2 Guns, 1 Caliber

Howdy!

With all the craziness, complications, and sheer unpredictability in today’s world, you have to wonder: why carry all that stress and extra…well, STUFF…along into the post SHTF world? Thoreau said to “Simplify, simplify” and there’s no better way to accomplish that by preparing for whatever apocalypse or natural disaster faces us than by not piling up extraneous clutter around us.

 

The firearms world landscape is littered with culch and debris. There are so many guns that do so many jobs with so many calibers with so many bullet types with so many accessories that it would probably drive you mad (some would argue it’s already gotten that far with me!). So therefore, it’s a great place to start simplifying. Looking over the scope of our bug-out or bug-in plans, figuring out where we will plan to be and what we can bring will help shape the type of firearm you look for.

 

One way that I think is a stellar way to simplify, is to have multiple guns in one caliber. This simplifies ammunition logistics in a huge way. I only need to keep stores of ammunition around for a few calibers, and if I ever need to bug out, I don’t have to sit there making decisions, wondering, eenie- meenie-mienie-mo-ing. Grab a couple guns, the ammo boxes, and out the door we go! For someone like me who loads his own ammunition, it makes things even easier. One set of reloading dies all set up, one type of powder and primers, and a pre-selected load that my guns like. As an added bonus, if one gun breaks or goes down for whatever reason, you still have ammunition for another, and you’re not just left with a bunch of useless ammo that’s only good for trade stock.

 

Obviously, this limits our choices somewhat, but it’s not a bad limitation. There are many very versatile calibers out there that work very well out of both rifles and handguns. As a bonus, a handgun caliber out of a rifle gains a large amount of velocity, accuracy, and power out of the rifle’s longer barrel. For instance, I chronographed (measured the speed) of a pet .44 Magnum handload, one out of 4″ barreled S&W 629, and also out of a 16″ barreled Winchester 94 levergun. The handgun spat out 200-grain bullets at an average of 1265.2 feet per second (fps), while the exact same load out of the rifle produced 1821 fps. That almost 600 fps gain more than DOUBLES the amount of energy transferred by the bullet (711 foot-pounds for the handgun, vs. 1473 foot-lbs for the rifle)! That, my friends, is a huge difference and well worth your consideration. The added velocity also makes the trajectory curve flatter, allowing you to shoot longer distances with ease, and it will have more punch when it gets there. Winning!

 

So we’ve established that ballistically and logistically, it makes lots of sense. So what multi-gun/caliber combinations are out there?

 

Well, I live in very rural Maine, where close brush limits contact with critters to close ranges, and the action can be fast and furious, so I adore the quick-handling properties of lever-action guns and the simplicity and horsepower of revolvers. So, I tend to gravitate towards those, as they fit my personal needs well. My very favorite combination is a Marlin 1894 carbine in .357 Magnum paired with a Smith & Wesson Model 65.

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The .357 Magnum’s versatility is superb, with enough power to easily take down a deer or bear if I’m careful with bullet placement, and as the .357 was the gold standard for defensive calibers for years, I know it will do very nicely if I have to defend myself with it. When I head out in the woods, I keep the rifle’s ten-round magazine loaded with snarly fast-moving 158-grain Jacketed Hollow Point bullets in case I see a coyote or some other unsavory critter at a distance (100 yards shots are no prob with this rifle) and I keep low-power target-type .38 Specials in the revolver, in case a rabbit decides to jump in front of me…the low-powered, non-expanding bullet won’t ruin meat. I also have a similar combo in .44 Magnum, but if THSTF, it probably wouldn’t head out the door with me; this one would.

 

Okay, so you don’t want a levergun…you live in an urban area and you might encounter gangs. Why not an AR-15 in 9mm? Yep, they make them, and they are tremendously popular and reliable.

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Pair this with a quality 9mm handgun of your choice (Glock, SIG-Sauer, S&W, etc) and you are good to go!

