Presenting!
Ranger Man’s Top Ten BEST Guns for TEOTWAWKI
NUMBER TEN - The Mighty Barrett .50 BMG
LOL! Okay, okay, I kicked this list off with the Barrett just because. I don’t own one and I wouldn’t buy one, but I’ll tell you what, if SHTF, and you have one, you’re on my side.
The sticker price ($3,000-$12,000) on one of these monsters is enough to take anyone’s breath away, but witnessing the colossal *POW* that this bad bitch delivers waaaay down range will also take your breath away. Nothing on the civilian market can deliver anything close to the *smack* of the Barrett. Consequently, there’s a growing movement in different states (mainly New York, Massachusetts, Hawaii and Illinois) to remove the .50 BMG rifle from the civilian market altogether. California banned it in 2004. So, if you have more money than you know what to do with, this could be a great investment. Buy a few and then sell them after they’re banned nationwide for 4 times what you paid for them. 
The cartridge selection for these rifles is disturbing to say the least. They come in incendiary, armor-piercing, armor-piercing/incendiary, tracer, and armor-piercing/incendiary/tracer all-in-one. A .50 BMG sniper rifle was used by a Canadian solder in Afghanistan in 2002 to pull off the longest-range, confirmed sniper kill in history when he delivered the insane ball of lead to a Taliban insurgent 1.5 miles away.
YIKES!
Advantages: it’ll make anyone go “. . . . . . wow;” it’ll penetrate light armor with NO problem; people will open the door for you when they see you carrying it; you can disable equipment and engine blocks from over a mile away; Made in the U.S.A.
Disadvantages: price, size, weight and recoil (ouch!); very limited availability of the high-end, military grade ammunition you’d need to fully realize this rifle’s capacity
NUMBER NINE - SKS Rifle
For what you’d spend on one Barrett .50 BMG you could buy a truckload of these things. I’m not a big fan of them. A friend of mine has (maybe had) a Russian SKS and the thing would sometimes fire two rounds with one trigger pull. This may sound cool, but neither of us thought it was. They’re cheap for a reason.
Advantage: they’re cheap
Disadvantage: they’re cheap
NUMBER EIGHT - Bolt-Action .308
Here it is. You need a sniper set up - period, and there’s a reason the .308 is the most widely used sniper round, it delivers - consistently. It may not have the more flat trajectory of a .270 or the extra wallup in a 30-06, but it delivers, has moderate recoil, and offers a more common caliber with a wider selection of ammunition.
Of course, the flip side of having a sniper set up is that it’s only worthwhile if you actually spend A LOT of time (and money) learning how to use it effectively at long distances. Chances are, for anyone not in Navy Seal sniper school, they’re not going to. However, the rifle can still get plenty of use hunting large game. The 180 grain .308 cartridge is my top recommendation for large game. It hits hard.
Advantages: common caliber, highly accurate
Disadvantage: no rapid fire feature
NUMBER SEVEN - Springfield M1A
What’s better than a bolt-action .308 WTSHTF? A semi-automatic .308. If you’re 3 weeks into TEOTWAWKI, holed up in your house with stacks of books around your picture window to serve as makeshift “sandbags,” you’ll want the M1A standing nearby. Gotta send a message to The Golden Horde hanging out by your mailbox? The M1A will do it.
Advantages: common caliber, stock one round for your bolt-action AND your semi-auto; Made in the U.S.A.
Disadvantages: $1,300 and up typically for a new one; heavy if carrying long distances
NUMBER SIX - 1911 .45 ACP Handgun
Ah yes, a handgun enters the scene. You have to have a handgun, and the 1911 .45 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol) is a beauty. Let’s say it appears TEOTWAWKI is on the verge of happening and people are panicking. They’re out in force to empty the local grocery store’s shelves, and you’re heading into town as well to get whatever you can. This is the stage at which you’re not going to head out with rifles wrapped around your torso unless you’re begging for trouble - HOWEVER - you’re not going unarmed either. Shit could break out in the cooler isle as 28 different dads battle over the last gallon of milk and suddenly one them pulls a piece. You need to be ready without letting people know you’re ready. Additionally, you need a piece for your SHTF “go bag” and the .45 contains a whole lotta lead.
