A Desperate Migration Pt. II

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Well a short 4 months ago I wrote a post on Human Migration.  As I am sure most of you are aware,  a child migration is under way.  This is not new to humanity, but it sure is causing a stir here in our country.  The big issue in the first post was, ‘How would we react?’  It would appear that we don’t know what to do.

The two camps are actually in somewhat of an agreement:  we can’t take them.  Or maybe the term should be we won’t take them.  The reality on the ground is that we have been taking them, begrudgingly, for years.  Yes, Obama has stepped up deportations, if you believe government reports, but the tide continues.  I do not know the exact numbers, no one does,  everything we hear are estimates that special interest groups want us to hear.  It is in the millions, that can be agreed upon by all.

Look at how Africa or The Middle Beast deals with such human tragedy,  it is ugly.  Filth, dehydration, starvation, degradation, isolation, you have seen the images of refugee camps, let them burn into your mind.  Those places have one thing in common, not enough resources to really help those who need it.  So the question begs to be asked, ‘How will we deal with it?’  Will we just kick the can down the road or will we step up to show the world that American exceptionalism is still alive and well.

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Let me take a step back right now and explain myself.  I believe we are the best Country on the planet, bar none, since countries were formed.  Our founders wrote the best documents possible to set up the best government possible.  Like it or not, governments are a necessary evil to keep the peace, more on that in a future post.  My biggest concerns are what country my family will inherit and will I still be around to help them, I bet every parent feels the same.  I recommend that all of you re-read the Declaration and Constitution, along with books written by our founders to understand how fortunate we are to have a system that affords us to think about how to ‘right the ship’.  Never forget.

Back to our current situation,  children fleeing a miserable existence.  The stories are sad, horrific, and depressing on a level that few of us can imagine.  I have heard some stories that make me turn the station in a moment of weakness.  I have my own problems.  Hell, kids in Detroit, Stockton, Chicago, your hometown have crap lives.  We can’t fix our own problems much less fix other nation’s issues.  Our nation is on the brink of civil unrest, financial collapse, and the world still relies on us for its freedom.  They won’t admit it, but we know.  If not for our military presence then who would stop the fundamentalist/communist/control freaks out there?   The answer is simple, no one.  Back to our issue,  what do we do with these kids.

One, send them back to their hellholes and tell ourselves that it is for the best, because we can’t afford to feed, house, and educate them.  Probably a valid point.  Two, we feed, house, and educate them, then send them back to fix their country.  I have yet to hear that one from either side.  Three, we let them stay permanently with all that entails.  Four, we help fix their countries now so they can go back.  There are a few permutations of these ideas, but the jist is we have to deal with it and look at ourselves in the mirror.  Nation building is not easy or really economically feasible, and it isn’t our job as a country.  Idea one is not without cost, both financially and morally, plus it won’t stop the problem.  Number two has merit because it helps those who need it and allows them to change their country’s destiny,  in time and assuming that they would want to go back. Three opens the floodgates.  Fourth is a deep hole of commitment that I don’t have the stomach for, but it does relate to number two.  This subject makes my stomach churn and gives me a headache.

How did it get so bad down there?  Lack of jobs, gang violence, drug trafficking, and corruption at the highest levels.  Many of our Central American neighbors point the finger at our appetite for drugs,  another valid point.  Our war on drugs is a miserable failure and has done nothing to stem the tide.  The border is as porous as ever.  All those drugs flow through the Central American corridor, bringing all the problems with them.  Some vacation destination countries turn a blind eye to the traffic, in exchange for….  Where you have poverty, you have desperation.  People willing to do anything to survive and after awhile the line between right and wrong is blurred or vanishes altogether.  Gangs rise up.  The parents of these kids are dead, disillusioned, or incapable of providing the most basic of needs, so they send them to the promised land.

None of this is new to the human condition.  It would be easy blame the population explosion, it is at the top of my list for most current problems, but a closer look at history shows that we are willing to maim or kill just to be on top of the heap even if we have all that we need.  So how can we possibly solve this situation that demands compassion above all when we can’t seem to pull together ourselves to solve America’s issues?  Does America still have a heart that goes beyond our front door?  These questions strike at the core of the prepper debate concerning to go it alone or form a community to survive calamities.