 

Bolt guns preferred? No problem! How about a Ruger .357/77? A bolt-action, detachable .357 Magnum bolt gun with a detachable mag.

 

Oh yeah, they make ‘em in .44 Magnum too. And .22 Long rifle. And .22 Magnum.

 

Point is, there are many options out there, so if you do a little digging with the objective being to simplify, you’ll be in good shape in many ways if you consider and implement the multi-gun/one caliber option!

 

Any others I missed? Let me know what you think!

 

Stay safe!

-TRW

trwshtf@gmail.com

 

 

  • j.r. guerra in s. tx. April 18, 2013, 6:43 am

    Makes a lot of sense to me, a lot of good advice offered. Thanks for writing this. For me, the .22lr makes a great ‘got to have’ firearm in your possession. A lot of ammunition can (or could) be gathered that do not take a lot of space or weigh a lot (ask a person moving a 1000 case of 7.62NATO, vs. two bricks of .22lr.).

    Rimfire is probably THE universal round the world around. If a single firearm is in a home, the odds are it will be a .22lr.

    .357 rifles and handguns are a very versatile setup for the reasons you mention. A Lee Loader box set is very compact, about the size of a box of cake mix. Scrounge up some brass and lead and a couple of good cavity bullet dies along with powder and PRIMERS (very important that last).

    Again, good article.

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  • Ron April 18, 2013, 8:24 am

    Good article. Here’s some other combos’ s, strictly off the top of my head.

    Marlin Camp 9 (Now out of production but available used) and any 9mm pistol; but Camp 9 does use S&W ‘double stack’ 9 MM mags. The Camp 45 uses 1911 Mags.

    Ruger PC 9/ PC 40, alas, out of production, which uses Ruger double stack 9 or 40 mags as appropriate.

    Keltec Sub 2000, available in 9, or 40; depending on the exact model and caliber uses either Glock or S&W or Beretta or Sig mags

    Beretta CX4 Storm, available in 9, 40, or 45; uses mags from appropriate Beretta handgun (i.e, one version of 9 mm uses mags from Beretta 92 system). Not a cheap gun, but I’ve seen them on sale and they are currently produced.

    And, of course, an oldie, M1 Carbine and a Ruger Blackhawk in .30 carbine, though I’m not sure how practical that is; but what the heck, if you got the Carbine, it isn’t going to hurt to have a revolver in the same round.

    Now, as to the utility of these things, I understand that a lot of people think they’re underpowered, particularly compared to ‘centerfire rifle’ calibers; but nothing is perfect; the Beretta is less than 6 lbs, it’s less than 30 inches long, and it’s good to maybe 100 yards. Much beyond that and you’re looking at drop off in terminal ballistics. But, they’re WAY easier to use than a handgun, have essentially no recoil, will put a lot of lead in the air PDQ, and while not having the stopping power of a .308, I don’t think too many people would laugh off being shot by one of these, either.

    OTOH, there’s something to be said for being able to grab a handgun, grab a carbine in the same caliber, that uses the same mags and be able to go, go, go, if need be.

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    • j.r. guerra in s. tx. April 18, 2013, 1:46 pm

      I have a .30 Carbine and had a Ruger Blackhawk in same – I sold the handgun. Recoil wasn’t bad and the 71/2″ barrel steadied very easily, but my gosh was it LOUD and when shot at night, flash could likely be seen on the moon. The report began giving me a flinch, which was why it was sold. But it was a sweet shooting gun otherwise, very flat trajectory.

      The M1 Carbine – nifty little gun, the empties are thrown right beside you rather than being ejected all over Creation like many autoloaders do. A 15 round magazine and buttstock cuff with 2-15 magazines gave you 45 rounds carried on the gun – not bad! The .30 carbine ‘banana’ clip – I didn’t have much luck with mine, maybe it was the cheap PMC surplus I was shooting in it. The straight 15s though run like a Swiss watch.

