Are We Living In A Police State?

Imagine that one evening you’re at home getting ready to go to bed and suddenly there’s a knock on your kitchen door.  Nobody ever knocks this late and you’re a little nervous, so you cautiously get up to see who’s there.  Suddenly it explodes in and five or ten guys in full combat uniform swarm through the door.  They knock you down and drag you outside and one of them sits on your back and cuffs your hands together while the other points a rifle at your head.  Your wife is dragged screaming from the house and subjected to the same treatment.

Your fourteen year old daughter is brought out with a gun pointed at her head and from inside the house you hear a gunshot as your dog is shot and killed.

Then one of them tells you that they’re a SWAT team doing a raid on the house because an informant has given them your address.

The men search your house and after a couple of hours come back to you, pull you to your feet, and apologize saying they were given the wrong address by their druggie informant.

Sorry about that and see you later.

They leave and your door is hanging open on broken hinges, your dog is dead, your wife and daughter are completely traumatized, and you feel like you’ve just be victimized by the good guys.

Think it couldn’t happen?

Think again.  This kind of thing happens all the time around this great country of ours.

Tough Job

I’m not here to bash the police.  Most of them are just guys out doing a tough job and trying to make the best of it.  I will say that police work does seem to draw a higher percentage of “tough guys” than other jobs, but I think that’s just the nature of the beast.  I’ve known many cops and early in my college career (fresh out of the Corps) I was studying to be a state police officer.  That changed when I took a class on child abuse and I realized that line of work wasn’t the place for a young hothead like me.  The instructor was a twenty year vet with some of the most awful stories you can imagine.  I figured I’d walk into a house somewhere and see something terrible being done to a child and I’d pop someone right in the forehead with a .40 cal – then I’d be in jail.  It was a tough decision, but I changed my major after that class.

A lot of times these raids are done for something as benign as marijuana.  In this story the cops banged on the door of an Army vet because they heard he was growing some weed.  When they mounted the assault he was inside with a gun and one cop was killed and five others were injured.  How senseless was this cop’s death?  Some people will use the argument, “Well, what he was doing was illegal.”  C’mon, it may be illegal, but the level of force used here was a little excessive for growing some weed.  Now if he was running a meth lab or had some hostages in the house or some such I could almost understand it, but for some pot?

In this story the FBI chainsawed a woman’s door down, broke in and held her at gunpoint for thirty minutes while her three year old cried in another room.  After awhile they figured out that they were in the wrong apartment – and that was after a two year investigation into drugs and weapons in that apartment complex.  Seems to me that after two years they’d pretty much have some idea of the apartment the bad guys were living in.

And here are just a few more examples:

Innocent man shot to death on raid on wrong house.

Editorial about black people being raided – cops bust in on judge’s family.

Cops raid the wrong house – Longview Texas – two brothers

Cops raid wrong house

Marine killed in drug raid

 

Jose Guerena

All these stories are bad, but this one takes the cake.  (If you have time you should read the full analysis by a former police officer here.)  Jose Guerena was a Jarhead back after two tours in Iraq.  He got out to join the Border Patrol, but couldn’t because of bad vision, so he got a job working at a mine to support his family.

Apparently, and for reasons that I found less than compelling, he and some of his extended family were being investigated for drugs and weapons.  At 9:30 am May 5, 2011 a Pima County, Arizona SWAT team assaulted his house and, from what I can tell through much reading, completely botched the entry and wound up shooting Jose twenty-two times.

If you read the analysis you’ll understand the raid was part of a series of raids and that the affidavit was more of a fishing expedition than an actual drug bust based on facts.

Here’s a quick synopsis of the raid:

Jose was home sleeping after working the night shift at the mine.  His wife and child were home as well and that morning she looked out the window and happened to see someone  out back with a gun.  (Her relatives had been hit not too long before by gunmen.)  She called to Jose that there were people outside with guns, so he grabbed an AR-15, put his wife and child in the closet, and went to see what was going on.

In the meantime the entry team lined up and knocked on the door.  They waited seven seconds and then knocked it down.  During the entry one of the police officers stumbled and accidentally fired his weapon causing the rest of the team to open fire and kill Guerena, who I might add did not shoot when he saw who he was facing.  It seems that if his training was sufficient to hold his fire that the SWAT team’s should have been as well.   Check out this video of the shooting.  They shot between 70 and 80 rounds and it’s a pure miracle his wife and child weren’t killed or injured as well with the wild firing they were doing.  When you watch the video remember that Jose never fired one shot in return.

After all that no narcotics were found in his home.  After Guerena was shot the cops left him laying there for over an hour before allowing EMS to help him.  The SWAT team denied accountability for the outcome of this raid and were found to be not at fault by an investigation, which is the real tragedy if you ask me.  The whole thing smelled of police cover-up right from the beginning.

At one point one of the police spokesmen said, “What reasonable person comes to the front door and points a rifle at people?”

I would say that if someone suddenly knocked my door down and rushed into my house while I was sleeping my first reaction would be exactly the same thing.  My question is, “What reasonable person would expect a man not to defend his house if he had the training and weapons with which to do it?”  After all, there have been instances of criminals pretending to be police officers where innocents wind up as victims.

So what did the police say?  “You point a gun at police, you’re going to get shot.”

Using this reasoning if someone breaks into your house and you meet them at the door with a gun pointing at them you might as well shoot whether it’s a bad guy or a cop.  Why?  Because if it’s a cop they’re going to see the gun and start shooting.  Maybe you can get lucky and shoot first, after all they have the element of surprise.  If it’s a bad guy he’s not breaking in to bring flowers to you and your family and poses a clear risk.  Shoot to kill.

That logic seems to me to be the antithesis of “To Serve and Protect.”

Is The Militarization of Police Necessary?

My question is this:  is it really necessary for the militarization of our police force at this level?  I’m not talking about tinfoil hat stuff here, but I’m concerned that local governments feel it’s necessary to send in assault teams for relatively minor things – especially when they sometimes hit the wrong home.

Oh come on, Jarhead.  It only happens once in awhile.

Sure, no big deal until it happens to you.  I don’t know about you, but I damned sure don’t want to be on the receiving end of something like this.  Here’s a question that’s probably already been answered, but what happens if they break into my house and I happen to be sitting on the couch with my gun next to me and I get the drop on them?

I’m sitting there in my nice quiet home and then bang!  Three or more guys with guns come in and line up in the fatal funnel (see above video for how not to conduct a raid) and I just pick up my gun and start shooting.  Let’s say I kill two cops before I realize what’s going on.  If I somehow manage to survive the raid (doubtful) can I go to prison for that?  As far as I’m concerned I was protecting myself and my family, but I doubt the law would see it that way even if I had nothing to hide.   If this scenario hasn’t played out yet you can bet your bottom dollar it will before too long.

I believe there are times and places for the SWAT team guys to do their thing, but I’m not sure that assaulting private residences is one of them.  If there’s something in the house they want to see why not just wait until the suspect(s) come out and nab them then?  Oh, I know it won’t always be that easy, but it beats knocking the door down of an innocent family and terrorizing or possibly killing some of them.

Once again I feel like I’m leaving a lot of arguments half finished or unsaid, but I’m going to stop here due to the length of the post.

Tell me what you think.  Is it ok to have this threat of force hanging over your head?  Hey Jarhead!  There’s a drug war happening and sometimes you have to scramble a few eggs to make an omelet.  Right?

I know there’s a bunch of law enforcement guys that read this blog and I’d love to hear what you have to say about this.

If someone broke into your house are you just going to sit there if you have the means to protect your family?  Think carefully, because it is well within the realm of possibility.

Sound off below.

-Jarhead Survivor

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159 comments… add one
  • Twelvetoe February 10, 2012, 7:38 am

    Aaaand GO! (I predict over 100 comments)

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    • Jason February 11, 2012, 11:04 am

      Great comment!!! You are wise beyond your years …

      This is comment #69 ….

      :^)

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      • lance August 4, 2015, 9:15 pm

        148!

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    • Anonymous February 12, 2012, 10:53 pm

      Weeeee have a winner folks! Congratulations Twelvetoe!

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    • Messer June 28, 2015, 10:34 pm

      There is actually a prank in the gaming community where you call in a hostage situation or similar offense to merit a SWAT team on them while they are streaming their games live. This prank is not only a felony but like you mentioned above also very dangerous. So some of the misappropriated ass kicking can be courtesy of malevolent citizens.

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    • C-La November 6, 2016, 8:00 pm

      I think that as long as people, collectively, tolerate living in this type of fear climate, they are in effect, ceding their country. It seems that the militia will have to get involved, at some level, to mediate/moderate these occurrences. Perhaps they could accompany police during these raids, which could help cultivate the militia presence on a local level, and provide accountability for all involved.

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  • john February 10, 2012, 8:54 am

    Simple rules, kick in the door, I start shooting, I am not going to look out and present myself as a target for a head shot. Politely knock with a local police cruiser with lights on outside, we come out after calling 911 to be sure it is the police, after I read the warrant.

    We have nuts around here pretending to be police officers all the time, never mind the gangs such as MS-13.

    In Atlanta last week we just had six men break into a home and kill a high school kid doing nothing wrong, they just wanted to rip the house off. No drugs involved. So far it appears they didn’t even know the people.

    SOP for these people is they wear cheap T-shirts which say “POLICE” or the fad shirt “CIA”, kick in the door while yelling police, and then rob people.

    A few years ago, the Atlanta Police shot to death an innocent old black lady in her own home who’s greatest crime was going to church. I think she was in a wheel chair too. The police lied on the warrant, had bad info from an informant,, and then lied trying to cover up their murder of an innocent civilian. Some of them just went to jail. Then you have the so called “pastor” of ther church trying to get some of the reward money from her estate and family because that is what she would have wanted. Sorry state of affairs all around.

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  • Templar February 10, 2012, 8:57 am

    I’m a police lieutenant in a community of about 14,000 in Virginia. The very reason I gave up an engineering career in my late 40s was because I saw what was happening to modern-day American cops, and I wanted there to be at least one that still “served and protected”. The Gestapo mentality of present-day SWAT teams is terrifying– I see it all the time in other agencies. Some are ex-GIs who learned well and ply their trade in semi-civilian life; some are Rambo wannabes with too much testosterone who watch ‘way too much TV. The “war on drugs” is a joke and a national disgrace. We don’t have too many cops, we have too many lawyers (see Wm. Shakespeare’s Henry VI, part 2, Act IV, Scene 2). I carry a copy of the U.S. Constitution in my cruiser, and I encourage my guys to do the same. I’m occasionally told that I’m sworn to enforce the law. I took a look at my appointment papers– I actually took an oath to support the Constitution, and to “defend the U.S. and the Commonwealth from all enemies, foreign and domestic”.
    My God, what have we become?

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    • gat31 February 10, 2012, 9:53 am

      Bless You

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    • riverrider February 10, 2012, 10:00 am

      templar, i salute you one virginian to another. i got out of law enforcement for the very reason that you got into it. i was taught by very good cops what it meant to be one and how to do it. then the mentality shifted from citizen centered to budget centered, where the people are seen as the enemy. it started with subdued uniforms, ball caps and combat boots in leiu of the old standard. now their pants are bloused, bdu style, low slung holsters, some wear cammies(WTF). starting w/ clinton the gov gave every one dog town a pile of cash earmarked “swat only”. now we have a slew of barney fifes running around doing no-knocks on overdue parking tickets…we have had several instances of bad guys dressed/announced as cops here. additonally, the “teams” aren’t trained properly. any more than one guy yelling “police”, and it is not understandable,just sounds like a bunch of screaming bad guys. even david koresh said “guys, all you had to do is knock, we coulda talked about this” same at ruby ridge, and at my house. but come in swat style and the headlines will resemble the ogden, utah case. what ever happened to TALKING to people? and what happened to PROBABLE CAUSE? the magistrates/judges are part to blame for this condition. when the law abiding people as a whole see law enforcement as the bad guy, a collapse cannot be far behind. sic semper tyrannis.

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      • Jason February 11, 2012, 2:23 am

        Jeez riverrider, I’m almost speechless …. very well said.

        Your Barney Fife description was right on the money. A few months ago, I was doing my usual, afternoon break routine – stopping at Starbucks for a cup of java. The location is a very family friendly area in a quaint, small townish style set-up. I have lived in this area since 1989 & know it very well, including many of the “regulars”. The population is about 60K in this suburb.

        I park, get out of my car & here comes a local Sheriff in jackboots, walking in the middle of the 50’x50′ courtyard with a 12 gage ammo belt & his Remington riot gun slung tightly across his chest. To complete this embarrassing scene, both items across his chest were so new it looked as if he just cut off the sales tags. He had a broad, goofy grin on his mid twenty’s bespectacled face. Mind you, the area was not cordoned off, no other Sheriff’s were around with cars strategically parked, no suspect dashing by – just this goofball as proud as can be with his shiny new toys to show off.

