Yesterday’s post equated to a slammin’ good time. A number of you sent me your thoughts. My personal favorite was the dude that asked, “How can you be so naive?” Lol!
“Striker” posted in the comments section a link to a video providing a great, unbiased comparison of the AR-15 and the AK-47. That link is here: http://www.dumpalink.com/videos/The_m16_versus_the_ak47-e1f4.html
“Daniel W” said the term “banana clip” drives gun enthusiasts nuts. Why? Does “chiquita clip” sound better?
Lastly, “Arty” asked how he can own an AR-15 in California. Let’s address this question now.
You can’t! From the NRA’s website on California law:
It is unlawful to offer for sale, give or lend any “assault weapon” or .50 caliber BMG rifle. It is unlawful to possess an “assault weapon” or a .50 caliber BMG rifle unless it is properly registered with the state. The registration period for “assault weapons” and .50 caliber BMG rifles has ended. If an individual has an unregistered “assault weapon” or a .50 caliber BMG rifle after the registration period has ended, they must relinquish the firearm to law enforcement. Anyone with a registered “assault weapon” or .50 caliber BMG rifle wishing to legally dispose of the firearm can: sell it to a dealer with an “assault weapons” permit (for such firearms) and a .50 caliber BMG rifle permit (for such rifles); or with both type of permits; relinquish it to local law enforcement (after making an appointment); remove the “assault weapon” or .50 BMG caliber rifle from the state or destroy it.
Here’s the kicker:
Any person inheriting a registered “assault weapon” or .50 caliber BMG rifle has 90 days to render the weapon permanently inoperable, sell to an approved firearms dealer, obtain a permit from the Department of Justice to possess firearms, or move the gun out of state.
In other words, no handing it down to your kids. They want to rid the state of them entirely.
Source: http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/CASL.pdf
California has defined “assault weapon” this way:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.
(4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.(5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
(A) A folding or telescoping stock.
(B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.
(8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
Source: http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/dwcl/12275.php You can also read the very stiff penalties for breaking this law.
Also interesting to note is that California police record all dealer handgun sales. Private sale option? Nope, sales must go through a licensed dealer.
You’ll see some firearms manufacturers advertise “California Legal” assault rifles, but they’re in appearance only. They don’t have detachable magazines. You feed a maximum of ten rounds into the magazine well.
Sorry, Arty, bro. Call The Govinater and make your opinion known. Tell him it’s not fair that he gets to play with them on the movie set, but you can’t at the range.
This makes me wonder, though. Are there any bolt-action rifles out there with detachable, high capacity magazines? I mean seriously, the zombies are coming!
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The .308 Einfelds that Aim was selling for a while had a 12 round detachable magazine. They had to modify them to 10 rounders to sell them to Californians. 10 rounds is the limit in Cali.
“Daniel W” said the term “banana clip” drives gun enthusiasts nuts. Why? Does “chiquita clip” sound better?
“Banana clip” is a term almost exclusively used by those who are ignorant of firearms – and most often the anti-gunners.
A “clip” is not the same as a magazine, and most people who have any knowledge of firearms already know that, and don’t misuse the term “clip”.
The correct term is a “30 round magazine”.
Also (sorry to comment twice today) you asked “Are there any bolt-action rifles out there with detachable, high capacity magazines?”
I can think of one in my collection that holds more than 10 rounds: my bolt action Ishapore 2A1 Enfield .308 has a detachable mag that holds 12 rounds.
Daniel W, fair enough, but if we push semantics aside and look simply at the poetry of the language, “banana clip” simply has a better ring to it than “30 round magazine”. “Chiquita clip” is even better – in the ring of the words. It evokes a more vivid and descriptive image as well . . . but, in the true definition of the term, you’re right.
As a side note, US Army personnel serving in Southeast Asia during the Vietnam war frequently referred to the curved30 round magazine on the AK as a “banana clips”. My, how times have changed.
It appears, from reading of the California restrictions, that something akin to the Garand or SKS would be your best choice, since they hold 10 rounds or less in a non (readily) removable internal magazine, but can still be quickly reloaded by means of external stripper clips/enbloc methods.
Sad, but I’m sure we’ll all soon be facing such restrictions if they get their way.
IANAL, but as I understand the California law, you can get an AR-15 that only has a 22LR upper on it. Since it’s not centerfire, it’s not an eevil AW. Now, I’m not 100% sure of the intricacies of the law, but I don’t think there’s anything illegal about having a .223 upper just sitting around, even if you have an AR-15 with a 22LR upper on it.
Why someone hasn’t been selling ARs preconfigured this way so that the CA folks can buy them is beyond me. I can picture them selling a zillion of them at highly inflated prices.
There are, of course, also the pump action versions of the AR for those stuck in CA and places like it.
Having an AR-15 with a .22lr upper attached but a spare .223 upper lying around is asking for trouble. The “its not together and thus is not a weapon” argument will probably get little to no traction in a court of law. I am not a lawyer but that seems like a good way to risk loosing your gun and voting rights in addition to your freedom. If you are concerned with a lack of firepower I would suggest voting with your feet. If you really want to stay in CA buy a Garand and stock up on 8rd en block clips for it.
Which is why Kalifornia sucks!
ARs are available legally in CA. There are many hoops that one may need to jump through. These hoops all address the configuration of the gun. A good site for those looking for a firearm in CA and want to know more about the intricacies of the law is http://www.Calguns.net The most popular configurations in CA for ARs are bullet buttons and featureless rifles. A featureless rifle is one that has no pistol grip, a fixed stock, no flash hider, and no forward grip (I might be forgetting one). An example of a featureless rifle is the hello kitty one posted on here (notice the grip, it’s called a monster man grip). The other is a bullet button which modifies the mag release to not be used by a finger, but rather a “tool”. This allows you to have all the features you want since the rifle no longer has a detachable mag. And the “tool” used to release the mag is nothing big, the tip of a bullet can do it. If you google ‘bullet button’ I’m sure you will find more info, as well as on Calguns.net.