      Unfortunately, locating ammunition NOW is an expensive proposition. I wish the gun was chambered in that 7.62×25 Tokarov that sold for very little a few years back – that would have been awesome!

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      • Road Warrior April 21, 2013, 9:47 am

        J.R., another classic combo I missed. The M1 Carbine, wile a bit pokey in the power department, is still plenty powerful enough for most needs, especially if you handload soft-point ammo.

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    • Road Warrior April 21, 2013, 9:45 am

      Ron, good calls! I was going to bring up the Marlin Camp Carbine (my father has one in 9mm and loves the fact that he can keep a bunch of S&W 59-series mags around, as well as the corresponding pistol, and he’s good to go!) and the Ruger Deerslayer /Deerfield guns. I heard there may be a conversion kit in the works for the Ruger P9/P40 series of guns that may take Glock mags, but I haven’t seen one.

      A cool new gun that just came out is the JR carbine… anyone seriously considering this one caliber concept should check them out. Cool stuff. http://www.justrightcarbines.com/JR_Carbine_Products.html

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      • irishdutchuncle April 22, 2013, 6:02 pm

        very cool. I think I might like it better than the AR.

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  • Selkirk April 18, 2013, 8:24 am

    Your preferred combination makes the most sense, especially in your situation. The .357 is lever gun is going to put you in the neighborhood of a .223 in terms of energy. The trajectory is still going to lose to the actual rifle round, but who cares as long as you’re brush hunting?

    The trouble, even in that circumstance, is that a lot of people seem to think a .223 is under-powered for big game. That should rule out any handgun cartridge as a first choice, unless you’re just a wicked good shot and enjoy the challenge.The .44 mag. is the obvious exception in that it does get you into the neighborhood of .30/30 power. I’m not sure how handy that would be for rabbits.

    We’re talking about magnum revolver cartridges. The numbers get much worse as you go down the list. The 9mm carbine looks like fun, but even from the rifle barrel a 9mm Luger is not going to catch up with your .357 revolver with the 4″ barrel.

    Right tool for the right job, I guess.

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    • Ray April 18, 2013, 8:49 am

      I haul a Rossi 1892 and a Uberti SAA in .45 colt, The big selling point for me was that I can Re-load with any smokeless pistol powder or black powder OR BP sub. and still have a good hunting round. I use 255gr. cast lead SWC. Even with BP or pyrodex that gives me the same MV as a .45 ACP in my 5.5 inch SAA and around 1300 fps in my carbine. If I want to rifle hunt anything larger than whitetails I have any of three 30:06s . As for the .357 mag ,Its a great round(I own a Mod. 19 S&W) but you can’t reload with black powder and get any MV . If TSHTF I want to have weapons that I can keep in service for as long as I can get primers and powder, even if I have to reload with home made BP. The .45 colt(lc) gives me that in spades-the .357 mag don’t. Nether will the 9MM or .223 ,they are all so specialized as to make them useless once the modern factory grid is gone. Look to the current ammo panic, for a window into ammo availability once the supply net fails.

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      • Selkirk April 18, 2013, 9:14 am

        Yeah, that’s a good point on the .45 LC.

        I hadn’t really thought of that because don’t reload. It’s on my list of things to do when I move back out of the city.

        You knit your own black powder? I haven’t heard of anyone doing that, though one of the old guys at the range was speculating one day when he couldn’t find any ammunition within a 100 mile radius.

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        • Ray April 18, 2013, 9:45 am

          Selkirk Anyone can make good quality black powder. All you need is Charcoal or coal, Sulfer and potassium nitrate. Nothing to buy, Nothing to trace. People been doing it for 800 years. You can even “corn” your powder to get a desired grain size. Lots of people make there own powder ,Its realy popular with the flintlock , & “living history” guys & gals. This is the kind of thing that makes the North Eastern Ant-Gun crowd wet there panties; Making powder from scratch is as easy as making cookies .