        I’m in my late 50’s & been around some questionable areas, seen the scenes that warranted this type enforcement look but NEVER like this – families, kids under 10 hanging around & enjoying the day and this moron traipsing though without a care in the world. I actually said “WTF?” But it was the cavalier, nearly arrogant appearance that was most shocking to me. A “real” hardened criminal would have had 3 rounds in him before he could have said “Opie Taylor, is that you?”

        Where do these guys come from? From the Playstation & video store educating schools to serve & protect us?

        This open invitation to starting or creating trouble – a la Police State mindset, is the beginning of the end.

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    • JSW February 10, 2012, 9:10 pm

      Templar: thank you for being a Constitutional Officer and leading by example.
      Like Uncle, I feel there are very few who believe as you do. I’ve not met many of the LEO in my area, other than those who visit the range and they’re clique-ish, not overly friendly toward us, that I’ve noticed.
      Too, our local sheriff dept isn’t the friendliest, though I’ve met some very nice ones, polite and professional, though their leader is definitely not a Constitutionally minded officer and dead set against CCW (though state law says he has to have excellent reasons for denying permits).
      As to Jarhead’s question: My house door is always locked when I’m home or away, so just opening would be a problem (steel door and surround). Whenever I answer, I’m armed (always) and ready to defend myself and others. If someone, unannounced as in the past scenarios, attempts breaking in, there’s going to be gunfire without hesitation. As Jarhead says, I’d want to see more than flashing lights and a T-shirt, or some Ninja dressed outfit making the attempt.
      If I’m that dangerous a person, as any of those reported, there’s no reason I canot be apprehended outdoors, in town, at a store, at church- so many places one officer with proper ID could easily get my attention. Breaking in my door is the best way to be shot, even if it means the same to me. My castle is my castle, not theirs- the door is a moat that will not be breached easily.
      Again, thank you for your service. You’re a breath of fresh air. (Though I do have a bone to pick with certain police in western VA, that’s a whole other story.)
      Shy III

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  • irishdutchuncle February 10, 2012, 9:23 am

    this is going to get worse.

    leadership from “our side” needs to speak out, as you have done.
    (cops like Templar are too few) police need to be urged in the strongest possible language to back away from these practices… this is about subduing the american population. some americans will not acquiesce. (even in the face of seemingly overwhelming force)

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    • riverrider February 10, 2012, 10:03 am

      actually it more about budget money. we are their cash cows to be milked for every dollar possible.

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  • Spook45 February 10, 2012, 9:33 am

    YES; we are definitively living in a police state. not only in action and activity but under color of law as well. The slow series of Unconstitutional actions that have been passed and allowed to stand. The construction of these pieces of “law” if want to call them that, are constructed in such a maner that if applied, would not give one the ability to challenge the validity of thelaw. ERR GO, it is facism, totalitarianism at best and is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Bushes PDD 51, the John Warrner Defence Authorization act, the new NDAA and various other opperational actions that completely shread the Constitution and are invalid on thier face. The real problem here is that if, per se, they came to get you, you have no CHOICE but to fight back as any other action will lead you to unlawful incarciration with no legal recoarse. I mean, what does one do when confronted with inprisonment where one has no lawyer or legal representation, no redress before courts or congress and n form of legal appeal of any kind. If allowed to be taken you would just be “persona non-grata”. To quote the Russian, had they met the secret police with picks and axes the revolution against them wold have stopped in its tracks. The time draws nigh when you have only two choices, go quietly to enjoy your prison or FIGHT! IVe made up my mind, hope you have too.

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  • jason February 10, 2012, 9:52 am

    This video was a bit more definitive & includes commentary of another incident:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSXi6Oq49ro&feature=related

    I agree things are out of hand & has been that way since I was in my teens about 40 years ago when 4 friends & I got clubbed pretty bad by the cops for a mistaken identity.

    I was & still am 6′ 4″, 225 lbs, could handle myself & can take blows but being lined up against guys with the supposed “law” on their side & a quick radio call to back-up henchmen, I wisely chose to take the beating like my 19 year old friends. We were in the wrong place at the wrong time, minding our own business & said nothing more than – “what are you doing, what did we do?” in civil tones.

    Another friend (weeks later) told me he was a roommate of one of the cops & I passed along an invitation to meet the guy in their gym for an open hand, one on one. He never responded.

    Sometimes donning a badge & uniform brings out the worst in some as they seem to be able to make up for injustices that were perpetrated upon them in their youth.

    I can’t help but wonder if sometimes they are simply out looking for trouble to quench their own thirst.

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    • riverrider February 10, 2012, 10:21 am

      jason, it appears we agree more than we disagree lately,LOL. how spooky is that? yes, there is a segment of the police population that are there just for the revenge reason. i saw it both when i was on the job as well as now. any time you offer a crappy job for lousy pay, you are going to get a few with ulterior motives. you will also get some saints like templar. i was a “do-gooder” myself and quickly became disillusioned with the milk the cow mentality. how does it serve the public to write 5 tickets on one driver, who you know can’t pay the tickets or he woulda fixed his broke ass car? how does it serve the public to lock up a family man for a joint in his pocket? i warned various agencies about the militarization of the force while doing research for a masters degree. fell on deaf ears of course. add to that the politicalization of the police dept, with its insatiable appetite for funds and you have a deadly brew. most revolts that i know of were finally kicked off by a poor police response to a minor problem. and the band plays on….

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      • Jason February 10, 2012, 11:12 am

        Riverrider …

        Give me a little time, I’ll try harder now to irritate you! I can’t wear a uniform so I will be a cyber bully instead! Ha, ha –

        Maybe I am beginning to mellow out … SHTF no, that ain’t in my Irish make-up!

        :-)

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  • gat31 February 10, 2012, 10:26 am

    When they raided my mothers house on 3 separate occasions looking for my step brother, it was always in the wee hours between 2 and 6 am. Same routine, kick in door, clear everyone out at gunpoint, destroy the house, never found him, sorry ma’am, and left.
    What about the guy who was shot because he was holding a remote when they kicked down the wrong door?
    With the FBI giving notices to stores and companies giving training to employees on how to spot a terrorist l see this happening more and more.The convenient store clerk starts freaking out because she sees someone walking down the street at 2am. She calls police. They find guy and asks for ID. He doesn’t have any because him and wife have an argument and he just walks outside to calm his temper and doesn’t grab ID. Police freak out and says he is being insubordinate and uncooperative and goes to taser and handcuff him but oopsy grabbed gun not taser and boom he’s dead. No charges, no apologies, no compensation, happens more and more everyday.
    Here’s a question, how many people REALLY keep a gun on them when they are sitting on the couch watching tv with the family? If someone breaks down your “wrong” door are you really gonna be sitting there with a locked and loaded gun pointing at the “funnel” and taking some out before they get to you? Most gun owners have the gun in one place with bullets in another most of the time in a safe or lockbox in a closet or under the bed. We all secretly WANT to be Rambo and have guns on us always, but reality is we don’t.

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    • KC February 10, 2012, 9:04 pm

      As personal experience has clearly illustrated to me and many others involved in dynamic entry operations, normally the subject and his environs are carefully under surveillance prior to the entry. This is to ascertain the wake/sleep cycle of the subject (subjects), so that the entry can occur during a predicted time when the subject is in the deepest part of the REM cycle of sleep. This practice can greatly enhance the survival of the entry team, since the subject can be reasonably presumed to be in a non-confrontational state. Here’s the point: if your opponent is going to do something like a dynamic entry upon you, your family or dwelling, then be prepared to repel the entry team by providing misinformation to the surveillance team prior to the entry team’s assault, this will be the biggest mistake they ever conducted. Not all dynamic entries go according to plan, I’ve seen several botched entries that had to resort to extraordinary measures in order to secure the dwelling being entered. The elevation of force will be carefully considered when the entry team begins to take fatalities, so much in fact in a civil situation, your opponent may begin to feel the need to negotiate. This is where reason and clear communication skills come into their own. If the dynamic entry was an administrative error on the part of the opponent, then negotiations can be settled with no more loss of unnecessary life and property. However this is the best case. Knowing the increasing specialization into Special Operations among Civilian Law Enforcement Agencies, it will only a matter of time before, items like electronic warfare equipment will come into the fray. Items like DUKE and PROPHET will take their place in dynamic entry operations along battering rams, breaching weapons, sub-machine guns and Class IV Body Armor. Imagine a future dynamic entry incident, in a municipality near you when, the Local LEO Agency employs a PROPHET Block 3 as to intercept and record your mobile tele-communication devices as you place a call or transmission to your attorney, the county or your associates. Imagine the same agency employing a DUKE to block all electromagnetic devices within a four-block area from doing the same, with the added bonus of disrupting such needed medical appliances such as pacemakers and breathing machines. In the bottom line; when the employees in the DOD are using these devices down range, everyday against hardened insurgents in various forth-world ratholes, it’s no real stretch of the imagination to connect the dots to this happening in Batesville, Arkansas or Seattle, Washington, some time soon by the employees of the local LEO agency.

      God Bless and stay “frosty!”

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    • riverrider February 11, 2012, 11:33 am

      gat, don’t you? i have a gun in a hidden holster right by my right hand while relaxing in my recliner. theres one by the bed and another in easy reach. my dogs go apeshit if anybody even slows down at the end of my long driveway. i have 3-5 seconds to grab a gat and set up on the door, which is in sight of the only other door. if they don’t kill me in the intitial assault, there are heavy weapons and gear in the closet in the hallway. the second wave will get a nasty surprise, assuming they have the will and manpower remaining . that said, if they have the courtesy to walk up and knock on my door, i’ll invite them in and offer them coffee. i hold no animosity toward LEO, being a former one myself.

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      • gat31 February 13, 2012, 12:42 am

        Have not yet acquired a gun nor do l have a dog so no l don’t keep one beside me when watching tv.

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  • Southerner February 10, 2012, 11:11 am

    The thing is if you are a bad guy making meth & someone kicks in your door, they are either cops or other bad guys wanting your stuff. So you shoot at them because you expected to one day be raided by one of these groups by virtue of what you do. You deserve what you get.
    BUT if you are “Joe Mortgage” & you are sitting on the couch cleaning your gun & someone kicks in your door, the last thing you expect is that it is cops kicking in your door. You don’t break laws, you have done nothing illegal so you don’t expect cops, you expect “bad guys” so you open fire.
    If you live & it goes to court “intent” must come up some where. You never expected cops. you expected “bad guys”.

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  • Adam February 10, 2012, 12:38 pm

    Okay, this is going to be a long one. As a police officer I have to say a couple of things. For starters, obviously the reason the Ogden police went in with a SWAT team was well warranted as the guy opened fire, killing one and wounding five officers. Do you really think that a normal guy would do that? And the BS about him growing medical marijuana because he has PTSD is utter BS. If you need marijuana, then get some Marinol, which is the prescribed drug with the same effects of marijuana.

    Your comments about the Arizona raid against Guerra are completely baseless. The autopsy shows that he had his gun pointed at the police when he was shot. The statements made by Guerra’s wife show she KNEW it was the SWAT team. Did you see the video of them approaching the house? They had sirens blaring, lights on and the knocked and announced several times in English and Spanish.

    Guerra’s entire family was involved in drug trafficking. Serving the search warrants was done at the same time to not tip off one of the targets beforehand. Have you actually read the search warrant affidavit? That affidavit shows a ton of police work and the warrant was legitimate. It was presented before a judge and signed off on. Yes, they did not get narcotics out of Guerra’s house, but they sure got some other stuff, including uniforms and cash. He was the registered owner of several of the cars involved in the trafficking scheme. The family had contacts at the DMV and was researching one of the surveillance cars beforehand (which is illegal).

    Are all police perfect? Not in the slightest. Police are a cross section of the population at large. Do mistakes happen? Yes they do. And when they do, it’s national news and people bring them up over and over again, even if they are misinformed and their information is dead wrong. How many successful search warrants are executed every day? How many mistakes happen? There are 8 stories linked in the article and comments. Are 8 mistakes too many? Yes that’s too many. There shouldn’t be any mistakes, especially when dealing with a raid and/or SWAT situation.

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  • Adam February 10, 2012, 2:22 pm

    I’m sorry. I meant to say, that Guerena did not fire his weapon. But the weapon was pointed at the police as evidenced by the autopsy and trajectory of how the bullets entered his body and the weapon.

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    • Jason February 10, 2012, 3:02 pm

      I don’t give a SHTF if he was a drug runner, car thief or whatever, that fascist action of drilling him with that much lead was totally wrong.

      Walt’s video link above says it all – no cameras, do what you will. I have loads friends who are cops & all are pretty good guys however, a decent amount of cops are weak pukes that use their authority to intimidate or to make up for all of those times they were the last one picked last for the soccer game.

      And to answer that tired old question – will I call a cop when I am in trouble? Yea, probably because I can count on them to do what they do best – intimidate.

