Are Americans A Bunch Of Wimps Today?

 

I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on
the frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless
beyond words.

When I was a boy, we were taught to be discrete and respectful of
elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise and impatient of
restraint.
— Hesiod, Eighth Century B.C.

It’s nice to know that I’m not the only one that’s occasionally looked at the younger generation and despaired.  Misery loves company after all, and even if the author of the above quote lived over two thousand years ago it’s good to know that I have something in common with our ancient ancestors.

Not too long ago I was looking through some old posts on SHTFblog and a young man had left a link on the site to a Youtube video about a guy talking about the… er, wimpification (allow me the word please) of America today.  I won’t quote the real phrase here because we try to be PG 13, but here’s the dude’s video.  His name is Nutnfancy and he has a lot to say on this subject.  It’s a long video, so be prepared if you decide to watch it all the way through.

I’m not saying I agree with everything he says; however, I do agree with the flavor of his message, which is, “Most Americans today are a bunch of… wimps.”

But Is It Just Young People?

But when I look at the quote from Hesiod above I look back to my own youthful situation and remember my father shaking his head in disgust over some whining I was doing while working on the wood pile.  My dad is a nice guy, but when it came to getting work done he wouldn’t allow us to shirk our duty.  I can remember helping him in all weather conditions:   rain, snow, sunshine, it didn’t matter, we were expected to go with him and bring home some firewood.

I’d have an eight foot log on my shoulder, carrying it from where he cut it to the truck, and I’d say, “Dad!  It hurts!”

His reply?  “That’s ok, son.  It’ll make a man out of ya.”

And you know what?  It did.

By the time I went to boot camp down in Parris Island, South Carolina I was used to hard work and that helped me a lot when it came to bearing up under the constant mental and physical strain of recruit training.  I can remember guys my age – 18 or 19 – crying while the DI’s yelled at them, or buckling under the physical training we had to do.  God forbid you were a porkchop, which meant you were overweight and had to go to the Physical Conditioning Platoon (PCP or Pork Chop Platoon.)

I learned to accept responsibility for my actions in basic training.  They taught me how to act like a man, but thanks to my parents they had a good foundation to work with.

When we look at our youth today we can’t blame them if we find them lacking.  Their failing is a reflection on our teaching.

But before I get all the young people out there made at me I will say that not all of them are a bunch of wimps.  Yeah, they may rely on technology more than I did at that age, but what generation hasn’t?  If the technology is there why not use it and damn to those old fogies who don’t understand it.

It’s All The Demographics 

If the TS ever does HTF there are people of all age groups who won’t make it due to their lack of knowledge and self sufficiency skills here in this country of ours.  This is not a derogatory statement, it’s merely an observation I’ve made over time.  Drive down to the local mall/shopping area and look around.  Imagine if an asteroid struck good old Planet Earth (or whatever disaster you can dream up) somewhere close by and knocked out power to everything in your area for 300 miles.  Walk into the middle of the crowd and look at the people surrounding you and estimate how many could get home without their vehicles.  How many of them are so dependent on the grid and social services that they would simply freeze when their cars won’t start or their phones won’t work and wait for help that may never come?

I started this out by bagging on the young people when I should have been slamming the whole country.  Old and young, rich and poor, thick or thin, whatever, the majority of Americans are wimps.

Am I wrong?  Am I way off base?  Do you agree or disagree that today’s society is so sissified that most would crumble during a long term emergency where they had to rely on their own wits and skills to survive?

Sound off in the comments.

-Jarhead Survivor

BTW:

 

I’d like to say happy birthday to the United States Marine Corps! From November 10, 1775 to the present Marines have been laying it down for the country.  Oooh-freakin’-Rah!

 

 

 

54 comments… add one

  • Todd November 11, 2011, 7:24 am

    I agree with your statement, “Their failing is a reflection on our teaching.”

    I also agree that it’s not just the youth. This country has forgotten was it means to take personal responsibility for our lives, actions, words, etc…

    I’ve featured your article on my site.

    Todd
    http://www.prepperwebsite.com

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  • JohnDoe1999 November 11, 2011, 7:58 am

    I think I’m the one who left the link to Nutnfancy’s “de-wimpification” video. I agree that most Americans are soft, but my generation is something special. I consider myself divorced from it.