Advantages: conceal and carry; whole lotta lead; common caliber
Disadvantages: limited magazine capacity (typically 8 + 1 in the pipe); $800 and up for a good one
NUMBER FIVE - Remington 870 12 Gauge Pump-Action Shotgun
*shhhick-shickt*
Let’s hear that again.
*shhhick-shickt*
The sound is undeniable. You hear that and you instantly know what it means, “You wanna roll with me?” The only reasonable response is, “errrr . . . . nah, I’ll move along.”
You can get a shotgun that’ll take a bigger shell, but you don’t need it. The 12 gauge is exceptionally common and it’ll take a variety of shells: birdshot for game hunting survival purposes; double-ought buck for pushing intruders not only down, but back out the window they came in through; and slugs for anything else.
Want to mount that shotgun to your bed frame (lol)? Check out one of my previous posts on “The Backup” here.
Advantages: common caliber; many accessories available for this model (pistol grips, tube extensions, etc.); obscene knock-down power
Disadvantages: none come to mind
NUMBER FOUR - AK-47
When I took the “What Combat Weaponry are You?” test over on my MySpace page it churned out the AK-47. It’s not my number one choice, but it’s an excellent choice nevertheless. It’s durable, designed to be thrown into a mud hole for a month when it can be dug out and immediately used without cleaning. That might be an exaggeration, but not by much. It also delivers a beefy round for a standard issue assault rifle. If you’re outside the United States, there’s likely readily available parts and ammunition.
Advantages: banana clips, baby; jungled clipped banana clips, baby
Disadvantages: lacks the accuracy found in other assault rifles; made in China, or Russia, or Yugoslavia - you get the idea
NUMBER THREE - Compact 9mm Handgun
What’s a more common caliber than the .45 ACP? The 9mm. Unfortunately, it’s the most common handgun caliber in the United States used against police officers. Thugs love it. Love the 9mm, but don’t be a thug.
Advantages: cheaper to shoot than the .45 (and thus practice with); high capacity magazines; easier to conceal and carry
Disadvantage: less lead
NUMBER TWO - Ruger 10/22 Rifle
I can hear it now, “What!?” That’s right, the .22 rifle. It’s ALL about survivalism. Look, when TEOTWAWKI hits you’re going to want a rifle like the Ruger 10/22 for put some sort of meat on your dinner plate. Squirrels, gophers or the neighbors’ cats, the 10/22 is quiet, effective, and you can shoot all damn day for what it’d cost you to buy a 6-pack of PBR.
Additionally, a little recognized fact, Chechen rebels successfully used .22 rifles for sniping purposes against Russian troops in urban settings. The urban setting consisted of narrow streets and close buildings allowing these “snipers” to get exceptionally close to their targets. They strapped soda bottle silencers on them to further the effectiveness. I don’t care what you say about the .22lr, take one in the neck and you’ll think differently.
Advantages: already stated - go buy one
Disadvantages: none whatsoever
AND now . . . . . . .
Ranger Man’s NUMBER ONE BEST Rifle for TEOTWAWKI
*drum roll*
The Mighty AR-15!
*applause*
*cheering*
This should really come as no surprise. My only guess as to why so many survival writers don’t list the “Black Rifle” as their top choice is because they want to set themselves apart from the pack. Like in politics, when you’re the man on top, you can expect attacks. There are very solid reasons for the AR-15’s extreme popularity and cult-like following. There are very solid reasons why its the #1 choice of the U.S. military and para-military groups (”AR-15″ to include all variations). It’s the best - period.