      Adam, you’ve gotta know that when you pull someone over, they are already fearful & feel intimidated plus, guilt is a foregone conclusion regardless of the infraction. Any psychologist will tell you that it would feel good on some level to have that kind of control & power …

      I grew up as a surfer & was always at the beach before dawn checking the surf. One morning about 4:30 I was sitting in an alley, 100 yards from the water, headlights on, foot on the break, nobody around, checking the surf between a large space between 2 houses – it was a very normal thing in that area. A cop pulls up behind me, lights spinning & says freeze, then approached my window.

      Asked for ID & he asked what I was doing. Hmmm, let’s see – surfboard on top of my ’62 Ford Falcon, wetsuit in the backseat & at a well known surf break, I said – whadda think, checkin’ the waves. He didn’t like my tone & pulls me out of the car & proceeds to tear apart the inside & trunk while I have hands on the hood.

      I finally had enough & said what the F are you doing all of this for? Squad car #2 shows up & they pull the separate questioning routine.

      I complied very pointedly & explained what I was doing again & after their background checking of me, they let me go after 30 minutes and left me with the job of repacking my car because he tossed all of my stuff into the street.

      When I asked what their probable cause was, they said – we felt like it. That’s L.A. cops for you.

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      • Adam February 10, 2012, 3:36 pm

        And that’s the problem. You are painting a broad brush for something that happened to you years ago. Things have changed since the days of old. No, they can’t just search your car because they want to. There has to be probable cause to search your vehicle unless you provide consent.

        Did you ever file a civil action against the police for what they did? If not, why not?

        I think there is absolutely NO excuse for hitting the wrong house. It is inexcusable. The public pays me to do a job and do it well. They also pay me to make sure that when I do something, I am acting within the law. If I’m not, then believe me, it’ll be all over the national news and I’ll be sued, if not thrown in jail.

        To give you something to think about. If I were to pull what the TSA agents pull and search people that way without probable cause, I’d be in jail for violating your civil rights and have a 42 USC 1983 violation against me.

        I will not allow another officer that I am with to do something illegal. Some cops are just stupid, lazy, arrogant, pr**ks. Not all of them are. And yes, when I go to work, my goal is to go home that night. If it means that someone is pointing a rifle at me and I have to shoot him a lot, then so be it. Don’t point a rifle at a cop.

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        • Jason February 10, 2012, 3:59 pm

          File a civil suit? You’ve got to be kidding – no witnesses other than the 2 jackbooted gentlemen & me. Yea, that’d go far …

          The only thing that has changed is now there are more cameras & the viral influence but the mindset is the same except you’ve got keep your on a swivel before cracking someone on the skull.

          The TSA argument is apples & oranges – they are allowed to do it & are being filmed.

          Face it – given a gun, badge, a uniform, a club, pepper spray, a taser, palm sap, zip tie & metal cuffs, an 8″ pocket knife, a brotherhood who will back you regardless, a stomach full of donuts & caffeine and interpretive law with DA’s & Judges backing the play – yes, the cards are just slightly stacked against the public.

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          • Jason February 10, 2012, 4:05 pm

            PS

            I forgot to add the flash bangs tucked in the utility belt.

        • Slobyskya Rotchikokov February 11, 2012, 1:39 am

          If cop does not want rifle pointed at him, then cop should not break into man’s home, in darkness, like cowards always did in East Germany and old Soviet Union; crawling in darkness like snake. If cop wants to arrest man and has evidence that he is criminal, then arrest him on street, face to face, like a man. At his work, or cafe, or gasoline station. Not have to murder in front of wife and family. That is the old way of KGB and NKVD. No guts. Murder. Like all communist bastards who made life hell for the good people.

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          • T.R. February 15, 2012, 7:38 pm

            My girl is Russian , she told me a few stories about how things were in the Soviet Union .

      • Slobyskya Rotchikokov February 11, 2012, 1:44 am

        Jason – you are lucky they did not gang rape you and then shoot you in the head; they could have had this declared ‘justified’ and sworn that you pulled a weapon on them and if they had to, place a weapon in your hand after death. Probably the same weapon that they used to justify another few executions. We all know how dangerous surfing people are. I remember hearing and seeing a record many years ago by a group called Beach Boys; I thought, oh my God, these men look like gangsters, they probably all have AKs or Makarovs hidden in their car and have just buried many bodies in the sand!!!

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        • Colesdad May 18, 2016, 5:56 pm

          Check this out…I was in orange beach, al with family for vacation as we do every year. I have been a sportfishing captain for 17yrs. I was with a friend catching blacktips from the beach using a kayak to take the baits out. We caught one about a 100lbs and took them out again. His girls had whacked the shark a couple times in the head with a FISH BAT. As I was getting it all straight two OB LEO’s arrived and started a search of the kayak. I was about halfway listening and trying to stay calm until I heard animal cruelty. Long story short the pimple faced shithead and me were almost to blows when his sgt. I am guessing intervened. I told him to call the mayor and they left. Cops are the biggest crime syndicate in the world. “WE DONT TOLERATE ANIMAL CRUELTY IN OB…” IT’S NOT AN ANIMAL DIPSHIT!…short excerpt of the conversation.

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          • Colesdad May 18, 2016, 6:03 pm

            Check this out…I was in orange beach, al with family for vacation as we do every year. I have been a sportfishing captain for 17yrs. I was with a friend catching blacktips from the beach using a kayak to take the baits out. We caught one about a 100lbs and took them out again. His girls had whacked the shark a couple times in the head with a FISH BAT. As I was getting it all straight two OB LEO’s arrived and started a search of the kayak. I was about halfway listening and trying to stay calm until I heard animal cruelty. Long story short the pimple faced shithead and me were almost to blows when his sgt. I am guessing intervened. I told him to call the mayor and they left. Cops are the biggest crime syndicate in the world. “WE DONT TOLERATE ANIMAL CRUELTY IN OB…” IT’S NOT AN ANIMAL DIPSHIT!…short excerpt of the conversation.

            Oh yeah the head jackass also asked if we kill fish on my charter boat with a FISH BAT? I said yeah if you hit them right the eyeball flies out like a good pitch with a wedge and all the customers cheer…bunch of idiots. My point was they pick on the weak and uninformed. If my friend had been alone with his girls it would have been a bullshit ticket.

      • HQ5thMar February 11, 2012, 7:23 am

        Jason,
        I had a similar thing happen to me. I work security and have been to the police academy in my area for training. I was working with LEO’s on a daily basis detaining felons and other undesirables on my given site.

        Well one day I was driving home after picking up my kids from the ex-wife. A State Trooper crosses the freeway through the median and pulls me over. She asks me to get out and go behind the car. I complied. She then asks if I have any weapons on me. To which I answer “yes, I have a .45 1911 under my left arm.” She requests to place me in handcuffs for her protection. Again I comply, trying not to cause a problem. She places me in hand cuffs and radios for back up. When the back up arrives they take my sidearm, check my CPL, the registration and unload all 45 rounds of ammo I had on my person into a bag. They then put me in the back of the squad car and begin to question me about the kids in the backseat of my car. I told them they were my kids and I was taking them home. They start asking if I kidnapped them from my ex, red my miranda rights and refused to tell me why I was handcuffed in the back of the squad car. After 20min they told me I was not under arrest and still would not tell me what was going on. After 45min they told my car was suspected in a hit and run. This whole time they did not talk to my kids to let them know everything would be fine. After a hour they let me go said it was a mistake in identity and handed the zip lock bag with my side arm, ammo, and empty mags back to me and said have a nice day, no apology. It took them 1 hour to tell me what was going on as they were letting me out of the back of the car.

        I was trained at the police academy that when you detain someone you have to let them know right then and there why they are being detained. They told me I was not under arest nor was I being detained locked in the back of the car with handcuffs on being read my miranda rights.

        I guess now I should consider myself lucky I did not get shot as this was 2yrs ago.

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        • Adam February 11, 2012, 12:19 pm

          Their actions were improper. If they are reading your Miranda Rights to you, that means you are in custody. A normal investigative detention is approximately 15-20 minutes and is for the purpose of determining whether there is probable cause you committed or are about to commit a crime. There is no reason for a detention to last over an hour.

          You have a lawsuit if you wish for their violation of your rights. Even if they tell you, you are not under arrest. By their actions, they showed that you were in fact under arrest. They handcuffed you, moved you to their car, kept you there for an hour and read you your Miranda Rights. Your Miranda Rights only come into play if you are “In Custody and being Interrogated.”

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          • sam February 12, 2012, 12:58 am

            dude, you don’t get it! they don’t have to follow the fucking rules. they can do whatever they want. they won’t get into trouble. their union rep will back them up. the judge will allow them to lie. the prosecutor will suborn their perjury.

            quit lying to yourself.

          • Alan June 2, 2015, 10:48 am

            Adam, no doubt you believe that you are correct and others are confused about what the truth is about police officers.

            Unfortunately, you are correct only about yourself. You are unwise to speak to how all police officers are, because you do not know all police officers.

            I am chair of a Civil Service Commission and see you officers differently. I watch them tell little lies at oral boards, all the time; they want those jobs badly.

            Since they want it, the little lies are self-justifiable.

            Where does that lead? To bullies and liars on the force. And consider that: the “force”. That is not a benign label.

            Cream rises, and scum floats. Not all police officers are cream, my friend. This article is not about you unless you make it so.

            The 4th amendment is/was designed to protect the citizenry from the asymmetrical “force” of the state,and reinforced the English doctrine of” a home is one’s castle”. It requires that searches be reasonable to the searchee, and that accusations and items suspected be described in detail. And police (or soldiers) had to wait for the door to be opened. No knock and general warrants were something our colonial ancestors had to deal with and guess what?

            It started a revolution, along with the rest of the crap handed down by a detached and distant administering government.

            Which side will you be on?

    • Veridical Driver February 10, 2012, 4:15 pm

      So, a report commissioned by the police and their lawyers, exonerated the police. Surprise, surprise!

      In other news, OJ’s lawyers say the evidence proves he wasn’t guilty.

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      • Slobyskya Rotchikokov February 11, 2012, 1:35 am

        Driver – I hear that Eric Holder now has offered secret evidence that not only did OJ not murder them, but that they committed suicide with his knife, to purposely blame him because they were racist.

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        • T.R. February 15, 2012, 7:41 pm

          I think he did it .

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    • JSW February 10, 2012, 9:37 pm

      He did not fire his weapon: it was still on safe when the pictures were taken, his blood all over it. So what if it was pointed at them- what provocation did he give for them to shoot? “His rifle was pointed at me…” what a poor excuse from someone covered in armor fronted by a shield.
      Earlier, you said it’s illegal to research surveillance cars… If an unmarked car is following me on a regular basis, I’m going to find out who it is- which means a license plate check. That isn’t research, it’s being safe.
      Since we’re on the topic of Guerena: how many officers does it take to serve a warrant on a man- according to your tactics- was known to be getting off work and heading for bed?
      Why not arrest him as he left work? Or outside the house? Or at a grocer’s?
      Lawyers protecting their food source is all those affidavits prove. Jose Guerena was murdered by a bunch of thugs proving they don’t approve the Constitution and their oath to it is meaningless, just as it is for Holder and his GunWalking cronies.

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      • Slobyskya Rotchikokov February 11, 2012, 1:33 am

        Well said JSW – when the same type of murderers as those were in action at Waco, if they had wanted to arrest Koresh, he went into town almost every day to have coffee in cafe, unarmed. Simple matter to arrest him alone, take to court; but then they could not have joy of killing and burning alive women and children. Likewise, if Guerena was drug dealer, he went out of the house, went to work every day. Simply to pick him up, take in and arrest. But then, KGB thugs not get the chance to murder him in cold blood and brag to their buddies. And in many videos brave KGB or Stasi troops shoot little dogs, poodle, terriers, while children scream. This is what makes them feel that they are men. I spit on them all.

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      • HQ5thMar February 11, 2012, 8:10 am

        If the weapon is pointed at me I am going to shoot. Pointing a weapon at a LOE or anyong for that matter is enough to be shot. You point a weapon at me I am not going to ask you to show me the safety I am going to shoot. I am not going to take the time it takes you to pull the trigger first to even see if it is loaded.

        I have been harrased by the law on different occasions. One lasted a week, for doing my job as security and asking a LEO to do the same. After I was struck by the vehicle a perp fleeing the seen of an assault. He refused so I took it to his boss and he showed back up and took my report. After that I was followed by LEO’s for a week. I could look outside my house and see marked squad cars parked or driving by my residence. When I left they would follow me for 5-10 miles. And I live in the country. Normally to see the law out there is rare but for this week it was all the time. They pulled me over once because they said my muffler was modified. Where I live in the country there is no law against such a thing, not even an ordinance. I do not have to pass emissions where I live, and if by modified he meant it fell off years ago?