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    • JohnDoe1999 November 11, 2011, 8:02 am

      Before I forget: Thank you for your service JS.

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  • Red November 11, 2011, 7:59 am

    Common sense is what I see lacking many times, in young and older adults. No consideration given to their actions beforehand, or the
    possible consequences.

    I don’t see many people ‘freezing’ for more than a few seconds in an emergency, before deciding to do something stupid.

    Happy Veteran’s Day.

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  • SLHaynes November 11, 2011, 8:24 am

    I’m not advocating anything with this comment. Maybe the pot heads will be able to transfer their expertise of rolling a doubie into rolling newspaper for a fire log. Or maybe the pot growers will make good vegetable farmers. But most likely, they’ll just get high and forget about it.

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    • JohnDoe1999 November 11, 2011, 8:32 am

      Or just die. Hopefully.

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      • Tactical Daddy November 12, 2011, 6:01 am

        Most likely…

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  • irishdutchuncle November 11, 2011, 8:59 am

    you aren’t wrong.

    the country is being softened-up from the inside, because the enemy couldn’t defeat the country we were. there isn’t much that you can do about it except pray, and prepare. (and set the best example you can for your children)

    in addition to all the drug-abusers, alcoholics and pot-heads, i think they must be putting something in the water…

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    • irishdutchuncle November 11, 2011, 9:12 am

      … and another thing. you need to get the children interested in wholesome hobbies, instead of autoeroticism and video-games.

      (in the interest of full disclosure, i have held jobs in a couple of hobby shops)

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  • survivalsense November 11, 2011, 9:46 am

    I was honored to sit on an Eagle Scout Board of Review last night. The young man we interviewed was articulate, and had demonstrated tremendous leadership. There are a few organizations out there, like the Boy Scouts, that are still teaching values to a group of very un-wimpy young men.
    Support these groups wherever and whenever you find them.

    And thank you vets!!!!

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  • Templar November 11, 2011, 10:16 am

    I couldn’t agree more….. the entire country has become “wimpified”.
    When my wife & I traveled to Italy in December, we noticed that Americans were ridiculously easy to spot– they were the rotund, waddling blobs looking for a McDonald’s. I didn’t notice a single fat Italian. We have become our own worst enemy, always dependent on some arm of the gub’ment to take care of us. The disaffected youth are always going to be the most obvious sector (the off-kilter baseball caps, the mumbling “y’knows”, etc.) — but the zombie-like wanderings of a clueless populace are WAY more evident than they have been at any time in my life. Those of us who strive to keep our kids fit & aware will leave a generation ready to inherit….. what’s left. I didn’t have a TV in the house during the kids’ formative years– but they all had library cards. And I still don’t own a GPS. All the kids know how to use a map & compass, and how to navigate by dead reckoning. Here’s hoping…….
    And thank you to my fellow veterans.

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  • Brad in South FL November 11, 2011, 10:37 am

    First, I would like to say thank you to all that have served in out armed forces. Second, I would like to share a quick story. I work in law enforcement and the first time I went to court on a guy I had a tough fight with after he punched me in the face. The Prosecutor wanted to break down the felony charge of battery LEO to a misd. charge of battery. I disagreed, the prosecutor made the deal. The Judge asked me how I felt and since I was the victim and I wasn’t hurt did I feel it was ok. I responded that I would like to take the prosecutor outside and punch him in the face and see how he likes it and would he like to reduce the charge. Well I kinda got yelled at by my boss for that remark because the Judge called pissed off. The entire point of the story is that too many people don’t know what it is like to get punched in the face and how to respond besides crying. I thank the man above for the warrior breed we have serving in our military. I wish everyone knew how lucky we are to have them!!!!!

    Be Safe All

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    • Adam November 11, 2011, 5:18 pm

      At least assault on a LEO is a felony where you are. Here it’s only a Misdemeanor unless it involves a deadly weapon or inflicts serious injury.

      Yes, I’ve had ADW on a LEO (felony) get dismissed by the DA’s office “because she didn’t intend to cut the LEO.” She only intended to stab her husband, but we just got in the way.