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          • Selkirk April 18, 2013, 9:55 am

            LMAO

            They’ll probably read this post and outlaw corn.

            Then they’ll figure out in 15 years or so that they meant to outlaw charcoal.

            Stay out of the Northeast Corridor.

    • Ron April 18, 2013, 8:53 am

      I’m not disagreeing with you; 9mm/40/45 certainly aren’t in the same class as .44 mag or even .357 out of a lever gun; the problem is if you want Semiauto rifle/carbine in a pistol caliber, you’re extremely limited outside the standard semi auto calibers. Off the top of my head, about the only semi auto .44 I can think of is Ruger; either the original tube fed version or the later rotary fed model 99/44 Deerfield. .44 mag out of carbine may be sufficient. It also depends on what you’re shooting; if I were in part of the country where Whitetails grew to more than a couple of hundred pounds, that’d be one thing; but I’m in Florida and adult males run in the area of 125 lbs or so. They’re smaller than what you get up north and .44 mag should be sufficient. Also, FWIW, I knew a guy back in college who used to hunt feral hogs in Florida; wisely, or not, he used 9 mm carbine and at least he thought it was sufficient for the job.

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      • Selkirk April 18, 2013, 9:27 am

        Yeah, it’s not so much a question of killing something as killing it in time.

        It’s not like a hog is going to stroll down to the veterinarian’s office if you shoot it with a .22 LR and be fine, but it it dies 5 miles away and a day later that does nobody any good. Not to mention that it might run in the other direction.

        Was he one of those guys who gets some dogs to grab the hog by the ears and hold it still so he can shoot it point blank? In that case, pretty much any rimfire would do.

        I didn’t know there were any semi-autos that fed magnum revolver rounds.

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        • Ron April 18, 2013, 9:34 am

          Nah, my understanding at least, and we’re talking 20 years ago, he simply used hollowpoint 9mm and went for head/neck shot; hog bled out PDQ from what he said.

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          • Selkirk April 18, 2013, 10:01 am

            Unfortunately, I know jack about hog hunting. I’d heard that penetration was an issue.

            Placement though.

            The ferals only just recently turned up in New York. I guess you can take them any time, in any numbers now with a small game license.

        • AZ Dave April 18, 2013, 4:10 pm

          The Desert Eagle and AMT both have 357 and 44 mag semi autos. Very heavy and well made but you might as well be hauling a carbine.

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    • Road Warrior April 21, 2013, 9:52 am

      Selkirk, I know a couple people who hunt deer with the .223 (I personally don’t, but it’s only because I don’t have to. If it was the only gun I had, I’d be OK with it if I could be picky on my shots.) and they have good luck because they take the time to put the bullet where it needs to be, i.e. head shots. I would actually prefer to hunt deer with a .357 Magnum, due to the fact that the heavier construction and better sectional density of a 158-grain .357 bullet will penetrate through bone, and get to the vitals. I believe that a 147-grain 9mm HP would do the job out of a carbine, as well, as long as it’s under 75 yards or so and the bullet goes in the boiler room.

      It’s the indian, not the arrow.

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  • SD3 April 18, 2013, 8:27 am

    Just bought a used H&R single-shot 12ga Pardner. Plan to marry it with “X Caliber” chamber inserts for 20ga, .410ga, .357/.38 & 22lr.

    Should be a good, all-around back-up option.

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  • Selkirk April 18, 2013, 8:27 am

    Oh, I read the title of this post before my coffee was ready and thought it was going to be about that Savage 24 combination gun.

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    • j.r. guerra in s. tx. April 18, 2013, 1:49 pm

      One of my favorites. For bringing home ‘something – I don’t care what it is, as long as it bleeds!’, combination guns have a lot to recommend them. Savage sells (0r sold) the updated design, model 42. Maybe worth checking out, but it does look a little strange to most people.