Explaining in great detail why I believe the AR-15 is the single best choice for survivalists goes beyond the scope of this post. I will detail it in the future, however. In the meantime, basically:
Advantages: very common caliber; fast bullet with flat trajectory; highly adaptable platform that allows the user to meet mission specific needs; extensive options readily available; they’re everywhere (meaning so are parts); wide variety of available rounds from 55 grain to 75 grain, tracer rounds, steel penetrator tips, etc.; very, very light recoil; Made in the U.S.A., and in the case of Bushmaster, Made in Maine
Disadvantages: smaller caliber than what’s found in other battle rifles; many moving parts; rather annoying to clean compared to other rifles; the gas system often comes under criticism for throwing the “gunk” back into the chamber (some call this “shitting where it eats”), though this problem has been remedied in some newer models (at a higher cost)
- Ranger Man
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71 responses so far ↓
1 striker // Dec 16, 2007 at 7:17 pm
http://www.dumpalink.com/videos/The_m16_versus_the_ak47-e1f4.html
2 Phil // Dec 16, 2007 at 8:07 pm
I have to agree with your 10/22 assessment. It doesn’t have the knock down power or range of a .223 or 7.62×39, but a well placed shot is devastating.
I routinely butcher my own meat and I have dropped a 1000lb steer with one shot from my Ruger 10/22 as far out as 30 feet.
Also it can be equipped with large cap mags to “fill the air with lead” if need be. I also have a tricked out sks - synthetic folding stock, modified to take detachable mags etc and I just love the thing.
In the event we need to defend ourselves, I plan to hand my wife the 10/22 and wield the sks myself. I also have a .45 for a sidearm.
Love the site, very interesting and informative!
3 Daniel W. // Dec 16, 2007 at 9:33 pm
Enjoyable read, though for the record the term ‘banana clips’ drives many gun enthusiasts ‘nuts’
My top ten would read very differently but I can appreciate your points.
I would put the SKS and AK at top if I made such a list. Now bear in mind, I’m not a person who ONLY owns an SKS or AK and therefore things THAT is the best - I own or have owned multiples of the following: MAS/MLE, Mausers, Enfields, Mosin Nagants, various .22 bolt & semi-autos, SKS, AK, FAL, AR-15, Remington 870 shotgun, etc.
While other rifles will cover accuracy at a distance better than the SKS or AK’s 7.62×39 round, the reliability, ruggedness, ballistics and accuracy within it’s designed use (100-200 yards) really makes it a great choice.
The SKS is very rugged, and being made in Russia, China and such places is NOT an indicator of poor quality - just the opposite. These things are rock solid if left in their original form. Ammo is plentiful and not as pricey as .223 or .308, and on stripper clips can be carried in quantity and loaded quickly.
I have owned and shot many SKS & AK rifles and fully trust them to function even when things are down & dirty and time to stop & clean them isn’t available.
The same can’t be said for the AR-15. I can’t tell you the number of times I’ve kept shooting my SKS at the range while the guy next to me fought to keep his AR from jamming. It’s a different ballgame in the military where you have a line of supply & backup - but if you were out in the field with limited cleaning supplies (or none) or no time to stop and do maintenance, it wouldn’t be a good thing to have to club the zombies with your AR.
I LOVE the FAL in .308, but due to weight of the rifle AND it’s ammo I’d probably leave it home unless there were a specialized need.
.22 bolt or even Ruger 10-22? Great choice. For the proposed ITSHTF (IF the SHTF) were to occur, I would guess that little if any of it would be spent fighting zombie hordes or foreign invaders. But you WOULD probably spend substantial time hunting for food, and something like a 10-22 is perfect for that.
In certain scenarios an accurate, long range sniper .308 would be invaluable! However, if you were on foot evacuating with a single firearm or out in the field, how would would that single shot rifle with delicate expensive scope hold up? Could you really hump it and go through some hard hits without it breaking or having to re-zero it? If it did break, what then?
A good pistol is a great idea - be it 9mm, .40, 357SIG, .45 or any other caliber.
Anyway, good blog.
4 Arty // Dec 17, 2007 at 1:03 am
AR-15.
Nice.
Now, can you tell me how I can own one in California?
5 Raffi // Dec 19, 2007 at 10:42 am
I like this list. I have many of these and have subed a few of the others. Someday a .50 will fall into my lap but until then I’ll make due with my .300 winmag for the long range stuff. Get what you can and pratice as much as you can. old school vet.