      There are many times I’ve wanted to say the same thing in court, but have held my tongue. But I let the DA know in no uncertain terms that I disagree with their decisions when they make dumb deals or dismiss cases that shouldn’t be dismissed.

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  • Prepared N.D. November 11, 2011, 10:51 am

    I think the younger generation suffers the brunt of this because they were raised by a bunch of sissies. I believe technology has a lot to do with it. We’ve gone from what I would consider real labor and production to a system based more on intellectual labor. There are many other factors of course..

    I often wonder what my children and grand-children’s generations will look like. If we continue on our current path, they might actually end up being stronger than previous generations. They might be the next depression era generation that is carved from steel and serves as a model for future generations. After a few generations, they’ll decline again and the cycle will repeat itself.

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  • 357chaos November 11, 2011, 11:16 am

    Yes I think the whole country has gone soft. Political correctness, people being offended, not keeping score, 1/2 the country on food stamps, 1/2 on prescription drugs. It’s not just the young. Everyone has gotten soft. Few people have valuable or meaningful hobbies. I have friends that think sportscenter is a legit way to spend their evenings. Everyone has gotten really lazy and dependent on something. I blame the parents and grandparents as much as the kids. TV is not a babysitter.

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  • gat31 November 11, 2011, 11:36 am

    I think you’re right about it being the parents fault to some degree, but also the youth in general.
    As parents, we do our best to coddle our babies. How many times in the process of raising your kids did you say ” l want them to have a better life than l did”? I’m here to tell you they do. Our grandparents walked 10 miles up hill in the snow to school, our parents? Only 5. Me? 1 mile. My kids? Either l took them or they caught a bus outside the front door.
    Same with food. My grandparents ate what they could catch, raise or grow.
    My parents? They ate some garden items and occasional raised chickens and rabbits but mostly store bought.Me? All store bought.
    My kids? Store, drive thru, delivery, and microwaveable.
    I could go on, but you get the idea. Now it’s too late for me to go back to the grandparents and get that important knowledge of how to grow and raise my food. How to can and preserve food for winter, and how to cure common ailments the natural way. Those of you who still have this knowledge, grab a kid and make them learn it. It might sound silly now, but man it will help them so much very soon. Personally l’m doing everything l can to get this knowledge so l can teach my kids and grand kids. That is as soon as l can pry them away from the electronics and convince them that their skin will not burn off if they spend more than 10 minutes in the sunlight.
    Thank you to all the veterans out there. Good luck everyone.

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    • Joe November 16, 2011, 5:27 pm

      I think you’re right about it being the parents fault to some degree, but also the youth in general.

      I agree and in addition, I think peer pressure within our youth and our constantly changing society have a lot to do with our children today. My son (16) just got fired for texting on the job after a warning from his boss and from me. Lesson learned, hopefully, he won’t forget it.

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  • PrimalCane November 11, 2011, 11:43 am

    I think it is only fools who generalize generations, as a member of the sub 30 crowd who works in manufacturing I’d like to share a story. I was helping a buddy of mine work on his brakes the other day, since we both work closely with automotive suppliers and have aging vehicles that are paid off we wanted to get a little more in touch with the things that put food on our tables. Since neither one of us is a mechanic, nor did we have anyone to teach us the ways of vehicle repair growing up, but we are both fairly mechanical inclined we felt confident enough to take a shot at it. As everyone knows when you start in on a repair of unknown depth there will be problems. And most likely several trips to whatever store holds the key to your salvation. Thinking that this adventure would get us a punch on our man card (and thus make us vastly less wimpy) we dove right in.

    After half a day spent learning how not to bleed brakes, my friends father came over and dressed down my comrade for not taking his car into the shop, for foolishly wasting time when he could have been doing something else that his bachelors and masters degrees are more suited to. I suppose the moral of the story is don’t cast such a wide net when you’re labeling my generation. I know you left yourself a bit of an out stating that we are merely a reflection of our parents generation, but I would like to take it a step further and ask what kind of country has this noble and non-wimpy generation left me?

    ~Primal

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    • Joe November 13, 2011, 3:43 pm

      Hi Primal, Your story reminded me of a friend of mine. He needed something fixed in his house, I was showing him/helping him fix it. His reply was that he didn’t graduate college so he could do manual labor.