Lastly, one of those kids we save might come up with a cure for cancer,  solve cold fusion, or develop warp drive.  Maybe they will just become solid, caring, hard working Americans.  We could use more of those types.  I struggle with my own thoughts that tell me more people here is a bad thing.  I also struggle with the thought of an innocent kid being sent back to hell because I didn’t want to share some space.  I hear there are whole vacant neighborhoods in Detroit.

-Pineslayer

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  • Janet July 15, 2014, 8:54 am

    “Our nation is on the brink of civil unrest, financial collapse …”

    Are your neighbors revolting? Anyone in your town?

    Does it make any sense to say “we are the best Country on the planet” as we face “financial collapse” when countries with far smaller and weaker economies do not appear to be in such danger?

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    • irishdutchuncle July 15, 2014, 10:06 am

      yer darn right, my neighbors are revolting.

      (also, see: Cloward Piven strategy)

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      • Steve suffering in nj July 15, 2014, 8:16 pm

        Irish

        You’ve got the cloward and piven right.

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    • irishdutchuncle July 16, 2014, 3:35 am

      …and as a matter of fact, this is the best country on the planet.
      (which tells you how bad humans really are)
      our own chickens have to come home to roost sometime, and we are not as blameless as we say. human Rights are just that. every person has the same Rights, as any American.

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    • Pineslayer July 17, 2014, 5:14 pm

      Well Janet I stand by my statements. the world is swimming in debt. You don’t have to spend much time researching to see that. All new money is created through loans, debt. As far as my neighbors revolting, nope, but we do have lots of conflict.

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  • Ray July 15, 2014, 9:13 am

    This is the problem with the “government”. “They” want you to believe that none of these problems are connected. Hears the scoop; The US Government is run by communists,perverts thieves and the assorted scum of the earth. It created both ALL of the problems in central and south America and the “border crisis”. The US Military is GONE. As in down sized to the point that it is now smaller than the force that stormed Normandy on D-day. The armed DHS is now TWICE the size of the active duty army and that weapon is aimed at US! NOT at Russia, China or the border. We now rely on propaganda and “majical pixi dust”(stealth) to try and make the world believe we are still “players”. But we cannot and will not control our own border. To whoever wrote this; The world ,and The America you THINK is still out there no longer exists. This “border crisis” is a symptom of the “great calamity ” that you have been “prepping” for. THAT is what the “government” is so afraid that we will finally grasp. What we are seeing is the START of that “golden hoard” of starving and dispossessed that y’all have feared so long, and the final act in the crash of the “global banking empire” that created “western civilization”. This is only the START of the “time of suffering” . I fear that five years from now we will look back at this as the “good old days” before the real nightmare started.

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    • Anonymous July 28, 2014, 12:40 am

      “Why” are you “putting” everything in “quotes” when you “want” to be taken “seriously”?

      Also:
      DHS employees = 240,000 (total, whether armed agents or not). Budget of $60 Billion.
      DoD employees = 3.25 million. Budget of $550 Billion. That’s just from Ye Olde Wikipedia, not official reports…’cause I’m lazy like that. Why do you blather about misinformation that can be fact-checked in seconds? I may be wrong, but I’ve always been under the impression this was a community for solid facts that beget informed decisions.

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      • TK July 28, 2014, 12:52 am

        Also, far less than 3 1/4 million troops stormed in on D-Day. That’s called a “fact”, I’m full of them if you’re interested in more.

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  • kevin July 15, 2014, 9:15 am

    as hard as this sounds we have enough problems with taking care of AMERICAN kids we cant take care of all of worlds kids it just isnt possible for one for another how many gang members have gotten in this way ? how many terrorists have gotten in this ? and for last how many have brought along various dieases along with em we need to start deporting people RIGHT NOW and not just 40 or 50 I mean 1000s RIGHT NOW

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    • Pineslayer July 17, 2014, 8:08 pm

      Kevin, I hear you. I had hoped to show that I am conflicted on what to do. We breed more gang bangers here than will cross our border, but we sure don’t need anymore. My generosity tends to lean towards kids and vets, no apologies, but it may be my weakness. If I lived on the border, I’m sure my attitude would be tainted. The stories that I read about border ranches makes me cringe.