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      • Selkirk April 18, 2013, 1:52 pm

        Yeah, I’ve seen the new one. Part of me says it’s genius, and the other part says it’s too clever by half.

        Do you have trouble sighting in both barrels at the same time because of the orientation?

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        • j.r. guerra in s. tx. April 19, 2013, 2:04 pm

          I only sight in the rifled barrel, the shotgun is used with shot loads only. At short range (<20 yards), the shot is pretty much patterned around the rifled barrel.

          That is an interesting thought – you could sight in the shotgun barrel for slug loads as well and forget the rifle barrel above. I'm dumb – that never crossed my mind before.

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  • Patrick April 18, 2013, 8:37 am

    Great topic! I’m always curious what the rest of the community thinks about this idea. I did a couple of blog posts on this very topic last year. Here were a couple of the pairings I put out for consideration:

    * .22 LR – Walther P22 and Ruger 10/22

    * 9mm or .40-cal – CZ-75 and Kel-Tec Sub-2000 (the Glock fans could substitute a Glock for the CZ since the Sub2K accepts either magazine) and either pair use the same magazines (serious bonus).

    * .410 – Taurus Judge 3″ Magnum and Saiga .410 shotgun, though I am now looking at the Rossi carbine revolvers in .410.

    Being Prepared,

    -patrick

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    • Anonymous April 18, 2013, 12:58 pm

      I have the P22. Nice gun only shoots the more expensive ammo with any reliability. Go with the Ruger SR22. It is designed to shoot the cheap bulk stuff

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      • Patrick April 19, 2013, 9:00 am

        I have about 5k rounds through my P22 of all cheap ammo, as I never buy expensive ammo for the range. I’ve had no problems with it shooting anything. Maybe it’s an issue specific to your P22?

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        • Road Warrior April 21, 2013, 9:54 am

          .22s are notoriously ammo-sensitive, and it varies from gun to gun. I always find a good high velocity brand that shoots well through my .22, then lay in a lot of it.

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          • AmericanExces April 22, 2013, 12:16 am

            I hate to be the new guy who runs his mouth about why his opinion matters so much, but I can’t help mentioning that one of my favorite pairings is a Ruger 10/22 and a Ruger MkIII. The MkIII is less expensive than either the P22 or the SR22; the controls are better than the older MkII, and I can probably count on one hand the number of malfunctions it’s had not related to a bad round.

          • irishdutchuncle April 22, 2013, 8:12 pm

            American Exces:
            the 10/22 is a sweet rifle. (I’ve never shot a MkIII)
            here in PA, for example, you can’t hunt with a semi-auto.
            while the “rule of law” remains, in many jurisdictions your 10/22 and semi-auto .22 pistol are only good as target shooters/plinkers. (just sayin)

  • Roseman April 18, 2013, 9:39 am

    Good column and sound advise. I know several people that have almost as many different calibers as they have guns. It’s crazy in my opinion.

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    • Selkirk April 18, 2013, 9:52 am

      Depends on your goals.

      I’m pretty much one of those people, because I wanted to be able to compare different rounds from first hand experience. It’s fun to try different stuff.

      Practically speaking, sure. Simpler is better.

      The up-side is that you can find all kinds of .204 Ruger at the moment, while all the common calibers have been out of stock for months.

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      • Roseman April 18, 2013, 1:11 pm

        Point taken, and in no way was I inferring what you are doing is crazy. I meant it would be crazy for me to do it at this time in my life(old age).
        It’s actually the liberals who think that people with many guns and calibers are the crazy.

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        • Selkirk April 18, 2013, 1:56 pm

          Oh, I didn’t think you were.

          Just saying it depends what people are up to. I do like the revolver/lever gun brush hunting setup. There’s a convergence of utility and aesthetics in that set. I get it, for sure.