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  • Anonymous November 11, 2011, 1:07 pm

    as usual, gat31 is stuck in the filter void please check filter for my comment :)

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  • mountainspirit November 11, 2011, 1:11 pm

    First, thank you to all those who have served, God Bless you.

    Now onto the subject at hand. If SHTF I think the majority of those lacking in the ability to be self sufficient will survive. How, you might wonder. Easy. They will become leaches and lach on to those of us who are prepped and can survive. If someone can’t do for themselves they will take from others, either by force or by guilt. It’s like a built in natural instinct for humans.

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    • mountainspirit November 11, 2011, 1:14 pm

      Soft, yes. Helpless, no. Even a child can steal and beg.

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  • Calamity Jane November 11, 2011, 1:40 pm

    I have to agree with a previous commenter, it’s not so much a generational thing anymore. I watched Connecticut citizens go ape-shit last week when some cities hit a week without power after the (forecasted well in advance) snow storm. A WEEK. These people couldn’t believe they were being forced to live without the convenience of the grid. Temps were barely freezing at night, the snow was gone within a day or two, and there was plenty of burnable fuel on the ground, but they seemed incapable of dealing with the situation. Old, young, it didn’t matter.
    So, don’t complain about the ‘youngsters’ when the problem crosses all ages.

    Also, what’s with all the pothead hate? What did potheads ever do to y’all? Y’all do know that a LARGE majority of the populace has used/is using pot right? Lawyers, doctors, engineers, teachers, military, presidents, athletes, men and women. Is there some way in which consenting adults consuming a mildly intoxicating plant interferes with your daily life? Wishing them death and so on just seems a bit overboard.

    I know it’s easy to listen to the hate mongers, it’s easy to pick a group of the populace and point fingers, “They’re the source of our woes!” But really, it’s not true. It just serves to divide the populace and make them easy to control. Don’t fall into that trap people. Remember what we used to say in this country? “United we stand, divided we fall.” That doesn’t mean united but-only-with-people-of-the-same-socio-economic-background-and-political-opinion it means UNITED. Hating isn’t going to help anything or anyone.

    Just sayin.

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    • Michael November 11, 2011, 3:53 pm

      So, I’ve been doing a little poll in my head of everyone I know that smokes pot… And it seems to me that people that smoke pot are more likely to have a garden, fruit trees, cook from scratch, can some of their own food, and own a .30-30.

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      • Michael November 11, 2011, 4:30 pm

        One last note on the pot head theme. Jimi Hendrix served in the 101st Airborne and John Fogerty was a Marine and served in ‘Nam.

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        • Anonymous November 14, 2011, 5:05 pm

          Michael, many preppers, hikers, campers and prior military personal smoke weed and do so not to the extent of the pot head stigma but even some of the pot heads I do know seem to be ingenuitive by nature, mechanically inclined and have well managed gardens. Your view is different than most would see and I agree with you because I have seen the same.

          I had smoked a bit when I got out of the Marines due to a gun shot wound to the knee suffered while serving, it was infected from the hardware. Because I’m opiate resistant I smoked it and stopped after the knee surgery at the VA was done. I think the growers will thrive in a “teotwawki” environment as a pain killer/medicinal use.

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    • Jason November 12, 2011, 5:12 pm

      Smoking pot is a complete waste, in my very experienced point of view. There is nothing redeeming about it unless you like staring blankly into space while drooling. If it is a daily activity, you are wasting productive brain power, I guarantee it.

      If you want to get a real high, exercise regularly with some intensity or do physical things on the edge like rock climbing, mountain biking, surf large waves, run a marathon etc.

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  • Jarhead 03 November 11, 2011, 2:56 pm

    I’m on the fence about this one. When we say all this sounds like what each generation says about the next. The WW I generation said the same of what became “the greatest generation” they said the same with the slicksters joyriders and greasers who went to Korea and they said the same of the 60s generation that answered the call to Vietnam.

    I am 38 an even now hear from people older than me say I’ve probably never had a hard day in my life. I joined the Marines at 17, served in the Gulf and Somalia, taught at School of Infantry, attended multiple military advanced schools and courses that nearly broke me.