        Even after all this I support LEO’s I know they have a hard job. I know they are under appreciated. I have many friends that work for the city PD near where I live. So as I was saying if he had the weapon pointed at the police they had the right to shoot. I think it was a bit overkill on their part. Especially the one that came running over and tried squeezing his way in so he could shoot too. Also did anyone else notice the shot that was fired after all the shooting was over? What was with that? Even though I support LOE’s for the most part. I do think there is a problem with the way they are handling things. If they kick in my door I will be the next prior service Marine on the news that had a shoot out with cops. Come to my door knock and serve me a warrant and we will be fine but kick in my door and we will be sharing more than words.

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      • Adam February 11, 2012, 12:29 pm

        If you see something suspicious, why wouldn’t you tell the police there is a strange car following you around? If you were to research the license plate, there are ways to do it legally.

        If you were to have one of your friends in the DMV run the license plate to see who was running surveillance on you, that is against the law as the person running the license plate has no legal reason to do so. It is to prevent unauthorized use of the DMV system. It has happened in the past (which is why there are now policies and procedures to prevent it in place) that officers have run license plates of attractive girls so they can find out where they live so they can either follow them or ask them out, etc. Once they get found out, they get fired very quickly for abuse of the DMV system.

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        • Walt February 11, 2012, 1:50 pm

          Stalking is a crime, not just grounds for dismissal. Police typically get this second-layer of ‘justice’ in our county, if there crimes aren’t just sweep under the rug by internal review altogether. Want some links? I’d be happy to oblige.

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          • Jason February 13, 2012, 2:23 pm

            Oblige, oblige Walt! I read the other links you posted & found them quite interesting. One in particular was the video that said a Rodney King beating happens everyday here in the US.

            As a young man I stood up for the Constitution, protested legally & debated those in power (although it was way too easy to prove these guys wrong) & witnessed much police brutality back in the late 60’s & early 70’s. One thing I know for sure is law enforcement has turned into exactly that IN-FORCE-MEANT of the law.

            I was able to get away with much because I understood how not to pose a physical threat & learned how to work their misguided, shallow beliefs back against them. I threatened plenty but never arrested.

            Remember, Newton’s Law of Motion (F=ma) proved that for every action there is an equal & opposite reaction and that applies here perfectly.

          • PS February 13, 2012, 2:27 pm

            Oops! I meant to say “I WAS threatened plenty but never arrested”.

            Had to correct this quickly before 1 Adam 12 took it to task!

          • Walt February 15, 2012, 6:56 am

            Hey Jason, just saw your response. I was trying to highlight the fact that crimes committed by police are usually covered up internally, or often with the cops only getting fired instead of charged with a crime if they can’t cover it up. Just one of many problems I see with law enforcement in the US.

            But, for the “best” police misconduct/use of force videos of 2011, check out this page (and vote for your favorite): http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com/?page_id=5064

          • T.R. February 15, 2012, 7:45 pm

            Yeah , and I have a big problem of them getting special treatment if they are convicted instead of being put into the general population like everybody else !

  • Brad in South FL February 10, 2012, 3:14 pm

    I have worked in law Enforcement for over 15 years in south FL. yes there are dumb knuckleheads that are cops. I have to tell you that I have lost too many friends in the line of duty because of scumbags. There is a time and a place for every type of response. There is a place for the “No Knock Warrant”. You don’t need it all the time. And for all that is sacred if you have a warrant please make sure it is the right freaking address. I can’t tell you how many times people have fought or tried to get away from me. I also have to say that I have been told “you’re the nicest guy who ever arrested me”! I always find that funny! I know people who responded to the Judge’s Family house, there was a report of a burglary in progress to an occupied house, of course they were gung ho. When all the people came out the deputies needed to control the situation and then all of the people outside started yelling at the deputies. It is common for people in neighborhoods to come outside and distract the deputies so the bad guys get away! Not saying it was handled the best way but don’t rely on the local media for their side of the story and the Judge in question has always liked to hear her own voice and see her name in print!

    Stay Safe All.

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    • Veridical Driver February 10, 2012, 4:11 pm

      No knock warrants make doing searches more dangerous for police, not less.

      The justification for no-knock warrants are that a suspect might flush drugs down the toilet or otherwise dispose of evidence, not the safety of the officers involved.

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  • Novice February 10, 2012, 3:28 pm

    Unfortunately we are heading closer to a police state but, it’s more of our own doing than the governments. George Washington said you can’t have national liberty apart from religious principle. We have fallen so far from our once moral and just beginning that we now NEED the government to protect us from ourselves. Most people don’t have enough respect for their neighbor’s rights to be allowed to live freely next to that neighbor. Unless we repent and learn to self govern again (individually, not collectively) we will see more of this type of law enforcement.

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    • Dr Dug February 13, 2012, 2:59 pm

      Great point. It starts from within. I know it sounds cheesy, but it is the truth. “No success can compensate for failure in the home.”

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  • Rusco February 10, 2012, 3:44 pm

    Actually I see the increase in religion as a move towards a more authoritarian state. The last thing we need is another Iran.

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    • JSW February 10, 2012, 9:41 pm

      LOL- and with what, if any thing, do you propose we replace it with? Shariah?
      What do you use as a moral code? Reader’s Digest?
      LOL, that was funny. Well, not really.

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      • Loose Cannon February 12, 2012, 10:37 am

        How about the Constitution? That’s part of the problem…We will NEVER band together as we cannot agree to disagree with each other. Did you pull Shaiah Law out just because it sounds scary? How about he same Christain morals and laws as applied during the Inquisition? No? Then how about the Witch hunts? I’m sure we can go back and forth ad infinitum about how religion IN GENERAL has cost more souls than it has saved…Soon we are going to have to band together, ALL of us who do dearly love our country and stand up to that which is wrong! Until we get past the “They’re not after me” we are ALL doomed to be picked off…1 by 1.

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        • JSW February 14, 2012, 2:02 am

          Loose- No, I didn’t throw shariah out there because it sounds scary: I used it because that is basically an ‘authoritarian’ state.
          The Constitution is a remarkable piece of work delineating a country’s responsibilities from both citizen and government.
          But it is not a ‘moral code’. Nor should government be allowed to legislate morality in any way, shape or form. (That they’re doing it now is a big reason we’re in the mess we’re in.)
          For one to have a moral code, one needs a higher authority, higher even than government. And for America, that higher authority is God. Not religion, but God, and His rules for living, i.e: the Ten Commandments.
          You ask about the morals used for the Inquisition and witch hunts- as though those are indicative of proper, God fearing morals and how we should all behave. (It’s typical of non-believers to throw those into the discussion, just as anti-gun people throw out ‘for the children’ BS.) To even pretend that’s how Christians think/believe is to believe in the tooth fairy being the bringer of money.
          Yes, the day is very close that Patriots will have to stand together, but I fail to see where that is related to the Crusades or the Inquisition or witch hunting, let alone God-like behavior. We will be fighting for a way of life, a form of government, that is based on Judeo-Christian principals, whether we believe them or not. Not an authoritarian state.
          Thank you.

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          • Loose Cannon February 20, 2012, 9:37 am

            JSW…my apologies then sir…I mis-interpreted your intent (I guess the written word doesn’t exactly allow for inflection, sarcasm etc.). I was trying to make the point of religion and politics should never be mixed together, and that whenever someone wants to “scare” folks into doing things their way, Sharia Law comes up. At least we can agree on the one point…again my apologies.

    • Novice February 13, 2012, 1:41 pm

      I’m not talking about giving one religion any kind of rule in an authoritarian state. I’m talking about the personal accountability that comes when one chooses to answer to a higher power rather than whatever feels good to him.

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      • JSW February 14, 2012, 2:13 am

        Right. As I said to Loose, sharia is an authoritarian system of governing.
        When it comes to ‘personal accountability’, it helps if all persons involved are coming from the same starting point, using the same definition for the words they use. In my reading the Constitution, and the Bible for that matter, I find the authors were very precise in the words they used. What better way to prevent misunderstanding?
        But today, when two people sit to talk, they must first define the words being used so to prevent miscommunication. That fault is part of our educational system, part of our social and regional upbringing. People in Georgia, for example, have a whole different language than people in Oregon, even though both groups speak ‘English’ (I chuckle at that, because Canadians don’t understand us, let alone Brits).
        As to ‘whatever feels god to them’, we don’t want to be living life like that: it’s another reqason we’re where we are today. And as you say, we will surely answer for it.

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  • Veridical Driver February 10, 2012, 4:13 pm

    When ordinary people are afraid of the police, that is a police state.

    Thus, we have a police state.

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    • Jason February 10, 2012, 4:30 pm

      Do you smell a revolution on the coming on?

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      • JohnDoe1999 February 10, 2012, 5:23 pm

        If the FBI considers self reliance and constitutionalism to be a threat, then they are correct. No further commentary at this time.

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    • Keyla June 23, 2016, 10:10 am

      Arilctes like this just make me want to visit your website even more.

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  • Michael February 10, 2012, 6:35 pm

    “Are we living in a police state?”
    No. But, the people we elect to run our cities, counties, states and nation have made some really bad choices over the last 30 years that have resulted in us having a police force that’s badly matched towards what are needs are. But, this isn’t just about the police, suburbanization, no one knowing who their neighbors are, and people living in one community and working as police in another all play into this.

    “Is The Militarization of Police Necessary?”
    Nope, At least not to the degree that it is today. But, it’s made a lot of people really rich as has the privatization of the prison system. Police retirement funds are big investors in private prisons, btw.

    I’m betting on everyone of those door kicked entries if the police had handled it old school and just surrounded the place and go on the PA “come out with your hands up ” no one would have gotten killed. Maybe a little weed would have been flushed down the toilet, but that’s a better outcome than someone getting killed.

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  • Rescue7 February 10, 2012, 7:29 pm

    There are many people in positions of authority that abuse their power… Most police officers do a good job. Some are absolutely awful. Just as some teachers, pastors, and drill instructors are. We should never forget that basic standards are a vital requirement and should never hesitate to reassign or fire those who fail horribly in meeting those standards. Leadership is at fault for poor training and further lack of spine in not reassigning or firing those involved in such cases. In Afghanistan the soft knock was adopted because of all the bad feelings about cases such as above and worse. Wrong house, bad intel, false witness… So, proper training and a change in tactics is in order. A few PTSD cases are from the good guys going in and taking out innocent people. I’m sure the same has occurred with police officers. It even happens in righteous shootings. 2 of the officers at the LA BofA shoot out committed suicide. PTSD is no joke… It ruins lives.

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    • kevin February 12, 2012, 8:28 pm

      your last line said it very well i know what ptsd does to people and familys all to well its ruined my life

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  • Slobyskya Rotchikokov February 10, 2012, 7:41 pm

    If you have also read David Codrea’s “Only Ones” series, you know of hundreds of these events occur regularly; and this one –
    http://ogdaa.blogspot.com/2012/02/i-dont-have-time-to-play-this.html
    and the five subhuman swine who beat a diabetic man in a coma then kicked his head in as he lay on the ground –
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OLQMImO5N0
    Watch the rage and sexual energy as they repeatedly beat and kick his limp body.
    In recent years, the police in many states have been recruiting mentally ill, psychotic, sociopathic KGB wannabes, or more like Stasi wannabes. They have psycho-sexual derangements and obtain stimulation by terrorizing people. I know what Stasi were like, these are worse. Why, you ask? Because –
    In THIS country, these pig dropping pretend to take vow to defend US Constitution – so they are liars and traitors as well as perverts and cowards. Never do they pick on armed people, criminals, like their television counterparts – only the innocent, law abiding or sleeping, women and children. So here is my answer –
    No they do not need all the military gear; no they should net be allowed to play soldier boy. If they want to really fight and shoot, go to Mexico, or iraq, or go be mercenary. But you are not fit to wear badge and live among human beings, you are cowards and sadists.

    As for me – if I meet you on the street, whether you are police, farmer, merchant, doctor, housewife – whatever you are, I will be courteous to you and kind, will meet you like a human being. Extend friendship and trust to you. IF you come into my home uninvited, again I do not care who you think you are, you will die. Whether you in wrong house, or whether you are drug-gang wearing those fake BI jackets you buy online, if you enter my house you are not wanted and you are not allowed to endanger me or family. You will die. Every member of my household knows that you will try to kill us for whatever reason amuses you, you have shown us this. So every person in this household is good with self-defense and will ALL fight and defend until you and all your conspirators are dead, or we are all dead. Makes no difference. We have lived through worse than you know, and we do not fear you.
    We spit on you, You obey the LAW# and we will do also.

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    • Jason February 12, 2012, 10:11 pm

      Really, sound like you might be a little off yourself buddy.

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      • JSW February 14, 2012, 2:24 am

        Slobyskya sounds perfectly rational to me, Jason. All he’s saying is the same as every other self-determining/sovereign person: Be polite to all you meet, never touch another uninvited, let no one touch you uninvited, watch the hands, and have a plan to kill every one who tries to kill you.
        Simple, really.