6 ryan // Dec 21, 2007 at 4:29 am
The .50 cal is awesome if you have a huge budget and an already full gun safe. I think the overall top 9 is right on, order is somewhat open to personal opinions. I have a hard time thinking a compact 9mm is more useful (and thus higher on the list) then a full sized .45 1911. I disagree that it takes 800 bucks to get a good one. I own a Springfield Mil spec (535 dollars last summer) and it has never jammed. Maybe a few folks can outshoot that gun but most can’t. Its big advantage of the 9 is itscompactness and in a SHTF type situation open carry would rapidly become the norm. If you really want to shoot alot get a .22 pistol to go with the 10/22.
I think the scoped rifle is important even if you are not a truely phenomenal shot (trained military sniper/ Camp Murry competitor etc). Almost anyone is going to shoot more accurately at longer distances with a scoped bolt gun then an assault/battle rifle. Better optics and a more stable reciever.
I know the Ar-15 being number one on this has brought the survival blogosphere into a stir. I think we all need to take things with a grain of salt and avoid personal attacks. A diehard .308 battle rifle type survivalist has much more in common with a ,303 enfield carrying survivalist then he does with 95% of the population, same goes with a 1911 .45 type guy with a .9mm or .357 magnum character. Lets read eachothers stuff and have lively debates but avoid personal attacks and try to learn from each other. I think we all probably know atleast one thing that the next guy doesn’t and visa versa.
merry christmas
7 Dragon // Feb 9, 2008 at 1:57 am
My carry weapon at camp is the …Ready…Amd 64 side folder with the short mag.
in my neck of the woods ak ammo is plentiful and cheap.
Years back I picked up a forged receiver SKS for 75 bucks.
and I can shoot it as far as my Mauser 98.
but my favorite and first gun was a enfield jungle carbine in 303.
8 ouchstop // Feb 15, 2008 at 11:07 pm
I like your blog and your top ten. Although most or all of us have variations of the top ten, I enjoy reading someone elses view point. For my two cents, the Ruger 10/22 is indespensible and seriously under rated, the Remington 870 is a must. A couple of other options, the Ruger mini 14 is a compromise between the AK 47 and the AR 15. Here in Missouri a Marlin or Winchester 30-30 is considered a definite top tenner. One last, the Smith & Wesson 38 special is the Ak47 of handguns. You can’t break it, it won’t jam, you can bury it in the mud, pull it out months later and fire the rounds in it, and if you hand it to your daughter all she has to know is point it and squeeze the trigger.
Regards
ouch
9 Flintlock // Mar 6, 2008 at 6:12 pm
A precision .22 is a must–I love my 10/22 dearly, BUT my 77/22 with scope is a LOT more accurate. It is also fairly quiet with Remington Subsonic Hollowpoints and will use the same magazine.
10 Anonymous // Mar 18, 2008 at 3:43 am
One superb caliber overlooked here is the .17HMR. Highly accurate with a rated zero drop out to 100 yards. With a decent scope you can easily hit the same hole at 50 yards. It does well in windy conditions and is deadly for varmint hunting. I carries a pretty good wallop compared to the 22. Although ammo does cost, around $12 per 50 rounds, it is well worth it. The rifle itself will set you back $250-$300 for a quality bolt action. Savage Arms with an accu-trigger is a good choice. It may not be high capacity (7+1) but who needs that with such accuracy.
11 wally // Mar 27, 2008 at 10:32 pm
OORAH! for the old trusty 22!!!! one of the
best all around plinker rifles you can get.
every aresnal should have one, if you don’t
your just not thinking straight…
keep yourpower dry man…
wally
12 Dale // Apr 11, 2008 at 7:58 am
Great site! Like most of your choices. My personal armory includes; AR-15/M-4 clone, Mossberg 500 12ga with riot barrel, Springfield XD-.45 semiauto pistol, S&W 686 .357 Revolver, Walther P-22 .22LR semiauto pistol, and a Mossberg Plinkster .22 semiauto riflle. I’m still looking for a bolt action .308 or .270 with scope for reaching out to touch someone. Also considering picking up 2 or 3 inexpensive SKS’s for ITSHTF since most in my influence group have their heads in the sand but will be knocking on my door for some firepower when the time comes. Keep your head down!