    My 17 year old nephew while loving his cell phone, video games and computer can make fire, effectively shoot trap and skeet better than I can, he can handle his own when training mixed martial arts etc. I see many good kids, maybe more than people here. While each generation gets softer, I know if needed the could and would handle it.

    I see more alcoholics and dead beat lazy people in their 30s to 50s while their kids take care of them. If you look at the young men and women answering the call joining the military for honor or for college tuition while people in their 20s to 60s occupy wall street, LA and Oakland.

    I can’t be so blind to sound like the “old farts” that accuse me still of never having a hard day of work in my life. I never had an veteran talk to me like that because they had been there done that and can see it in my demeanor and respect of attention I give when they talk to me.

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  • Michael November 11, 2011, 3:13 pm

    Actually, I’m pretty darn impressed with what my nieces, nephews and kids their age (13-23) are pretty impressive. They have all sorts of skills, they’re smart, they can work together and problem solving skills than my friends and I had at that age.

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    • Michael November 11, 2011, 3:21 pm

      Let’s try that one again. I really need to replace my laptops keyboard.

      Actually, I’m pretty darn impressed with what my nieces, nephews, and kids their age (13-23) and think they’re are pretty impressive. They have all sorts of skills, they’re smart, they can work together and problem solving skills far greater than my friends and I had at that age.

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  • Michael November 11, 2011, 3:19 pm

    O’ and a quick heads up to anyone in the Pacific North West, remember the last week in November is typically the stormiest of the year. Make sure you’ve got everything battened down.

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  • DaaSwampman November 11, 2011, 7:21 pm

    I think most Americans will do nothing and will wait to be saved (think Katrina). The real problem is our goverment and all the handouts and lies. After 9-11 most Americans were willing to give up much of our freedom to feel safe! Are we safe – no. Do we have less freedom – yes. Many kids and young adults are smarter than ever, but is it useful? Will it feed or protect them? What if all the toys don’t work? Daaswampman

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  • Twelvetoe November 11, 2011, 7:35 pm

    You are not off base at all. Thank god that we are cross generationally sissified. If and when TEOTWAWKI occurs it will be important to have a voice from every generation represented. After the die off of the people that are simply unable to adapt there will be a pool of people left that are adaptable and have differing views of what is possible with the tools at hand. Having those differing viewpoints will lead to innovative solutions that would not be possible if only one generation was represented.

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  • steve November 11, 2011, 10:30 pm

    One thing I’ve haven’t read ,is the lack of fathers in families anymore. More and more boys raised by single moms (or two lesbian mothers, Tommy has two mommies). The women today don’t seem to think that they need to get married to have kids. see what happens.
    And for some reason, the PC crowd tells women to be more and more like men and men to become women. I’ve seen men? wearing makeup, carrying purses, wearing nail polish, and one at the grocery store who was wearing a dress like my mother wears!
    Even the TV shows make men out to be dumb and stupid and the woman is always smarter and stronger . Noe I see in movies the “tough guy” is a woman. A man hits the woman in the head, she in turns slugs him and he does a backflip! Huh?
    Boys need to be taken out hunting and shooting, camping, trapping, and not just hanging out in the mall, or playing video games and smoking pot.

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  • Travis November 12, 2011, 12:58 am

    I would have to agree with your assessment. I would have to admit that even I am not the man I used to be…it’s not by choice. About 14 years ago I broke my lower back and severely broke my right ankle and it has considerably slowed me down. I can no longer run, but I can walk; even in my diminished physical condition I would wager that I could survive longer than 90-95 percent of the population out there. My real goal in life is passing on the knowledge of the woods and rivers and about general survival to my 4 children. I may not be the man I used to be, but I do remember how I got to be the man I was and I damn sure am passing that along to my children. The biggest thing you must leave the next generation is not just the knowledge we already possess, but the mindset of “Never Quitting” no matter how bad things get. That mindset has allowed me to survive in situations that would kill most people. Shit happens all the time that can wipe out our best laid plans…many people when faced with a situation like that think well what can I do now???? The answer is you pick your ass up and you move on and start from scratch and rebuild or reaquire but you soldier on because quitting isn’t an option. Physical conditioning can be attained…mental conditioning is the true battle in almost every situation. By all means I am not discounting intelligence or skill, but mindset I think is key and in that arena our nation and our government have woosified the majority of our populace with one handout and entitlement after another. It’s good to see that there are people out there who get it though and it’s obvious by seeing the comments from others on this website. Carry on everyone and never quit….and never surrender!