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        • The real Jason February 14, 2012, 10:43 am

          Sounds like this Jason impostor is trying to get a rise out of this guy in my name! Everybody knows I don’t need any help in that department.

          BTW Shy III, I’ve always liked your level headed comments and must ask you for some help … and this is embarrassing, even for a dumb 1/2 Irishman like me BUT …

          “Slobyskya” I got the first part but cannot figure out skya. Have a good laugh then help, please! I hate puzzles I cannot solve!

          I’ve been known to miss the incredibly obvious … :-)

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          • PS February 14, 2012, 10:44 am

            …. did I really hit the submit button for this?

          • lance December 3, 2015, 12:18 pm

            Yes you did:)

  • Pastor James February 10, 2012, 9:03 pm

    I have a police officer living on one side of me, and a county deputy living on the other. I have the cell phone and home phone number of the sheriff of our county and he has mine. as well as our local GBI field agent in charge. If I have need to be questioned or arrested, all they have to do is call me, and tell me they are coming for me. I will tell them not to bother, I will meet them at the jail, to save the taxpayers the money for the gas they would use to come to my house. With that being said, I have told all three if at any time they or another agency busts through my door, they will be met with as much firepower as I can muster. And I keep quite a lot on hand. I have no illusion of invincibility, I know that I will likely die in the firefight, but they must understand that the first, second and possibly the third person through my door WILL be shot, WILL be injured, and likely WILL be killed as well. I am not completely familiar with the procedures involving federal agencies, but I believe they have to advise the local law enforcement of what is going on before they can act on an individual within a county jurisdiction. It is my prayer that the sheriff would hold them at bay, and give me the opportunity to come peacefully, without bloodshed, but if they bust in my door, it would certainly behoove them to know what they are getting in to.

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    • Jason February 10, 2012, 9:39 pm

      Now that’s Christianity in action for ya!

      Sheesh …..

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      • Slobyskya Rotchikokov February 11, 2012, 1:25 am

        As matter of fact it is; both in Orthodox Christianity and also Judaism, man is ordained by God to protect his family; he is to serve as defender. If some person breaks in, the man must assume that the person is not coming to deliver a pizza or a sweepstakes check; he MUST assume that his family is threatened. And following Christ does not mean a man rolls over and cowers like beaten dog while he waits to see what will become of his family.

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        • Jason February 11, 2012, 2:42 am

          Ah yes … another misses the contextual point, are people really becoming this myopic these days?

          Let me help you my little Russian friend …

          a Pastor stands at the pulpit in cammies, holds up his M4 high over his head showing the large congregation & proclaims “defend thy home with little Betsy here!”

          Maybe you don’t see juxtapositional scenario painted by Pastor James but it seemed a bit obvious to me. Also, maybe a closer study of the Old Testament could prove to be a bit more helpful with applications to today.

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          • Slobyskya Rotchikokov February 11, 2012, 12:50 pm

            Your ‘little Russian friend’ thanks you for your patronizing and exemplayr theological expertise; I had totally missed the part where the Pastor said he wore camouflage and raised his rifle before the congregation. I must indeed be myopic – or you are perhaps a bit delusional?

          • Jason February 11, 2012, 2:15 pm

            This was a tongue in cheek illustration to pinpoint a juxtaposition, can you not see the dichotomy? Also, you may have noticed I said “a pastor” not the pastor.

            Myopathy is best described as …. never mind, you’d probably miss it.

            Now that’s funny!

        • Bobby Joe February 12, 2012, 10:17 pm

          WTH you some commie with a name like SLOBSYKYA ROTCHIKOKOV.

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          • JSW February 14, 2012, 2:27 am

            ROFLMBO, Bobby Joe– take a deep breath, read the name slowly, say it out loud a few times slowly, then speed it up. I think you’ll find a whole new meaning to his name. LOL.

  • Pastor James February 10, 2012, 10:19 pm

    I didn’t get to finish my remarks due to being at work, and getting a call. So I will finish now.
    My home is my fortress, my castle, and my property. I abide by the law, do the speed limit, I don’t steal, I don’t use or sell drugs, and I don’t do other things that would cause any agency to tap me as someone they have need to be suspicious of. Not to mention, that my neighbors and can come to my door, knock, and be invited in as a friend. Therefore, like the people in the illustration, if someone comes into my home uninvited with force, I take that as a direct threat to me and my family, and I will defend myself and those I care about with the utmost force that I can muster. You look in the Bible, and you will find the same mentality throughout. Invaders were not welcome, and walls were built to keep those types out. And the ancients defended their property against those that would kill, steal, and otherwise harm them.
    If that bothers you, well, I won’t apologize for it. Defending myself and my family is as ingrained in my Marine Security minded brain as breathing. I won’t go looking for a fight, but if I must fight, then I believe in absolute force of violence.

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    • Slobyskya Rotchikokov February 11, 2012, 1:21 am

      Pastor, if I was nearby you, I would cover your back as well. You have fortitude and decency.

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      • David February 12, 2012, 10:20 pm

        Thank God you do not live near me SR!

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    • Jason February 11, 2012, 3:00 am

      “I obey the laws, give to the poor, pay my taxes, lead people to Christ but God damn it – if someone breaks into my house, I’m blowing a double-aught hole in ’em & ask questions later, praise Jesus! Do I hear an amen brothers & sisters??!!”

      Ah … yes, well … maybe I stepped into the wrong church here … what page are we on?

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      • HQ5thMar February 11, 2012, 8:29 am

        LOL, you break into my house and I will not lead you to God but I will send you to meet him.

        Of course if it is S.W.A.T. breaking in then I will most likely be standing next to one or more of you before God.

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        • Jason February 11, 2012, 11:23 am

          “This brother speaketh the truuuuuth. Let us laaaaay hands on him-a & proclaim that the Lord is great! Come on say hallelujah, with me brothers & sisters!”

          Sometimes “religious” zeal & fervor is mistaken for, used as justification to the driving motivation of valor.

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          • riverrider February 11, 2012, 11:56 am

            “praise the lord and pass the ammunition”

          • Jason February 11, 2012, 12:12 pm

            River – I laughed outloud & can hardly type… !!!!!

    • Buffy June 23, 2016, 10:16 am

      So that’s the case? Quite a revoiatlen that is.

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  • jerry February 10, 2012, 10:55 pm

    I don’t know how to respond to the postings here. I’m a twenty year retired trooper and one of the reasons I left the job was the attitude of the general public. It’s almost as if people want the police to pack up and go home, forget about enforcing any laws. I would like to see a study on the number of home invasion robberies compared to the police making a mistake on a no knock warrant arrest over the course of a year.
    The original article started as a police make a mistake what are you going to do question. And changed into a I hate the police board. It’s a sad state of affairs as all the people I worked with were great people who were not out there looking to create problems for the regular good people
    Police state? Hardly. If it gets to that point most if not all officers I know will be home looking after family.

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    • Veridical Driver February 10, 2012, 11:55 pm

      When virtually all Americans, Conservatives, Liberals, Libertarians, Socialists, young people, old people, black people, white people, hate and fear you… maybe, just maybe, you are doing something to cause it… you think?

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      • Slobyskya Rotchikokov February 11, 2012, 1:22 am

        Driver – well stated!

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      • John February 12, 2012, 4:30 am

        Maybe the police aren’t doing anything wrong at all. Maybe the media is, maybe scandal, shock and awe sell, and maybe the public is buying. If you really understood the police, you’d understand what I’m talking about. Obviously, you’re one that watches television.

        What I find, is that when I hear decent, good, hardworking people say they hate the police, and that the police are evil, militarized, corrupt, brutal, etc., I simply ask them a question…..I ask them to ignore everything they have heard, and ask themselves this question:

        How have the police negatively impacted YOUR life? How have YOU personally been affected? Not somebody on TV, not a friend of a friend, not your neighbor, but YOU? I have NEVER received an answer. If I do receive and answer, it usually starts with..”I did something I shoudn’t have and it was ____”.

        The true reality is, that if you stay fairly law abiding, the police won’t ever break down your door, harass you, beat you or any of the other things you hear about on TV. Mistakes do happen, cops are bad cops sometimes, but the majority of the time, decent people aren’t effected in the least by the police. I stand by this statement.

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        • HQ5thMar February 12, 2012, 1:14 pm

          John,
          I would like to believe you. I already gave one story where I did nothing wrong and got harassed. The second story I generalized what happened. So incase you missed my first story here are the details on the second.

          I was working security. Two cars come into my parking lot and a girl gets out of one car and starts yelling at the other. A guy gets out of the second car, grabs her by the throat and starts beating her. Her friends get out of the car and start yelling at him to stop. I come over and he starts to run. I gave pursuit and he jumped into his car, drove through me and fled the scene. I called 911 and a reported the make, model and plates. Deputies are on site in a matter of minutes. They “listen” to my story. I tell the office in charge that I want to press charges. He tells me he will not because I should not have been in front of the vehicle. It does not matter that the perp intentionally hit me. I reported this to my Sgt. it goes up to my Capt. and he call the Sherriff. The deputy comes back out to my work and tells me I have caused him a lot of trouble so he will take my report. I comply and give him a copy of my report. He then tells me he still not pursue this any further. Even though hitting a uniformed security officer in this state is the same as hitting a police officer.

          Sfter that for a week I had deputies outside my house in the country, following me when I left the house and pulling me over for BS reasons and every time they pulled me over they would ask what site I was working that night and would drive through my site multiple times.

          Now as you stand by your statement that if “I stay “fairly” law abiding, the police won’t EVER break down my door, HARASS me, beat me or any of the other things I hear about on TV.” Well in my case I was a little more than fairly law abiding, I was upholding the law. So yes I did do something I shouldn’t have, I expected the LEO to do his job.

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          • John February 12, 2012, 1:40 pm

            Maybe, just maybe, you shouldn’t have been trying to play police.

          • HQ5thMar February 14, 2012, 5:41 pm

            It was my job. I work in security. I provide security to my assigned site. I protect all those on my site. I enforce the law on my site. I am given handcuffs, pepperspray, a baton and sent to plaice accademy to learn how to use it all. I carry and state license to do everything listed above.

            If I was a secretary I would do my job there. I would not stop using the computer because a detective uses a computer.

    • Anonymous February 11, 2012, 2:15 am

      Think about… If something like that ever happened to you or your family you might have fear and distrust of the incompitant people in possitions of power. So how can a regular citizen tell the difference between as good cop and an f’ing idiot? Fear causes distrust. You can’t force anyone to trust you… You earn peoples trust. Once it’s lost it takes a lot of hard work to earn it back. If you are upset with anyone you should be upset with the idiots that undermine the trust in good officers and their ineffective “leaders”.

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    • Anonymous February 11, 2012, 12:02 pm

      “home invasion robberies”..thats part of my point. police have to remember that people are citizens number one, and that we see HIR’s everyday on the news. so when you guys come barging in unannounced we think we’re being robbed. what’s wrong with arresting me on the street, or at work or wherever rather than allow me to get to my home full of weapons? what ever happened to TALKING to people?

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      • Adam February 11, 2012, 12:23 pm

        Home invasion robberies are typically drug related. The exception would be if you have a home jewelry, gold, or similar business where you need to be home for them to steal your stuff.

        The vast majority of home invasions are drug rip offs.

        The Guerena one was not a no-knock warrant. There were lights, sirens, and announcements in English and Spanish. The wife knew they were the SWAT team. The reason they did it at the house was because it was a SEARCH warrant, not an arrest warrant. They were searching the house, not the people.

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        • riverrider February 12, 2012, 11:12 am

          drug related? maybe where you are. here they are overwhelmingly intended robberies, mostly elderly couples in fairly nice neighborhoods. most end in one or more fatality or at least hospitalization. hey, i love law enforcement. spent the early part of my life in pursuit of it. since then things have changed. i have been profile stopped on several occasions because i had a boat hooked to my truck, treated coarsely every time. once, apon showing my ccp as required, the officer dragged me out of the truck, tossed me over the hood of my truck, unloaded my gun AND all mags into the dirt, while keeping me spread eagle for everyone to see. why? tested me for dui, passed of course. he got really shitty then. i finally told him i was a former trooper and knew his first sergeant personally. he turned white and told me to get on down the road. i told him he was one more shitty comment from an ass whipping. really pissed him off when i petted his prized K9, and the dog let me:) another time i was at a boat ramp, canoe in my truck, eating a sausage biscuit when a young trooper came screeching up behind me felony stop style. asked me what i was doing there? i mean really? did you not see the big green boat hanging out of my trucks ass? i said ” dang, officer you got me. i was just about to float a canoe full of cocaine down the river to richmond but you are just too sharp for me”. it went downhill from there:) just saying there are enough bad cops out there to taint the whole profession and something needs to change. most revolts are tripped off by a poor police reaction to a minor problem.