13 CK // Apr 18, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Love the site Rangerman!!!!
I own a SOCOM 1 and love it - semi auto .308 with 20 round mags!!!! Also have a G23 side piece and the venerable Remington 870 pump with mag extension!!! I bought a Norinco built SKS for 90 bucks way back in the early 90’s, made it US compliant and put it in a Tapco adjustable stock with the folding bi-pod and 30 round mags…..I like it very much too. Again, really enjoy your site and the information herein! Keep up the good work!
Rangers lead the way!
14 California Legal AR // Apr 22, 2008 at 2:00 am
Arty or anyone else in California. Visit www.calguns.net to learn more info about owning a california legal ar. Trust me you won’t regret it.
15 R-Man // Jun 28, 2008 at 1:15 am
I fashion myself as something of a survivalist. I own most of the guns on your list, but not all.
Now that 2008 has resulted in an extraordinary price hike in ammunition costs, I have to say that the plinker is stuck with .22 LR and 7.62 X 39 mm. That makes my AKM and SKS all that much more desirable.
Like you, I’m sure, I have a stock of ammo: .223 Wolf and Lake City, 7.62 NATO Lake City, 30-06 corrosive 1954 Korean, 7.62 X 39 mm Wolf Classic and Black Box, .45 cal. White Box and Remington Golden Sabers, 9 mm FMJ. In quantity.
So the best SHTF gun(s) fire the ammo you have in stock with the gun(s) you have in stock. Multiple guns mean you can arm your friends and neighbors.
Number 10: Remington 742 Woodmaster.
This rifle has a four round magazine firing 30-06 with a 9x scope. This is the sniper rifle for the average survivalist. Hits close groups at 100 yards, which is the longest range that my gun club has.
Advantages: Knock down power that kills anything.
Disadvantages: Ammo is very pricey. The old surplus Korean stuff requires careful inspection and the barrel must be meticulously cleaned after use. A BAR is a better rifle, but not much.
Number 9: .223 Remington Bushmaster M17S Bullpup rifle.
Uses the ubiquitous .223 Remington round. Has a 16” barrel in a short, compact system. Great for home invaders. Very rare rifle. Much preferred is the S-2000 or Steyr AUG. I don’t own those rifles. I like the S-2000 over the other bullpups. If I owned it, the S-2000 rifle would take a higher score.
Advantages: short length for home defense.
Disadvantages: Jams. When at the range one must check the action and ejection port after every round fired.
Number 8: Yugo SKS
I’ve read that the Russian SKS is of better quality with a SS barrel. However, I only own a Yugo with the muzzle break and bayonet ($400).
Great blond furniture and looks great. I mean it looks great. Beautiful rifle firing the 7.62 X 39 mm AK-47 round. This is my new range rifle due to the high cost of ammo. Described in “Boston’s Gun Bible” as a “great trunk rifle.” ‘Nuff said
Advantages: Plenty of cheap ammunition on 10-round stripper clips.
Disadvantages: 5” MOA. Poor site with Russian-only optical improvements.
Number 7: AKM (semi-automatic AK-47)
Mine is a stamped receiver AKM. It’s a toss-up between this 16” bbl AK and the Yugo SKS with a 20” bbl. I give the nod to the AKM because there are so many adherents on the web. Heaven forbid I select the beautiful Yugo SKS over the butt ugly AKM black rifle.
The edge is really due to the 30-round mag on the AKM, which are cheap and plentiful. I’ve got a ton of them.
Advantages: Plenty of cheap ammo in cheap 30-round mags. Scary looking with a scary sounding bolt slide.
Disadvantages: Accurate as an Iraqi.
Number 6: Glock 30 double stack .45 cal. Compact pistol
This is one of two .45’s that I carry. It has a short bbl, but the Glock is also listed in “Boston’s Gun Bible” as a preferred hand gun. The Glock is the simplest gun to strip and clean and fire. Once you’ve owned a Glock, you will buy more. I’ve got three and I’m looking for an excuse to buy more.