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    • T.R. November 15, 2011, 12:33 am

      ” never quit , never surrender ”
      I agree ! but you have to have a self preservation instinct and just plain stubbornness . If your a survivalist , you have that . What I cant understand , fathom , or relate to in any way is suicide . That is to me the ultimate in weakness . I have talked to people that have attempted it and their reasons for trying ……………..it all sounded like a cop out . Never give up !
      Stars & Bars !

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  • Babysitter November 12, 2011, 3:10 am

    HEY!! First off, I just want to point out that I’m a guy and all of my toe & finger nails are painted!!(pink and green;) I am very much a Man! I just got done slitting throats of a pissy buck and donwannabe nanny!

    I normally don’t post on the sites I visit, but you know……. Pissin, whining and softness abound!
    Yeah, you’ll find it, if you look for it…. This is the Greatest Nation on this planet today, filled with the Toughest, Meanest, Hardest working sob’s you’ll find anywhere! And here, all that’s in focus is the scum that inevitably floats to the surface, ignoring the steel will foundation….. What a shame….

    That Scum, isn’t necessarily the guy with the nail polish, or the “pot heads” either……………..

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    • Chef Bear58 November 13, 2011, 10:17 am

      Ok, I gotta ask, I am not trying to antagonise, upset, frustrate or in any other way seem like I am insinuating anything negative… I am a chef (hence the screen-name), at times I am rather boistrous and unconventional in my self-expression. I have worked with folks from all kinds of backgrounds, you learn to get along with vastly different folks pretty quick when you’re up to your eye-balls “in the weeds”! I consider myself an “equal-opportunity” kinda guy… Meaning I try to give everybody a chance to make an D-bag out of themselves… which in my experience, they usually do!

      If you will further indulge me for a couple questions to feed my curiosity I would appreciate it… What is the reason for painting your nails? Any reason fot the particular colors you mentioned? Do you happen to live in/close (like suburbs) to a large city? Do folks give you crap ’bout it, if so what is the typical reaction?

      My questions stem from my curiosity, and my attempts to better my understanding of psychology and how people interact with eachother and things (specifically with situations, people, things, etc.); in order to further my ability to empathize/read people/situations which will hopefully me in the field help after I finish my AAS- Police Science and hopefully secure a career as a Game Warden.

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      • Jason November 13, 2011, 11:34 am

        What a dummy, you took the bait then waste a long paragraph being PC & waxing on about how you want to understand stupidity & fiction.

        A great American philosopher once famously said: “stupid is as stupid does”.

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        • Jason November 13, 2011, 3:33 pm

          Should clarify – the Forrest Gump quote was meant for Babysitter.

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  • The Duck November 12, 2011, 9:29 am

    I really think it depends on which part of the country, when Katrina hit we saw a sea of hopelessness, but in contrast when Joplin MO got flattened earlier this year, the majority that were able jumped in to do whatever needed to be done.They didn’t wait for the NG or Fema, they simply attacked the mess, looking for those trapped, clering streets fixing meals, whatever needed to be done

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  • Chef Bear58 November 12, 2011, 12:46 pm

    I think that Jarhead 03 has made one of the best arguments I have read so far. Each generation see’s the one that follows it as weaker, not as skilled, lazy, etc.

    That being said, from my personal experience while trying to teach kids (who are now in their early-mid 20′s) how to survive out in the wild to prepare them for SAR missions for CAP (civil air patrol), the ones I worked with would end up killing eachother with sheer ignorance! Perfect example was when I was trying to teach them the primitive fire making techniques I learned from my father (the reason I was there is because my Dad, Brother and Ma were involved with the local suadron… little brother didn’t care for Boy Scouts)… Long story short, I had explained VERY clearly earlier in the day that you NEVER use vines or low-cover plants if you don’t know exactly what it is and are 100,000% positive it won’t cause a problem in the fire. Turns out several of those “kids” (they were mostly teenagers) pulled poison ivy/poison oak and threw them into the fire when I was making a pot out of birch-bark to boil water in. Myself and several of the kids wound up getting poison ivy in our eyes, nose, mouth and throat from the smoke. Several of them were covered in poison ivy as well, lucky for me I have never had a poison ivy reaction on my skin, even after playin’ in it all day when I was a kid. Another time I was trying to show them “wild-edibles” they could eat if needed. I CLEARLY instructed them not to put anything in their mouths without showing me where/what it is first, then checking their field manual and showing/explaining to me how they know what it is… One of them (the guy who convinced everybody to put poison ivy in the fire), ended up eating a few handfulls of holly berries… we had to take him to the E.R. and they “pumped his stomach”.