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          • Jason February 12, 2012, 2:53 pm

            That’ll teach you for eating a sausage biscuit instead of a donut. Didn’t remember anything from your Trooper training?

            Also, I hope you told the First Sergeant about his doofus patrolman.

          • riverrider February 13, 2012, 9:09 am

            jason, dang i knew i musta been doing something wrong. its donuts from now on when i go boating….i know i should have reported him, but i decided to cool down before i called and eventually it wasn’t a big enough deal to fool with it. nothing would happen anyway. back when i was on the job, even a complaint that was proven “unfounded” went in your record. a few of them and you had some explaining to do in the front office, the one with the carpet.

  • jamie February 10, 2012, 11:30 pm

    If someone breaks down my door I will shoot to kill. I don’t want to kill any cops and I know it will be just a low ranking cop following orders that will pay the price and I hate it. Instead of blaming the citizen perhaps the police need to ask who are giving out these no-knock warrants and why?

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  • T.R. February 11, 2012, 12:48 am

    How hard is it to put surveillance on suspected people first ? it ISNT !!!!!
    Good thing is that there have also been many successful law suits about this . Not checking a suspect out first is just plain bad police work , especially when the source is of questionable character to begin with . At the very least you can do 2 things . Report it to the local paper and TV stations , then take the city or even other agencies to small claims court for damages . Big companies have been made to pay in this fashion . Honda recently lost in small claims court .

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  • sirlancelot February 11, 2012, 2:16 am

    kind of disturbing to see this thread on SHTF Blog stopped visiting a site recently because of the “shoot the JBT’s ” nonsense.

    let’s not forget that the DHS actively monitors sites like this for any “suspicious activity” calling for the murder of police officers will red flag this place in a hurry.

    lived most of my life in a large city where the cops had more important things to do than raid homes on BS warrants. did get into some trouble when my family moved out of the city for a “better life”. was a young rebel and wasn’t use to the small town mentality so moved back to the city for better pay and less hassles

    now living in a small town again , but drive the speed limit, pay me taxes and live a lawful life. have zero problems and that goes for 99% of the people around me. nothings perfect, truck drivers run over people, construction workers get killed by crane operators and doctors still kill more people every year than anybody else, but no one is calling for their death.

    every profession has it’s problem children and cops are no different.

    in the unlikely event the police come to your door at 0-dark thirty, go prone on the floor, don’t move, wear the bracelets for a few minutes and they’ll be off in 5 minutes if in fact they did make a make happenedke.

    happned to a local deputy here. flash bangs and cuffed face down on his front lawn. not fun , but keeping a cool head means we all go home safely at the end of the day.

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    • T.R. February 11, 2012, 11:18 am

      Thats why Im voting for Ron Paul , among other things he wants to get rid of , is all the alphabet soups and only keep the CIA for international and the FBI for national …….. thats it ! dont ned more .
      Let the local cops handle the rest .

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  • AmericanT February 11, 2012, 2:20 am

    I’m not one to post on sites I visit, but this warrants a response.

    Its a given that any officer of the law would not be able to understand the attitude, that Id say a majority of, the public has towards them. They are in a major position of power, whether its acknowledged or not, that provides them with protections, from themselves, even the law itself..
    In that, the cocky condescending indifference comes. The public they are to serve, more often than not, feels the bite of it. And please this does not pertain to criminals, but to the average person pulled over for a broken tail light, going a few miles over the speed limit, living in a bad neighborhood, it can go on………. The sheer Disrespect! Shown to people, Is ridiculous. Imposing figures, there to try their damnedest, to catch you breaking the law, not to protect you from those breaking the law!

    Just remember this folks, In interactions with cops, they are there to prove your guilt, not your innocence…………. Until this changes. Nothing is going to change…..

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    • Anonymous February 11, 2012, 2:48 am

      +100

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    • Anonymous February 18, 2012, 10:14 pm

      Your brain seep out while you were sleeping?

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  • sirlancelot February 11, 2012, 2:24 am

    bloody spell check !

    (if in fact they did make a make happenedke)
    correction
    —————————————————–
    if in fact they did make a mistake

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  • Post Apocalyptic February 12, 2012, 12:22 pm

    Oh man, you really struck a nerve. I am familiar with most of these articles you linked to and I really have seen this steadly slide towards authoritarianism going on for quite some time. Now with NDAA being signed into law we really have seen the destruction of American principles at the behest of “common sense”.

    I really think the only major figure that understands that these principles are being usurped is Ron Paul.

    Anyway, I love the blog man you write lengthy informative articles unlike some of these content farms of people capitalizing on panic. Keep up the good work.

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    • Jason February 12, 2012, 2:33 pm

      You said & could not agree more:

      “Anyway, I love the blog man you write lengthy informative articles UNLIKE some of these content farms of people capitalizing on panic. Keep up the good work.”

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  • Adam February 12, 2012, 2:03 pm

    Here is an interesting paper done a few years ago: http://www.aele.org/law/2007-04MLJ501.pdf

    Yes, I agree there are some bad cops out there. There are some cops who are disrespectful and arrogant. There was a State Trooper here who told an off duty uniformed local officer who stopped to help him that if he saw him driving on the shoulder again, he would write him a ticket. Personally, I’d have called him a few choice names and then notified his chain of command.

    What shocks and dismays me is that “normal” people are so anti police now. For those that complain about the diabetic, did the police know he was a diabetic? Nope. As soon as they realized he might be diabetic, they called an ambulance and had him treated. But I would also argue that someone who is suffering hypoglycemia is just as much of a danger to others as a drunk driver. Would your comments be any different if it was a drunk driver? Did the one officer kick him in the head or the shoulder? Do you know positively where he was kicked? Don’t go by the news because the news is trying to sell papers and will sensationalize everything.

    Do I think DHS should monitor sites like this? No. I think that is an overreach. People hate the police because they catch them doing something wrong. Yes, a broken taillight or speeding is wrong. Do I do it? Yes I do. My personal motto is that I won’t write you a ticket for what I do myself. If I speed 10mph over, then I won’t write you until it’s over 15mph. If I don’t use a turn signal, I won’t pull you over for it either. The broad generalizations people here are painting the police with is disheartening because it makes our job that much harder. Most cops I talk with are appalled with the NDAA. But the police didn’t make that law, Congress did.

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    • Jason February 12, 2012, 6:45 pm

      That is such bullshit! The diabetic was thrown to the ground, kicked in the face & kneed while he was clearly outnumbered – they even pulled his left arm anatomically in the wrong direction which would make anybody resist – that is natural.

      However, before that, he was stopped at gunpoint! How many “drunk” drivers, who complied by pulling over requires you to draw your weapon? He is damn lucky he wasn’t shot.

      I wish you’d stop trying to defend these wrongful acts of brutality especially in the case of Jose Guerena. They could have VERY EASILY had waited until he exited his home then arrested him probably without incident.

      You said:

      “What shocks and dismays me is that “normal” people are so anti police now. ” Really, you are shocked? Your contemporaries are creating the hatred & the public is simply reacting to those unmerited acts.

      I am damn glad that video is available & so prevalent these days.

      PS

      That paper was crap because the point of view was clearly tainted.

      Here is an interesting paper done in 1991:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW1ZDIXiuS4

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      • Adam February 12, 2012, 7:50 pm

        I’m glad you brought up the Rodney King thing Jason. It shows your bias. Which of the baton strikes were deemed to be excessive? Out of all the baton strikes, which ones were deemed to be excessive? What did the court say?

        As you obviously did not read any of the Guerena links, I’ll explain quickly. They were NOT trying to arrest Guerena. They were serving a search warrant on his residence looking for evidence of a crime. They used marked police cars, lights, sirens, and announcements before making entry. I’m not saying it was great tactically and couldn’t have been done better. But again, he’s the wrong horse to be backing.

        And I can tell you have never fought someone before who was resisting arrest.

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        • Jason February 12, 2012, 8:12 pm

          Sheesh, are you that thick? What did Darrel Gates say?

          As far as Guerena, I am amazed that SWAT delivers search warrants served up on M4’s these days but hell, what do I know.

          Of course you don’t comment on my comments about the diabetic – shows your bias.

          And if you are trying to say that these are just simply isolated incidents & the public is merely blowing these up out of perspective in order to justify hating cops, you need to step into the other camp for a while.

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          • Adam February 12, 2012, 9:52 pm

            I don’t care what Darrell Gates said. I care what the court says. Which baton strikes were excessive? Not every baton strike was illegal. Would most officers have done what they did? No they would not. The Rodney King beating has influenced police work in this country for over 20 years.

            I have already answered about the diabetic. The officers didn’t know he was diabetic until later. They thought he was drunk and resisting. Would I kick someone in the head? Not for that. But you can’t clearly see him kick him in the head either. If they did, I personally think it’s too much. What led up to the car stopping? If I get into a car chase? Then yes, I approach with my weapon drawn. For a regular drunk, no, it isn’t necessary. Have you ever tried to deal with someone with severe hypoglycemia? They can be very violent. If you aren’t thinking diabetic, then it wouldn’t occur to you until afterward (like what happened.)

          • Jason February 12, 2012, 11:50 pm

            You don’t care what the Chief of Police, an extremely well known hard ass, says after reviewing the video – how precious. You only care what the court says … yea, and OJ did not kill his ex & Goldman – after all, that is what the court said, correct?

            Now imagine you were in Rodney King’s place & received those legal love taps, would you really think it was an excessive beating? You would have had a team of lawyers on them faster than you can say “taze me again big boy & this time put some stink on it”.

            The diabetic …. gun drawn, conflicting messages given to him, yanked out of his car by the Hitler Youth, kicked in the face, kneed in the ribs & cracked them, while subdued & oh, yea, the city paid a quarter million dollars for that act of “resisting arrest” … gee I wonder why? I guess the ER doctors lied about his facial wounds & cracked ribs for a cut of that fat settlement. BTW, please point out to me his act of “violence” – I sorta missed that part.

            Listen ding dong, the video was quite clear & especially liked the very end when one of the SS placed the cup on the back of the car & had a good chuckle.

            Do yourself a favor & get educated – look up ALL of the possible symptoms of hypoglycemia, violence is one of a dozen, which gives him about an 8% chance of being that way. It doesn’t take a math genius to properly assess a situation … unless of course, there is a predisposition to crack some skulls.

            What I find most facinating about your responses is how deeply embedded they are in justifcations. It is ok to look at the other side without the filtered glasses on & the best way to do so is put yourself in the spot of the victim NOT part of the group inflicting the damage.

            What you fail to see is you cannot differentiate right from wrong when you are in a pack or gang mentality. When some violence is perpetrated by you all, you go into CYA & tilt the table mode – you cannot help it as evidenced here.

            Lastly, I did read those links & especially enjoyed the Q & A with Jose Guerena’s widow. It followed the pattern of interrogation 101 & was utterly pathetic. Miranda, miranda, miranda while establishing a hypnotic tone of answering yes, create much agreement & sympathy (language barrier, death, fatherless kids), take advantage of her depression & confusion with the underlying “threat” of authority & so on. Simply shameful but further proves the Police State theory.

            Glad Jason is a fake name … I wouldn’t want to get pulled over or get my door kicked in by the uniformed mad dogs seeking to silence me.

            The only place you’d find the US Constitution in these places is in the men’s stall, mounted on the wall on a roll.

          • PS February 13, 2012, 4:46 am

            Is it normal SOP to deliver a search warrant just “looking for evidence” with a fully loaded & fielded SWAT team?

            Sorry pal but any answer will prove the theory that the police are starting to march to a new boss, which ain’t the same as old boss.

            Sometimes prophecy comes from the strangest places ….

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHtF26woGsY

          • PPS February 13, 2012, 5:06 am

            Shapes of Things

            Shapes of things before my eyes,
            Just teach me to despise.
            Will time make men more wise?
            Here within my lonely frame,
            My eyes just hurt my brain.
            But will it seem the same?

            Come tomorrow, will I be older?
            Come tomorrow, may be a soldier.
            Come tomorrow, may I be bolder than today?

            Now the trees are almost green.
            But will they still be seen?
            When time and tide have been.
            Fall into your passing hands.
            Please don’t destroy these lands.
            Don’t make them desert sands.

            Come tomorrow, will I be older?
            Come tomorrow, may be a soldier.
            Come tomorrow, may I be bolder than today?

            Soon I hope that I will find,
            Thoughts deep within my mind.
            That won’t disgrace my kind.

            The Yardbirds 1965

    • DHS February 12, 2012, 10:24 pm

      We know who you are Adam! Now get back to work and write those tickets.

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  • KC February 12, 2012, 5:06 pm

    Twelve;

    Most succinctly put as your example illustrates, the police state most certainly exists. These trained professionals, couldn’t see that the minor child in question was completely at ease in your custody, but only became unglued after the professionals arrived and made everyone’s life difficult. Not that you need recommendation; however after receiving that level of harassment at the hands of the local Law Enforcement Agency, I would recommend that you and yours depart the area as soon as you are able to gentler climes, where the twenty-first century is actually the reality, instead of the nineteen-seventies.