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  • highdesertlivin July 15, 2014, 9:42 am

    Way to look at all the angles, and not just focus on us and them. Good piece, thanks.

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  • Bruce July 15, 2014, 10:17 am

    Many wealthy people/families are not opposed to helping or donating . Their issue is equality and the importance or appearance of not being equal, but being better. Allowing humans to flow into OUR country and then provide them a jump start to living, means those that need the appearance of wealth and success MAY have to work or work harder to keep the gap of equality. We feed more people at a major sporting event in one weekend than the total number of kids expected to migrate into the US 60,000. So how come this is SO hard to deal with? Its like we don’t want to grade success on the curve. If we all have the basics to live , house, car, cell phone, healthcare, job etc. Then how can I see myself better than you , if I don’t have a lot more than you. You gotta put em down, remain arrogant and never let them have the really good things…….Big Business and Politics.

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  • Roseman July 15, 2014, 11:09 am

    We cannot solve our immigration problems until our border is secure. Any politician who says otherwise is a liar plain and simple.

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    • ArmyVet July 15, 2014, 2:26 pm

      Our borders have NEVER been completely secure. I am astounded by the outcry, making the current administration the ‘evil one’ because our Southern border has not been secured.

      The simple fact is, our Southern border has NEVER been secured. Our Northern border is nearly impossible to find (many markers have disappeared, or have been covered with vegetation). The right-of-center in this country would have you believe the current administration is at fault: my question is why hasn’t previous administrations secured it before?

      Let’s face it folks, this is an especially difficult situation with which to deal. There is no good answer, no easy solution. There are many cries for immediate deportation, yet, we already know that deportation does not work long-term. The smuggle in, we deport, they smuggle in again. Mexico has, for the first time, an emerging middle class. that means conditions there are improving. Better conditions mean fewer of “them” sneaking into “our” country. It’s all about the American dream: those in our neighboring Americas all want the American dream of our America. That is how we slow, and eventually stop the illegal immigration problem. We help their economies grow as we help our own economy grow.

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      • Roseman July 15, 2014, 4:15 pm

        I am aware of the historical status of our southern border but my statement remains a fact.
        Mexico’s middle class has little to do with the situation as an increasing number of illegal immigrants have been coming from Central America where there is no middle class.

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      • Tank July 15, 2014, 8:00 pm

        How very left-of-center to blame previous administrations. It needs secured period lets just fix the damn problem instead of passing the buck

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      • Butch July 15, 2014, 8:44 pm

        Let’s just say it’s all our fault. Now can we secure the borders?

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      • Hildegard July 17, 2014, 5:15 am

        Deportation works. If they know they will get no goodies here, they will not come, and those already here will leave. They come because our criminal government has sent them an invitation by making it known they will never face deportation.

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      • Pineslayer July 17, 2014, 9:59 pm

        ArmyVet, you are spot on. The only way to secure our borders would be to recall our troops and station them along the line. Fences do not work, all they do is prevent migrating animals from thriving. The Libertarian Party just sent out a response to the problem, let them come, stop all welfare programs, let the strong and willing prosper. Hard to deny the logic, but think how many currently on food stamps and the like would be standing on street corners with cardboard signs. No matter what the solution, the transition will be ugly. We have painted ourselves into a corner and both ruling parties are to blame.