    Maybe it’s just the group that I worked with… but if they are ANY indication of their age-group… They are SCREWED!

    However, I do know a few younger folks who would definately be able to “hold-their-own” in a SHTF/TEOTWAWKI situation. One of my best friends, (he’s like another little-brother) just turned 18 a few months ago, he can shoot *almost* as good as I can with a rifle (needs some work with a pistol); is better at stalking animals than I am; he’s smart; skilled with a blade and can whittle intricate tools after seeing me do it once/twice; VERY observant when in the woods and is pretty good at tracking (just needs to sharpen/hone his skills a little); he can start a fire with a bow&drill faster than I can; and he is damn good at making/hiding the booby-traps I have taught him to make; and he is pretty good at fishin’, especially with a cane pole and local/natural bait/lures… Honestly if there are more folks like him there might be hope for his generation yet! (And he’s still good with computers/electronics, basic mechanics, and loves video games)

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  • Gobbedyjook November 12, 2011, 5:01 pm

    It’s your imagination. Everything is fine.

    TV is a good babysitter. Parents work really hard to teach their kids to be good people. Generation Y is not an army of solipsistic, delusional Zuckerberg wannabes.

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    • Chef Bear58 November 13, 2011, 8:09 am

      I have been told that I am “smarter than the average bear” (no pun intended considering the screen-name), but I had to look-up the word “solipsistic” (basically extremely ego-centric for others who might need to resort to Mr. Webster), in my hard-copy of Webster’s dictionary… and the internet from Mr. Z.

      Thanks for giving me something to reference!

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      • Gobbedyjook November 13, 2011, 11:26 pm

        My pleasure, Sir.

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  • Sir Vyvor November 12, 2011, 5:29 pm

    I started working when I was 13, not because I wanted to, but had to. I’ve been working steady for 44 years. An honest days work everyday. I am fortunate enough to have 3 children who have inherited my work ethic. My sons do whatever they need to support their families. My daughter moved back home after graduating college. She had a job within an hour. Not what she wants to do, but she takes pride in working.
    So, my friends, there is hope.

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  • Spook45 November 12, 2011, 11:30 pm

    Not only are they WHIMPS; most of them are IDIOTS! If it doesnt come off of the computer or out of a microwave, they cant do it! Given our current level of rising nuclear threat and the threat of natural EMP from the growing solar activity boads a high probability of problems with electronics. Where will they be then? NO DISCIPLINE what so ever. Take KArate with some young folks, geez what a bunch of panzies! Hit one hard and the fold like a dishtowel……….Stick one with a knife and hes threw, done finished. IF those who we have to rely on for the upcoming conflict, we are doomed.

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  • Jason November 13, 2011, 10:38 am

    All of the above comments spoken like true wimps. Blame, point fingers at others, complain about being doomed or talk about how you pulled yourself up by your own boot straps with the underlying message that you are better (off) than the rest of the world. All of it is soft & weak.

    If you’re going to complain, try offering a solution & then be the solution, it is the only hope. Accountability WITH action is the answer.

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  • Joe November 13, 2011, 3:57 pm

    I remember about a week after the 9-11 Attacks–A talk show guy on the radio (NYC) normally comedy. But this day he was seroius, commenting how in the Hamptons, Long Island guys in their early 20′s are walking around like wimps (or something similiar) with their pink sweaters drapped across their shoulders like bitches and he went on to describe thesestraight guys like fems. After that he described how in the Middle East the teenagers were training with rifles & obstacle courses, etc. He said that if were were invaded we were doomed.———-my 2 cents– watch Red Dawn with a kid , teach them to shoot responsivly, bring them hiking, join the Scouts, etc

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  • Presager Buddy November 13, 2011, 4:36 pm

    The most affluent nation in the world’s history has ended up producing the most affluent spoiled brats in the history of the world. Service to them means not having their $30,000 car for a day while it gets tuned up. But at least they have the outrageously high tech phones with them so they don’t get too bored. Military or community service should be mandatory for all young people. We’d have a better and more prepared society.