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  • Charles,,,, April 18, 2013, 10:23 am

    Hawg’s, a worthy game animal, we have more then enough here in the south, some guys pride themselves in finding “other” calibers impeded in their hog, 30 cal is most spoke of so it may lack penetrating power…. as in day’s of old, modified weapon’s will abound, your knife too short, attach it to a pole and make a spear,,, your gun too long, buy a shorter one, ahem!!!! Get to know a good machinest would be my suggestion for the day, prefferably one who also reloads and does some gun smithing on the side, worth his weight in gold, even now. OMO, one man’s opinion.

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    • Selkirk April 18, 2013, 11:18 am

      .30 cal is a big world.

      Are we talking .30 carbine or .300 win mag? One’s almost a handgun round, and the other will disintegrate a cinder block. Both are .30 caliber.

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      • Ray April 18, 2013, 12:28 pm

        I have killed hogs with one shot from a .45 muzzle loader(head shot from 6ft.)(#2 heart shot from 50ft) I have seen hogs take 7 shots from a .270 and run for 200 yards. Hogs are one of the strongest and most dangerous thing you can hunt, but Some guys hunt ‘em with Bowie knifes & boar spears. I think it has more to do with the man than it dose with the weapon.

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        • Jason April 18, 2013, 1:57 pm

          I met a former Vietnam era Navy Seal in Kauai who hunted hogs with a knife – tons of hogs on Kauai. He told me it was pretty easy because he had his dogs pin the hog and he came in to finish the job. He said most people believe he just goes out in full cammo, face paint with the Rambo knife clenched in his teeth. He laughed and said: “I may be crazy but I ain’t stupid!”

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  • Jason April 18, 2013, 12:06 pm

    That AR15 looks funny with that 9mm clip – haha, magazine.

    Now that the Senate has shot down (pun intended) the assault weapons bill, the Führer and Chief – Obama & the rest of the SS jackbooted henchmen including Col. Feinstein (she is as much of a woman as a “female” Russian weight lifter) will probably try to circumvent the Constitution and the law. I hope he tries so he can get impeached.

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    • Road Warrior April 21, 2013, 9:56 am

      Jason, did you see the frown and facepalm Joe “Himmler” Biden melodramatically played while Obama was scolding the nation for not following his plans? I’ve never been so delighted with someone’s failure in my whole life.

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  • Charles,,,, April 18, 2013, 12:24 pm

    Ahhh, clarity, the M1 carbine 30 caliber, and I now learned that a 300 win mag is in the 30 cal family…..Must be alot of Korean war vets in this area I’m in, it seems ever other shooter has one, or two, small, light weight, one could think it into a smaller version I suspect, pistol grip and all.

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    • j.r. guerra in s. tx. April 18, 2013, 1:51 pm

      They did make a pistol version of carbine called the Enforcer, but it was made by Universal, not a true military pattern firearm.

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    • irishdutchuncle April 22, 2013, 8:26 pm

      there was also a “paratrooper” model, with a folding stock.

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    • irishdutchuncle April 22, 2013, 8:34 pm

      … also they were dirt cheap back in the day.

      back in 1999, I was looking for one because I couldn’t afford a mini-14. (but by then they weren’t cheap anymore)

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  • Lumberjok April 18, 2013, 1:07 pm

    Essentials for the well prepped prepper:

    Ruger 10/22 + Smith and Wesson 22A ( 7 inch barrel ) + Mossberg 500 + DPMS .223 ( any model )

    Only 2 of the above share a common caliber….however they all serve a specific purpose.

    ” The only reason to own a pistol is to fight your back to your rifle “

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    • Lumberjok April 18, 2013, 1:12 pm

      Oops….fight your way back.

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  • T.R. April 18, 2013, 4:39 pm

    I do that with handguns , but rifles are not that simple .

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  • Steve April 18, 2013, 5:42 pm

    I’m fairly new to firearms. I got the Hi-point 40 pistol & carbine. They use the same mags and the cost of both of the is less than most pistols and rifles each. I don’t regret getting it in the 40 s&w cartridge. It has a lot more power and availability than the 9mm.