Advantages: It’s a Glock in .45. I may not have ever shot somebody with a Remington Golden Saber .45, but if I do, they are going down. Standard square white site is the best I’ve seen. Good for carry. G21 mags fit. The standard mag is 10-round. After market mags have the pinkie grip.
Disadvantages: Short barrel.
Number 5: Glock 17-L 9 mm long bbl match gun
This is the only gun I have ever hit bull with the first shot. The long bbl is a great advantage when distance is necessary. Mine is second gen, so it has no Picatiny Rail. But who cares? It fits in a standard G17 holster, which leaves a lot of options for carry, including shoulder rig.
Advantages: Very accurate pistol.
Disadvantages: 9 mm is a pussy round.
Number 4: Glock 21 .45 cal. Full-sized pistol (1911 substitute)
Tough to carry concealed because of its size, but rugged as hell. With Trijicon night sites this is the ultimate home defense pistol. Oil? Optional. It’s the AK-47 of the handgun world. Simplicity of design makes the G21 the big pistol of choice. I’ve got the Fobus paddle holster and Blackwater belt holster with trigger finger release. It fits in any tactical holster. This hand gun may not be right for Zombies; too big, too loud, too much. But it is the one hand gun I would most want to be carrying if the shit hits the fan.
Advantages: Long bbl, plentiful high caliber round, good site picture, stopping power.
Disadvantages: The Glock Model 21? No. None. Get one.
Number 3: ????????????
This was a tough one. I’m down to my favorite and secondary. If you have to have a favorite and a backup, non-hand gun, what would you leave at home? SHTF is a very non-specific situation.
I’m down to three weapons; the AR-15 , the FN FAL .308 metric and the FN Police Shotgun 12 GA. Shit.
I have to make the Fabrique National FAL the number three gun. I love the thing ($650). It’s reliable and fires a big caliber. The .308, 7.62 X 51 mm NATO is one hell of a round, but it’s heavy. There is no Blackhawk or Blackwater assault vest made for the .308. Sorry, too bad. You have to get a suspension harness and clip-on ammo pouches to construct a half-assed ammo/assault vest for a .308 rifle.
Why FAL over the Springfield Arms M1A or the Rock River Arms LAR-8? Because I own an FN FAL and I don’t own a notoriously expensive M1A or reasonably priced RRA LAR-8 in 20” bbl. (bet which one I buy next?)
I liked the FAL in metric pattern over the L1A1 or L1A2 inch pattern. I scoped the FAL and it is very accurate. It’s a nine pound rifle like the M1A and LAR-8.
Based on my criteria, neither the M1A or the L1A2 or the LAR-8/AR-10 would have placed better on the list. The .308 round is going for $1.00 minimum each these days (see 7.62 X 39 at $0.19 per round).
Sorry, but the .308 is a waste for Zombies. It’s also a waste for AQI unless you’re supplied by the US Army, Marines or SpecOps.
Advantages: Big caliber, accurate, pick ‘um FAL, M1A, LAR-8.
Disadvantages: The ammo has become too expensive and it’s too heavy to carry in quantity. I have stores of Lake City, but the rifles have become too expensive also. The Springfield Arms is outrageous at $1,300 to $1,850 plus tax. The RRA LAR-8 is not too bad at $1,200, but fuck… I bought my Remington 742 for $350 with a scope and sling. It may not have a high-cap mag, but it will remove your head from your shoulders and drop any game in North America with one shot (other than a Grizzly and maybe a bull moose.)
Number 2: FN 12 GA Police Shotgun
Is there someone with a survivalist mentality that doesn’t own a 12 GA shotgun? A Remington 870 or some other pump-action? No. The answer is no. We all own a 12 gauge. Mine is tricked out with a reflex holograph “scope” and flashlights. It looks ridiculous, but I can strip it down to stock in less than a minute.