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  • sweetpea July 15, 2014, 1:07 pm

    What is the cost to American’s? Estimates are that illegals now cost American taxpayers $330 billion at the federal level alone. Most people in the middle class pay more in taxes then they have in after tax income. Imagine yur children who would like to go to college but can’t because we have allowed non-citizens to increase your taxes and take the open slots at the colleges. After all couldn’t one of our kids come up with a cure for cancer, solve cold fusion, or develop warp drive. But no worries it won’t happen because yur money will be spent on people who broke the law to get here and took from you what is yours. Next the government will try to convince you that the epidemics of whooping cough, TB and measles aren’t because they failed to secure our borders. What will you do if you or your loved ones get resistant TB? What will you do when your school system is overrun with people who don’t speak English, carry diseases and the schools MUST hire hispanic teachers to teach them and these hispanic teachers don’t like your kids? 3000 people a year are killed by illegals and hundreds of thousands of people are raped and sexually abused by illegals what will you say when one of your loved ones is a victim? One of my inlaws was a supervisor at a agriculturual business where they kept hiring more and more illegals until finally they fired him because he couldn’t speak Spanish. What will you do if you are fired because you are unable to speak Spanish to these new illegals?
    What would be the right thing to do? WHat would Jesus do? Imagine if your children were suddenly alone in some Central or South American country wouldn’t you be over joyed if the government there would quickly send them back home to you? That is exactly what we should do. Send them home as quickly as possible.

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  • j.r. guerra in s. tx. July 15, 2014, 2:01 pm

    I’ll bet Edward Abbey’s proposal would work. Return the illegal alien back to their country with a firearm, ammunition and allow them to fix their government to their liking. Maybe the foreign governments wouldn’t be so eager to send them here in the 1st place.

    Its a no- win solution. I don’t dispute that illegal aliens have a very hard life where they live. But I think our first responsibility is to take care of OUR needy, THEN the foreign borne. I see no reason why I would rather see the opposite.

    Now I hear that the U.N. wants to get involved – oy vey, that won’t be pretty at all.

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  • Pierce July 15, 2014, 7:22 pm

    I don’t have all the answers and never claim to. But I do have some experiences that have shaped my views. I had a buddy that came from China, great guy and loved our country more than most Americans, one year into his service in the army and he still didn’t have his citizenship because they wouldn’t grant it to him; now all these illegals get amnesty and eventual citizenship when they haven’t contributed anything and have no love for our country?
    My father served in Germany during the Cold War, and he saw the defenes that the East Germans set up to keep people in; I’m not saying that we become like East Germany, I’m saying it wouldn’t be as hard to set up and maintain border defenes that keep people out, especially if we bring our troops home.

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  • Steve suffering in nj July 15, 2014, 8:43 pm

    Send them all back. Lock down the damn border like it should have been for decades. Who exactly is coming across that border? How many terrorists have slipped by? You would think after 9.11 we would have circled the wagons. Nope, come on in guys. It’s beyond dangerous. There are plenty of people out there hell bent on killing as many Americans as they can. And our open border provides those people immediate access. NSA records out phone calls, internet traffic , financial transactions, emails, text message I’m sure I’m missing something. Police departments are collecting cell info via “stingray” and other devices. Our children are basically molested by the effing TSA because they might have a bomb. All this to keep us “safe” yet anyone who can make the trip can walk across the border!!!!! You need to record my phone calls yet the border is wide open? Really!! And all this is done under the guise of “our safety”. How can we be even remotely safe when we can not regulate who enters our country??!!

    Children are being used as political chess pieces. Do you really think it’s by coincidence that unaccompanied children are showing up? It’s by design. Who doesn’t want to take care of children after all? It’s a calculated political angle and these poor kids are being used. These immigrants are viewed as future democratic voters. That’s why there being allowed to come here in droves. This is a calculated man caused crisis where the means justify the ends.
    We need to take care of these children while there here. Give them medical attention if they need it. Feed them, care for them and put them on the fast track back to there family’s. It’s not the responsibility of the American taxpayer to care for South Americas children. It’s there parents responsibility.
    Until our border is secure we are by no means safe. It’s completely irresponsible and will only help encourage another god forbid large scale terrorist attack. Enough BS politics D vs R PUT AMERICA first. Care for these kids yes absolutely!! Feed cloth and provide medical attention yes beyond a shadow of a doubt!!! Then send them back to there families.

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  • Templar July 16, 2014, 7:47 am

    If we didn’t pay millions not to work, those now on the welfare rolls would be carrying the illegals back across the border on their backs. There’s always work to do, and someone’s got to do it. The kids are just a symptom of that basic problem.