    God Bless and stay “frosty!”

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  • lacttech February 12, 2012, 8:26 pm

    I must take by force! You all must be shown who is in charge! If you are not the police, you are the criminal!

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  • john February 12, 2012, 8:45 pm

    >the police didn’t make thess is, at law, Congress did.

    Exactly, which is why when some one, correctly, expounds how evil the president is or how corrupt Congress is, then I just say we got the people we deserved. We elected them, they didn’t just fall from heaven to curse us, we cursed ourselves by voting for them, repeatly. I voted for Ross Perot twice when the national debt was “only” 5.9 trillion dollars.

    Think the local police are corrupt, then properly fund them and don’t put them on a quota system for tickets to meet operating expenses. Think you can’t afford their union pensions and benefits, then have a non-union police force and pay them a wage greater then what a UPS driver earns and you will attract better people. Have some respect and throw in a multi-million dollar life insurance policy and pay off their house if they die in the line of duty.

    You take God out of the schools and the public sector, then you get godless people acting evil and everyone is surprised when they reach a position of power. I am pretty much anti-Roman Catholic as related to the church, but, never saw the harm in “fathers” blessing the troops or a police force before a shift.

    Engaging and changing your neighbors goes a longer way sometimes then complaining about the 5% of bad apples at the bottom of the barrel.

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  • Daniel February 13, 2012, 8:38 pm

    Fact: The police will use any lawful strategy, tactic, technique or training to accomplish the task at hand. Modern policing SOP’s are influenced and mandated by the most current statutory and case laws.

    If you want someone to hate/blame, it should not be the law enforcers, but rather the LAW MAKERS (…with police administrators running a close second). Officers and departments only use the techniques allowed by law. Whereas the criminal has no rules, it seems as though the system is giving the criminal element the better chance of success. The cops will see that they get the job done and make sure they all go home…and given the mental status (or lack thereof) of some of the posters here, its no wonder cops leave nothing to chance, plan for every contingency and strike with force…

    Regarding warrants, the typical street cop or swat operator only gets a simplified briefing and issued orders, not a detailed account of how the info came to be…and definitely not a “so how do you feel about this?” and an “are you ok ?”.

    Many people here stressed their right to protect themselves, but clearly fail to see that cops have that same right. If you threaten a cop with his life then you will die, either on site or in the execution chamber.

    With that being said, it is the federal government that one must be concerned with, they are the ones who will take you from your home without just cause, not local/county/state police.

    It is sad to think that a cop would risk everything, to include his life, liberty and family, to aid a stranger…and this is the thanks they get!! If you wonder where the bad cops/cops with bad attitudes/cop vs. civilian attitudes come from, this is it!!!

    I thought that this WAS a good, down-to-earth website to visit. Where down-to-earth, like minded people come to share lifestyle ideas and what-if scenarios. It appears that there are way too many radicals on this site for me.

    WAIT…u mean that the prepper/survival community is, as a whole, associated as militia like, radical, tin foil freaks?

    I CLEARLY SEE WHY!!

    P.S.

    Jason, I hope God gives me the pleasure of destroying you WTSHTF!!

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    • Jason February 17, 2012, 1:28 am

      I love your contradiction – “gee I thought this was a down to earth site full of ….. ”

      Then the grand PS exit … “Jason, I hope God gives me the pleasure of destroying you WTSHTF!!”

      Utterly hopeless.

      What was the title of this article? “Are we living in a police state”. Comments were forthcoming including addressing the obvious & fully documented brutality that exists. Then I get a brainwashed LEO who cannot even see the forest from the trees – even when it is visual & clear.

      Blame the lawmakers – yea, that’s a good one. So I guess that the lawmakers flipped the switch in these guys and caused them to become irresponsible & beat & murder people. If you watched any of the attached videos where the “criminal” clearly submits but then gets beat mercilessly while being being subdued by many, where is the threat to the cop?

      I had friends who worked for the 77th Street Division in L.A. & loved the fact that they could “keep the niggers down” by beating them with their various weapons & clearly get away with it, in fact they thought it was fun.

      Here’s the thing – it happens & happens all of the time because they can hide behind the color of the law & have DA’s & judges back their play – it’s no secret.

      You want to be so weak minded & emotional as to judge this site by a few comments that you find offensive, that’s your prerogative but is no way indicative of the whole. It IS a controversial subject & believe it was a good move by the author to get the juices flowing – even yours.

      PS

      When the SH’sTF, I’ll send you my address & feel free to pay me a visit.

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      • PPS February 17, 2012, 1:37 am

        This quote from Macbeth pretty much sums up my thoughts with inane comments –

        Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow,
        Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
        To the last syllable of recorded time;
        And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
        The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
        Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player
        That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
        And then is heard no more – it is a tale
        Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
        Signifying nothing.

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      • Daniel February 18, 2012, 10:04 am

        I am not brainwashed, weak minded, emotional or offended as you stated. I do see things for what they are. What I see are many people (including you) who are quick to arm-chair quarterback and develope opinions about topics to which they have no knowledge or experience other than what has been spoon fed to them.

        I would love to talk about ” living in a police state”, however, a police state refers to the governmental control of social, economic, religious and political positions of its society. No mention of this has been made. No one commenting on the Patriot Act or NDAA …no one commenting on the governmental influence over the media, health care, entitlement programs, stimulus programs, bail-outs or any other crap the government pulls. All could be argued that they either contribute or at least show signs of a police state. Rather, many people see “police” and a few examples of how not to be the police, and the cop bashing begins…

        But despite the bad cops, I must defend law enforcement as a whole and state that the current methods used by police are perfectly legal, made legal by the law makers, so as I say, blame them. Or you and I for electing them.

        Some are referring to police brutality, excessive force, unjustified entry and questionably/illegally obtained warrants, and as the examples show, is not legal. Such actions should not be tolerated and they could contribute to major civil unrest, should they become more frequent.

        These are two very different topics due to the fact that the state and federal laws DO NOT support this type of police behavior. A police state would imply that the “system” supports and even encourages the police to act in such a manner, among other things. So, as compared to other countries, I do not believe that we are living in a police state YET. I do believe that our system is corrupt and our leaders are either on a power trip or have a personal agenda or both. Unfortunately for everyone, this also applies to the police at times..

        You Sir, spread your one sided opinions as propaganda and then call other people names when you fail to relate to their position.

        This is truly pathetic.

        Instead of whining about it why don’t you don a badge and uniform, get assigned to a beat and start your shift. Do your part to impact the profession in a positive way…

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        • Jason February 23, 2012, 2:03 pm

          Daniel,

          You had an impressive start then blew it.

          Quick sidebar – I had been at the wrong end of police a couple of times so I may have some experience ….

          1. Once for doing nothing wrong but was a case of mistaken identity of me & a few friends. Yea, we got beat with clubs & they discovered they had the wrong guys & drove off. I tried to lodge a complaint the following day & was told to piss off by the desk sergeant – heck I was only 19 & probably deserved.

          2. I was doing my constitutional right to protest – 100% legal, non violent & tossed into the back of the paddy wagon, cuffed with a few others & a gun was drawn & pointed at me then he said – if I tried to escape, he’d shoot me. Hmmm, sounds like a fair measure, eh?

          3. I had defended myself in court with a clear case of “wrongful prosecution”, had the case law, witnesses, evidence to prove my innocence – that is the presumption, right? I’m tall, intelligent, can argue my point with the best of them & won’t be intimidated by the bluffs. I easily won and the judge didn’t even slap the wrist of the cops who later threatened me afterward in the hall.

          My response? I pulled the running tape recorder out of my suit pocket, smiled & said “excuse me?” Those turds never darkened my path again.

          Back on point –

          You speak of the context of a “police state” which, it has really become, but you seem to ignore who are the real enforcers. You want to blame “us” for voting these dopes into the positions as lawmakers but are too blind to see that that we have no real choice. Voting in the past 40 years in this country has become choosing the lesser of evils & is run by money & the media. Right & wrong? That’s become a relative term.

          You get a highly intelligent guy like Ron Paul who speaks truth with clarity & is actually right about what many media pundits label as conspiracy theories. They demonize him, make him look like some old crack pot breathing his last breath & shaking his fist while he sails off into the the Alzheimer sunset. In other words, don’t F with our status quo.

          What you fail to see is what every plumber knows – shit runs downhill. We supposedly vote in the “right” evil, they create laws they which have no intention of following & flush it down to the jackbooted, Stepford type blinded troops. That IS how it works, right?

          You try to use relativism saying, that we aren’t as bad as other countries … are you nuts? We aren’t another country dopey & have a constitution that was clearly drawn up to prevent a police state.

          What do you think the Obama type socialists have been trying to do?? They are slowly, but very surely lowering our bar to level the playing field & use distractions like waving our flag, claiming that we are still the home of the free & brave. Then they put a match to the stars and stripes. Heck, even God has been challenged & eliminated from many public forums in spite of the First Amendment. Can’t you even see that?

          You accuse me of myopia or some form of naiveté because I look at the enforcers with objectivity. I understand full well they have a tough job, but to do something to someone else that they, themselves individually, would have an extreme problem with? Naw, that’s pure & simply wrong – it’s called using the same yardstick with which to measure. “Enforce” laws yes but circle the wagons & gleefully intimidate?

          Listen, I had a job 20+ years ago where I accompanied Sheriffs to do lockouts in some bad neighborhoods – I mean bad, drive-by shooting areas. Out of 50-60 events, I NEVER had a problem & nearly 90% of the time, we ended up smiling. The Sheriffs were ready to do battle but I entered first & quickly controlled the situation. It was all in the mindset. It was a case of black & white truth & when explained in that context without attitude, the job was simple – because everybody knew the obvious truth.

          Incidentally, if you don’t think your comment was emotional, I apologize … “Jason, I hope God gives me the pleasure of destroying you WTSHTF!!”

          (The double exclamation points was a slight give away)

          You say – “These are two very different topics due to the fact that the state and federal laws DO NOT support this type of police behavior. ” Hmmm, you are right on the surface. I have a friend who is an interrogator for our government & says water-boarding is a fast effective way to get information. Of course International, Federal & State laws do not sanction it but behind closed doors, anything is legal. It isn’t any secret.

          Wake up to the real world Daniel.

          PS

          Shakespeare’s writing may be over 400 years old but strangely still has applications today.

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  • MADD MEXX February 15, 2012, 4:38 pm

    I’m a 70 year old American of Mexican decent. I have nothing but praise for the street cops in metropoitan areas. Cops in hick towns, I don’t know.

    It irks me when the Jese Jacksons and Al Shatons of America start blasting “racist” cops. My younger brother was a petty criminal and even he didn’t get hasseled unless there was a warrant out for him.

    Now the ninjas (as G Gordon LIddy would call them) are an entirely differnt species.

    God bless our street cops.

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  • Whiskey R. Bellion February 15, 2012, 10:21 pm

    As a purveyor of Law Enforcement & Military equipment I have the opportunity to work with LEO’s & Military folks on a daily basis. As an NRA instructor, a hunter, a CCW man and a long range shooter I meet many off duty as well. Some are good, some bad and some UGLY.

    Unfortunately, I believe too many now view the typical American person as a threat, a terrorist, kidnapper, racist or pirate first, as the tax slave paying their salaries 2nd. If this were true, the streets would be washed in blood. Most people just want to go to work and then go home, that’s the truth.

    I find many of their policies terrible, like less paperwork for shooting someone than tazing them. I find juries pathetic for rarely convicting the obviously bad cops who have committed egregious crimes. Police Unions are absolutely abhorrent, frequently backing and protecting cops who are pathological liars, crooks and murderers. And I find offensive the fact that officers rarely have the guts to arrest another for speeding, stealing or committing any of a myriad of other crimes for which you and I would be arrested. Their need be no double standard.

    With modern surveillance technology, a little common sense and a little guts, many of these tragic deaths could be avoided in my opinion. Modern cars can be stopped with mini EMP-like devices, micro drones, scout balls and snake cameras can determine who is where, with whom, and when. Phone calls and computer communications can be traced, tracked and recorded.

    Modern LE soft body armor and ballistic helmets are usually NIJ IIIA which means they will defeat, essentially, all hand gun rounds. Level III armor plates will defeat most rifle rounds and level IV will defeat AP rounds. With that being said, suspected criminals can be identified, isolated and corralled.

    I think many of the high risk raids in question are either the result of laziness, or a reflection of the contempt the Government and it’s forces have for we the sheeple (baah). They don’t respect us nor value our lives. They don’t accept that the LAW is our will and that’s the only place it gets its legitimacy from. As such, you will do as you are told and if they shoot your dog, or your family, or you, oh well, you were only a civilian.