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    • Road Warrior April 21, 2013, 9:59 am

      Hey Steve, not to dismay you, but Hi-Point doesn’t have the most stellar reputation. It’s pretty hit-or-miss. I would definitely shoot them frequently, and make sure they are 100% reliable if you’re betting your life on them. Just my $.02…

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  • Ken April 18, 2013, 11:44 pm

    I have been carrying a savage model 24v in 30/30 over 20 gauge since the late 1980s here in central maine. Pahtrige season and rabbit season over lap with deer season, two years ago i shot two birds and a six point buck same gun same afternoon. Red dot makes aiming quite easy.

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  • eieio April 20, 2013, 2:51 am

    I do .22lr in Ruger semi auto pistol and Ruger 10/22 carbine with standard velocity 1080 feet per second ammo. Very acceptable noise levels out of both pistol and carbine. No sonic crack.

    Then, 9mm Glock G34 and AR platform in 9mm. My AR-9 looks very much like the photo in this article (Rock on brother!). I reload for these firearms so I can control the speed of the projectile. I shoot mostly 147 grain boolits. 900 fps from the pistol. 1050 fps from the carbine. Same boolit and charge. They are easy and fun guns to shoot and I use them to teach folks how to shoot and be safe with firearms. They are less intimidating than higher pressure rifle or pistol rounds.

    If my objective was to move and be able to discretely fire rounds, these are the calibers and firearms I would take. As home defense guns, the 10/22 with 25 round magazines and the 9mm firearms would not make me feel under gunned.

    I used to own the HiPoint 9mm carbine and it was accurate and just kept working. The only drawback was the limitation of 10 rounds in the magazine.

    But having said that, I would love to have the Marlin in .357 lever action. Shoot 3, load 3. Simple breach locked battery of arms. Proven design. No magazine to lose. Effective old school CAR (cowboy assault rifle). Too bad Mossberg did not make their lever action assault .30-30 in .357. That is what I would want.
    eieio

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    • Ray April 20, 2013, 7:07 pm

      Eieio ,Get a Rossi(pre-puma) .357 mag. 1892. No BS top safety , accurate and strong as hell. I think mine (in .45 long colt) is as good as any marlin or Winchester ever made. Mine was made before 1980 and in 100% condition. I think its the best saddle carbine I have ever owned. I like it better than my pre-64 Mod. 94 in 30-30.

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      • eieio April 21, 2013, 6:47 am

        Ray,
        Thanks for the info. I believe a Rossi ejects from the top. That has some advantages, but the one thing that I like about the Marlin is that the side ejection allows a red dot sight to be placed on the receiver. Read about poor manufacturing when ownership changed at Marlin, though.
        eieio

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        • Road Warrior April 21, 2013, 10:02 am

          There is also the Winchester 94AE (Angle Eject) series of guns that shouldn’t be overlooked. I personally like the Marlin better, as it is a tad sturdier and seems to me like it would hold up better in a SHTF scenario. I don’t put optics on my leverguns (yet, still got young eyes) but the Marlin wins hands-down if that’s your cup of tea, though the Winchester 94 AE can easily be set up for optics.

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          • Ray April 21, 2013, 7:52 pm

            Yeh I don’t tend to think about optics, cause I don’t use em’. But you are right ,no way you could mount a scope on a ’92 -it’s a top eject. I don’t worry about scopes ’cause the .45LC SC has a 125 yard max range. That and I mostly hunt in eastern Kentucky ,that’s brush country or small fields. If I want anything more than 100 yards I take my ’03. I love that 03 but the 30:06 tears hell outta the meat .

      • Jeepboy1991 April 22, 2013, 4:41 pm

        Put a dab of blue loc-tite on that (deleted by censor) top mounted safety and you can forget about it. I did that to my Rossi 3 years ago.

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