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  • sirlancelot July 16, 2014, 8:07 am

    This latest batch of illegals is nothing more than big business trying to pump in more cheap labor.

    A few will end up cleaning toilets while the majority will become resentful and turn to crime.

    Their women and children will live on welfare while you and i will pay the bills, not big business.

    As a bonus this latest batch will vote democratic and keep the hellish cycle going

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  • Michael July 16, 2014, 10:18 am

    Borders have never been secure. Border regions have always had their own cultures that blend together cultures from both sides of the border they’re on. Take a look at any older map of the world and you’ll see what I mean, borders shift countries change names. Change is the only constant.

    As the climate in Central America heats up they won’t be able to grow as much food as they currently do and a lot more people will be headed north. As for what to do about it, I have no idea. But, I do know that until we understand that things change overtime and that you can’t stop things from changing we won’t find a workable solution to this or anything else.

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    • Bruce July 16, 2014, 12:58 pm

      Classic example of “who moved my cheese”

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      • Michael July 16, 2014, 4:47 pm

        Exactly.

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    • Hildegard July 17, 2014, 5:25 am

      More climate change horseshit. These are parasites. They come here to take from us. They see Gringos as someone to take from, nothing else. Wake up and smell the coffee. They have no interest in a “path to citizenship”.
      Our criminal government rolls out the red carpet. None of them will ever cure cancer, invent cold fusion, or any of those lofty goals. If they could do any of that, they would have in their own country. These mongrels still speak Spanish 500 years after the Spanish left the Americas.

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      • irishdutchuncle July 18, 2014, 12:12 am

        listen Hildy,
        the English language is no more native in this hemisphere,
        than is Spanish. the native tongue of half of my ancestors was nearly eradicated by the evil British occupiers. so unless you’re speaking Algonquin at home, I don’t want to hear about “English Only” anything for America. The Constitution, Declaration, Articles of Confederation, and the Laws are all written in it.
        that’s more than enough for me.

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        • Anonymous July 28, 2014, 12:45 am

          Nailed it.

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  • Mrs. B July 17, 2014, 7:11 pm

    Pineslayer, excellent article. It is warm and compassionate and tugs on my heart strings. I feel for those immigrants, I really do. Do I think they should stay? NOPE, Nada, no way, send them back where they came from. As another commenter already added, we are facing our own shit hit the fan moment here very soon. We have enough on the government roles without adding these.
    With regards to a college education: Paid for three of four of my own to attend the university of their choice as well as scrounged every conceivable grant I could find. I am not paying for anyone elses.
    Medical: Obama Care has been the biggest lie our governmanet has ever done to us. The thought of it being a “tax” and let the IRS manage this is cause for impeachment or revolution depending on whom you ask. These groups are bringing in diseases that are costing us millions to treat. Not to mention TB that is resistent to every known antibiotic out there. We have no duty to act and therefore we shouldn’t. We are not able to be a nation of come one, come all anymore. The VISA card is maxed out and soon we won’t be able to pay the interest. I feel bad for those kids, but they gotta go. I would be in favor of a military convoy shipping them back to the country of origin. What or where they end up is not my buisness.

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  • Pineslayer July 18, 2014, 11:18 pm

    I have been reading other blogs on this subject and the majority seem to say send them back, help ourselves first. It is hard to take, but harder to disagree with. If that is the plan, does that mean we turn our backs on our neighbors, but continue to stick our noses into world affairs further away? I guess it always comes down to where will we draw the line. We can’t fix everything, Capt. Obvious here, so why do we give a shit about the Middle Beast where war is the national past time? Oil? Really that is all they have to offer at this point. If the Republican party really want to call themselves conservative, root word conserve, then they should call for American’s to buy less gas, drive slower, spend less, save more. That does not support their current ideals. Now the Democrats, what can I say, their plan calls for “growing” our way to prosperity. That means spend and tax ourselves into oblivion. Gee thanks.

    November elections are coming up soon, it should be an exciting time. I am guessing most of us will go to the polls, hold our nose and hope for the best. Not what our founders had envisioned for the Republic I bet.