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  • Joe November 13, 2011, 9:53 pm

    Great post, Jarhead!

    You know, I think most every generation has looked at the one that’s following it and had similar thoughts. “We’re doomed if the world depends on this bunch to get by.”

    But so far we’ve managed. I must admit though that I do think that most Americans are too soft, have too much of a sense of entitlement, have too little work ethic, to survive when TSHTF.

    Joe

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  • Jack Fallin November 14, 2011, 6:06 am

    My Dad was marine for 9 years before I was born and probably would have been a lifer were it not for me. I was raised as a marine. I did not realize what that meant until I went in and more or less coasted thru Boot camp. It wasn’t easy but it was not something beyond my endurance. I was asked by my instructor who taught me to shoot and when I answered I actually got a slight smile from the gunny. My dad was tough but fair and it paid off. I am sorry to say that not enough people were toughed up in my generation, that I have gone soft and that the succeeding generations have gotten not necessarily weaker but less appreciative of their ancestors. I would have died were it not for the teachings of my father. We do not do our children and grand children a service by making life easy for them, rather we are hurting them in the long view. It is hard to be tough on loved ones but there is method to the madness and hopefully someday our progeny will understand it.
    Jack
    Semper fi

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  • T.R November 14, 2011, 11:17 pm

    I think we are weaklings . Im an older guy, I grew up on a ranch in AZ , my family has and still does have the independent Confederate spirit . I dont see any one thing as the problem , but many things that need to change . One of the things I hate the most is the liberal PC movement . Issues are not talked about but rather danced around for fear of offending some group of people . You cant fix a problem if you cant be honest and talk about the problem openly and completely . I see our country being invaded by people who are not good for it , yet we refuse to secure our borders . We have no morals or ethics , we think we are entitled to everything . We are not the same people with the strong moral foundation that weathered out the great depression . If that were to happen today , it would be chaos with all the self entitled people fighting for every last crumb . I hang out with Russians quite a bit as my girl is a Russian . Before I met her , I didnt know much about them other than the cold war “bogie man “propaganda . What I have learned from this experience is this ……. There are some groups of people you want to immigrate to your country and there are groups that you need to keep out . These people know what a hard life REALLY is . As a result , they are tougher people than we are , they are harder working and dont take anything for granted and are generally appreciative of being able to be part of it , they are generally moral and respectful people . Most eastern europeans I have met seem to have this in common . On the other hand , Most mexican nationals I have met feel like the US and its people owe them something , they are rude , vulgar and expect you to assimilate to them and their ways and not the other way around , they seem to be criminally minded , etc. etc. ……………Starting to see a demographic problem here ? Yet the PC crowd doesn’t want us to do anything about it ………why is that ? As a people we no longer glorify the good guy and good deeds but rather the grifter and the criminal . We have the attention span of an 8 year old . We find the word God to be offensive ……………. why? ……..why is that so threatening ? other than the risk of being told something contradictory to the way we are living and behaving ? I cant decide weather the government is turning communist or fascist , either direction is totalitarian , and that is its unmistakeable path . I could go on and on but we can see the problems all around us . The people are the nation and we are a nation in decline on every level . My personal solution is to see the nation break up and start over . We are too factional , every faction believing they are entitled to more than their fair share , we may be able to unite long enough to throw off an invader or our own government if it became so oppressive that we as a people had nothing to loose , but after it was all over we would one again separate back into our factions . Most empires break up and the nations formed out of it are generally better off for it . We have lost our way , lost our identity . There comes a point where you become so lost …….. there is no way out . We may not be at that point yet , but if it continues …………..we will be . This is why we prep .

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  • T.R November 14, 2011, 11:19 pm

    Happy Veterans day to all that served on this site …………and thank you !

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