    Enough bitching, here’s my solution: Return America to the Home of the Free & Land of the Brave! Simplify and reduce the unknowable number of laws. End the ridiculous war on drugs. Train all of our citizens in the safe and responsible handling of firearms, including making classes at Gunsite, Frontsite or the SIG Academy tax deductible. Prosecute federal snipers who shoot women in the face who are holding their babies. Prosecute Attorneys General who burn women & children to death in order to protect them Execute no-knock raids only when there is a proven violent felon alone on the premises. Immediately terminate, prosecute and incarcerate any government employee involved in invading the wrong house. A few convictions should send a message to pay more attention to important details.

    And finally, exonerate ANY innocent homeowners who shoot ANY person involved in the nocturnal invasion of his/her home. If “our protectors” knew that behind every door was an armed and trained citizen, and that if they burst into the wrong house that they will be subject to prosecution, if they live, the problem we are discussing should go away.

    As I said, I have many friends who are cops. They, like Congress and the President, should be subject to exactly the same laws and punishments we are.

    GBU & Stay Safe

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    • Jason February 18, 2012, 10:29 am

      Great solution suggestions – if you run for office, I’ll vote for you!

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  • john February 17, 2012, 2:57 am

    > Fact: The police will use any lawful strategy, tactic, technique or training to accomplish the task at hand.

    That is not a fact, just because you say it is. It is a statement of belief and I could agree with that if you had inserted the words “the MAJORITY of police”.

    > If you want someone to hate/blame, it should not be the law enforcers, but rather the LAW MAKERS

    I agree and if you want to know who the guilty law makers are, just look in the mirror because the laws get passed with our consent.

    > It appears that there are way too many radicals on this site for me.

    It -APPEARS- you might not know the differences between an anarchist, a radical, and a Constitutional ist.

    In my opinion most of the views here have been expressed by people that believe in the Constitution and want police to abide by it.

    >It is sad to think that a cop would risk everything, to include his life, liberty and family, to aid a stranger…and this is the thanks they get!!

    On the other hand we have police officers in uniform, on video tape, stealing TVs from Walmart during Katrina.

    On the other hand, we have police that gunned down a man by shooting him in the back on a bridge in New Orleans and tried to cover up their murder.

    On the other hand we have the New Orleans police illegally confiscate guns during Katrina which resulted in clear violations of the 2nd amendment, which resulted in law abiding citizens being preyed upon by criminals and losing what little they had left.

    >God gives me the pleasure of destroying you WTSHTF!!

    Assuming you are a Christian, the current whole sorry state of affairs can be explained by a promise made by God to the nation Israel. Which is one reason we choose a Constitution instead of a king and why many of the founding fathers said our laws were only meant for a religious people that relied on God.

    For those that do not know, the USA was founded by people from the ten tribes of Israel and a Jew (from the line of Judah like Jesus) sits on the throne of England.

    (edited for shortness, prepper Christians might want to brush upon Deut 28, the curses, and1 Samuel 8. Athiests can brush up on Obama Care where they removed burden of proof and trial by jury. Hint they put it on the page 1761 the first time and after I complained they put it on the page of when John Adams was elected instead)

    1 Samuel 8

    7And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.

    9Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them.

    11And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots.

    12And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots.

    15And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants.

    —– >
    18And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day.

    ===================================================

    So … how has it been going since we decided in the 1960s to take God out of the SCHOOLS, law, and the public sector?

    So … How has it been going since 1972 when we violated God’s clearly stated law of Deut 28:12 by borrowing money from other nations when we killed the gold standard to borrow money for +Vietnam?How is Afghanistan turning out? You think losing yet another war to a bunch of sandal wearers without indoor plumbing might wake people up the second time around.

    So … How has it been going since we legalized abortion in 1972/1973 with Roe vs. Wade in violation of Luke 1:36?

    You know how it has been going? 1 Samuel 8:7 and Romans 1:26 is how it has been going and that is why I prep. All hail Kenite King Obama! I guess that makes me a radical too? :-D

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    • Dboy February 27, 2012, 11:22 pm

      Religious ignorance is the REASON FOR all of this fascist crap.

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  • Dboy February 27, 2012, 11:21 pm

    People come sneaking around late at night unannounced, they’re getting shot. If if I notice the badges, they’ll get shot more (don’t want one testifying). Now if they turn up at a civilised hour and are nice and polite, then I will be as well. And just as this article demonstrates, if it’s cops or not-cops, shoot just the same. No sense in being the only one shot, and cops are far too stupid to make good judgements in a firefight; if they were worth a shit at all, they’d be in another line of work. Bottom line, it’s better to shoot as many of them as possible before they get you.

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  • Ray April 26, 2012, 11:45 am

    I read your “how not to get beat up/tazed, etc.” by the police article and found it hilarious. I followed the link to this article and had to stop reading it when I got to the part about the SWAT team raiding the house of the Army vet who was alleged to have an indoor marijuana grow. Either you were ignorant to all the facts or you purposefully left them out. I’m a police officer and a member of my department’s decentralized SWAT team. I know what case you’re talking about (or at least once JUST like it) and went over the case and the post op brief when I attended a FLETC narcotics course in Dover PA a couple months ago. I’m going to strongly assume you just didn’t know, but let’s analyze the two facts you did mention.

    1. The suspect had an indoor marijuana grow. For the most part, we (the law enforcement community) know that simple (misdemeanor) marijuana possession is pretty, as you put it, benign, when it comes violent outcomes. However, we also know that marijuana cultivation is as risky as it is lucrative. People who are cultivating marijuana are under constant threat from the very people they’re cultivating and selling it for. In my jurisdiction, 80% or more of the robberies are “crack jacks”, stealing someone’s dope. Therefore, we know, through our training and experience, and marijuana growers are under this constant threat of being robbed, so they ALMOST always fortify their structures. Patrol officers are not trained breachers. Asking patrol to hit a house where we believe a controlled marijuana grow is going on is pretty negligent. Not only that, but we know, through our training and experience, marijuana growers often arm themselves for protection (not against police, necessarily, but other drug users/sellers). Why would you send a team of patrol officers in to raid a house that is likely to be fortified and defended by an armed paranoid criminal? Why not send in the most highly trained and best equipped (SWAT)?

    2. The person was a military veteran. We know 2 things from this. The person is familiar with firearms and familiar with tactics. Why would we want to send in a patrol squad to raid this house instead of highly trained, better equipped personnel?

    Case law states that the activation of SWAT is a de-facto “use of force” and SWAT must only be utilized in situations that are truly high-risk in nature and go beyond the capabilities of normal patrol officers. Just the 2 facts you presented more than warrants the use of SWAT, although you criticized it. You didn’t even give all the details, but that doesn’t matter, it was high risk enough without all the information to warrant the use of SWAT.

    Our department actually has a form, a risk assessment form, that has to be filled out by the officer or detective requesting the use of SWAT on their search warrant. We do turn people down because they don’t meet the criteria of high-risk. However, we would have hit this house all day long every day of the week.

    I’m sorry I couldn’t keep reading the post but the article lost all credibility once I got to that point. I respect your opinions, but they have to be backed up by facts.

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  • Roger September 26, 2014, 4:39 pm

    Ray, I hate to rain on your parade but, only about 10% of military personnel are actually combat troops, the vast majority of them are ‘support’ troops, there are more troops engaged in paper-work than than those firing-shots-in-anger! I noticed that neither you or any other LEO’s answered the author’s last question (unless I missed it for which I apologize), namely what would you do if armed men suddenly broke down your front door and poured in. Would you grab your pistol (or shotgun) and open fire in an effort to defend your family and home or would you kick back, have another pull at your beer bottle, offer your uninvited quests a brew or two, HOPE to hell they are legit because if they’re not, dialing 911 wouldn’t do you and yours any good at that point. A man’s home is supposed to be his castle, were you watching sports on the Boob-tube, maybe the volume’s a little high so you don’t hear the knock at the door two seconds before its knocked down. Maybe they’ll kill you before they drag your wife and daughters out for a gang rape, harsh, yes, but unfortunately a reality! And, what’s with LEO’s shooting dogs on sight, yes, it happens way too often! I have dogs and I love them and whether it’s a LEO or a drunk redneck (sometimes the same thing), if you hurt or kill my dogs, I AM going to return fire, and I won’t be shooting to wound; better to be tried by twelve than carried by six! As for the facts of a case, you know that everyone will try to portray themselves in the best light, human nature, and LEOs are human, though too many seem to think themselves above that. That pistol on their hip definitely affects their thought processes. Good Luck!

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  • kevin September 29, 2014, 8:32 am

    YES we are

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  • John Scherber October 30, 2014, 6:30 pm

    Certainly this is a big part of the picture. I’ve been working on a novel about a bio-terror attack for the last three years, and the measures the government takes to protect itself (and no one else) are key. Your readers might enjoy this fictional take on a subject on everyone’s mind today.

    Jihad in America travels on the wind.
    While a nuclear terrorist attack is unlikely, in a bioterror epidemic, the genetically engineered plague is invisible. Our borders are vulnerable, and metal detectors are useless, even as ISIS, the Islamic State, raises its menacing black flag in Syria and Iraq.
    What if the government is helpless, gridlocked in perpetual party conflict and rancor?

    BEYOND TERRORISM: SURVIVAL is the fictional story of two unlikely strangers who found a way to survive the apocalypse, the most deadly terrorist attack in history.
    Read a sample on my website: http://www.sanmiguelallendebooks.com/beyondterrorism.html

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  • Mike June 29, 2015, 4:45 pm

    I will die, but I am going to take a couple of them with me.

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  • Kevin August 30, 2015, 5:18 pm

    I have only to say this question of are we in a police state like so many other articles around the web, the popular question title always strikes one or at least I am one, with should there be any question to this reality of being in Police State…YES and that doesn’t mean a free Country, neither.

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  • john-atlanta December 3, 2015, 9:57 pm

    > I am not completely familiar with the procedures involving federal agencies,

    They use heat based gun scopes, .308 or .50 guns, and shoot you through your wall before knocking on the door or if they perceive you are holding a fire arm. As I detailed a few years ago, they use helicopter based heat imaging to map out your walls and gun safes before entry.

    One guy they shot and killed before he even made it out the hallway or got a shot out and he did not even know who was at his door.

    I suggest if you plan on going out in a blaze of glory no matter who is at the door, that you make your house or abode so they can not see heat signatures through the walls and windows using their normal thermal imaging equipment.

    Though unless you use lead everywhere or slate roofing you are unlikely to interfere with the newer density scanners, going by the StimUwaste there are roughly 1200 GM mini-vans with them. Then create fatal funnels while avoiding being in one yourself.

    Though unless you really sand bag your house, you are unlikely to stop the FBI’s 20mm cannon toys with which they train.

    Good luck, you will need it.

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  • Joe June 20, 2017, 3:54 pm

    Some of the things that take place in the US today are pretty horrible. I can’t say many o them take me by surprise, but they’re horrible none the less.

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    • john-atlanta June 20, 2017, 9:27 pm

      Hi,

      To understand what is happening in the USA, the world, and what SHTF disaster is about to come, you have to understand God’s word, the words that came out of the mouth of Jesus, the Bible and the Apocrypha.

      In the Apocrypha God said people enlarging their houses anger him to judgment. You might be led to think God has something against people building a big abode in which to live. What was meant was how the pagans would literally bury their 1st born son in the cornerstone of their house, to seek approve and riches from the pagan Gods.

      Jesus was the cornerstone (stumbling block) that God laid for his own house.

      We enlarge our houses by abortion. I asked God why we violated Deut 28:12 (August 1971) before Luke 1:36 (Jan 1973) and was shown because

      Deut 27
      25 Cursed be he that taketh reward to slay an innocent person. And all the people shall say, Amen.

      actually happened 1st in 1970 with Roe vs. Wade.

      Grace was totally removed (imho) from this nation the day after the Nov 2008 election when this nation (Ephraim) quite literally elected a son of Satan to office.

      In

      “Curse of the Zeroes” – the Book of Judgments”

      it is detailed how God allowed presidents to be killed every 20 years if they were elected in a year ending in zero.

      (1840 and the dead presidents that followed were because of Thanksgiving)

      1840, 1860, 1880, 1900, 1920, 1940, 1960

      The zeros were meant to prove authority of scripture and #152, Bush #41 could not get away from 152 and neither could his son #43 with 152 hanging chads, as an example. Bush #41 survived his WWII crash so he could live out the number assigned to him before this country was even formed.

      As laid out in the Apocrypha and Jesus own words about how they were doing in the day of Noe (Noah – read the Book of Enoch edited by Mcfadden?) ) before his return, civil war is going to engulf the world, only one woman is left for every 7 men (Jesus’s words), and THEN the fallen angels are being thrown to earth along with Satan.

      How evil people are treating each other are the curses coming alive from Deut 28:12 (China is Deut 28:43) and it is only going to get worse from Nov 2008 onward because grace has been removed.

      You know, the last great generation was predicted in the Apocrypha, we saw it come to pass, and most people have no idea why (1948).

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