    I have no answers, just rage against the machine. My rage and despair goes beyond my life, it is fixated on my kids future. We must come together and shed the chains of the current ruling parties or all we fear will be visited upon us, because we could not find common ground. Sometimes baby steps are better than no steps at all. Thanks for every ones comments.

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  • irishdutchuncle July 19, 2014, 2:35 pm

    “conservatives” are a British political party. Liberal wasn’t always a dirty word, until the Radical Liberals gave us abortion on demand, and legalized sodomy. Liberty is good, but libertarians don’t have all the answers either. Justice can never be based on democracy, only on Truth. (we will never completely achieve it on Earth)

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    • TK July 28, 2014, 12:48 am

      Whaaaaat? Radical liberals created the Log Cabin Republicans…?

      I’m a Constitutionalist, not a Republican or Democrat and last time I checked “We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal”. That’s good enough for me to vote for.

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      • irishdutchuncle July 29, 2014, 11:08 pm

        those crazy founding fathers…
        they loved making bold proclamations they didn’t think through, or completely believe. (see also Amendment I)

        the Constitution, and the Republic it defined were great, no dispute on that from me, but they did not survive the War Between the States. so long as you are not practicing constitution idolatry, I have no quarrel with you. if not for Lincoln, and the Union Army, we’d all be speaking English now…

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        • irishdutchuncle July 30, 2014, 12:08 am

          … and many of them were also admirers of Cromwell.
          (which is a curse word in Ireland)

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  • Roger July 21, 2014, 12:32 am

    Into the fire! It is my understanding that nations/countries that have the strictest immigration laws (and enforce them) are usually the most stable ones as well. We, as a country don’t need illegal migratory workers from the south (or elsewhere), we have more than enough of our own ‘citizens’ who live on the government dole to do those jobs! Yes, build that fence (with U.S. citizens labor only), then move northward 100 yards and build a thick high wall to STOP all trespassers. Making that 100 yard stretch a free-fire zone will stop them in their tracks and send them packing. Can tunnels be dug under that zone, sure, but they can be filled with vehicle-exhaust gas pretty quickly, too! Inhumane, perhaps, but they chose to have children they couldn’t support, and they choose to flaunt their disregard for the laws of our land; would they allow that of us in their countries, I think not! No amnesty for the illegals (of all other nationalities) currently in this country, the statue of limitations doesn’t apply! Finally, bring our military back home, start pretending that America can or even has the right to tell other countries what to do! We can’t afford it and they don’t want it either! Tax the rich, the world doesn’t need billionaires, feed the poor, but don’t just give it to them, make them work for it; something worked for always has more value than something given for free! When we have no super-rich and no desperate poor, then our country can begin to stabilize. Our ‘forefathers’, the signers of the Constitution were mostly wealthy land owners, they acquired that wealth by stealing from and exploiting the natives and the european debt slaves as well as raping the land! America was built on these principles, and if we, the people don’t act quickly, decisively, than soon a new Constitution will be written, probably in Spanish! Good Luck!

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  • Ned Ludd July 23, 2014, 4:02 pm

    If you have read “Confessions of an Economic Hitman” or any related information you realize that it is the corporotacarcy that created the problems in most of the countries with economic refugees. The usury of the US military to secure favorable business dealings (War is a Racket by Smedley Butler) has overthrown any government which will not align itself with US business interests. As long as business is good we support military juntas, communists, religious zealots, etc…

    When we wrestle OUR country away from corporate economic interests and help democratically elected leaders in other countries to provide for their own citizens the refugees will leave the US on their own and return home to family. In the mean time do we send these children home to become the next generation of drug runner or terrorist since that is the only way left to provide an income or do we educate them so they can become productive world citizens?

    On a last note: where’s the money for this? Stop providing “aid” to Israel, they don’t need it. There’s $3.5 billion for the problem!

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  • irishdutchuncle July 31, 2014, 3:25 am

    it seems like if FEMA camps didn’t exist, we will have to build them now. (minus the crematories)

    “camp” can be made a positive experience for children.
    (if PC child molesters weren’t everywhere)

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