With a pistol grip and a long cylinder magazine, this bad boy can take out the worst looter in the worst way. I’ve got a stack of 00 buckshot to do the job. This could, would be the number one gun but for one reason; it doesn’t hold enough rounds. Plus, it kicks like a mule.
The beauty about a 12 GA shotgun is it doesn’t take much maintenance. Drag a bore snake through the bbl and you’re good to go. The fire power of a 12 GA is unsurpassable. Aim and shoot.
Advantages: Buy ammo at Wally World. Right off the shelf for bird shot. Top notch weapon for $650. Probably the most deadly for the uninitiated rifleman.
Disadvantages: Not for pussies or women or little kids. The thing is a cannon, so arm yourself appropriately.
Number One: You know. The M16/AR-15 .223 Remington 5.56 X 45 mm
Mine is a Double Star AR-15 semi-automatic .223 rifle ($1,000). It has only jammed twice, both due to black followers. Similar problem with FAL. Bad mags make for bad rifles. My Remington 742 Woodmaster also had a “failure to feed, failure to fire” due to bad extraction.
With decent ammo and a good green follower magazine the AR-15 is a very reliable rifle. What does it take to kill a hundred Zombies? Marksmanship, ammo, carried ammo. Marksmanship is my problem, ammo is also my problem, but carried ammo is Blackhawk’s problem. And Blackwater’s. They sell the vests that allow me to carry 12 30-round magazines. The ballistics of the .223 are fine. The round will generally fragment and “puff” after it hits. A tumbling .223 round will kill anyone. It may not kill a hopped-up AQI with the first round, but that’s just because a hopped-up AQI drug addict doesn’t know he’s been shot.
Mine has a carry handle 4X scope. The rifle has a flat top weaver rail, so I could make it much more accurate by mounting the scope on rings. Doesn’t matter much, it hits fine at 100 yards. Good enough for Zombies and al Qaida in the neighborhood.
Advantages: Light weight at 7 pounds. Can carry 400 rounds of ammo in readily available assault vest. Lots of optic options available. Bad ass Black Rifle.
Disadvantages: Shitty magazines on-line. Price of ammo has gone up to $.50 per round.
16 SurvivalTopics.com // Jun 28, 2008 at 10:18 am
Something in the following:
.22LR, 12 gauge, then a 30-30 or 308 or 30-06
IMHO
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18 Weltregierung. // Jul 15, 2008 at 4:17 am
An AK47 for oneself, 3 SKS to arm Friends when needed - and a Ruger 10/22 plus 2 other cheapo .22 weapons.
my 02$.
- Cheersregierung.
19 Hunter // Jul 29, 2008 at 8:15 pm
22LR for shooting varmits.30-30 Winchester model 94 with Williams receiver peep sight, 308 Winchester and 30-06 bolt actions for hunting deer, elk and bear. 45 colt single action vaquero stainless for hunting the backcountry on horseback. 9mm Steyr M9 with 3, 14 round large capacity magazines for traveling. Im a former cop so I try to be prepared. I also have the 30-30 in the trunk with ammo belt with 25 rounds ready to grab and a extra box of ammo for the rifle and pistol in a ammo box. Remington 870 with two different barrels 21″ for slugs or buckshot and the standard field barrel for bird hunting
20 Daniel // Sep 13, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Whoever wrote this list knows nothing about firearms. I have been shooting for many years in basically every caliber and weapon configuration…
#1 is ridiculous… and personally the AK wins the #1 spot. No AK has jammed on me (ever), and I have shot a lot of 7.62×39mm in my life. And i have always hit my target dead on up to decent distances!
Oh, and they are not called clips, a clip is something you use to hold two papers together! Magazine is more like it ; )
21 Phil // Sep 23, 2008 at 7:44 pm
How about a Top Three Guns list? I’d bring my Savage bolt-action .17 HMR for harvesting critter meat, my H&K USP .40 pistolo for up close and personal action, and my Bulgarian SLR-95 AK clone for zombie thumping out to about 150 meters.
22 regimekiller // Sep 24, 2008 at 9:33 pm
i like your list i see all of your points and might agree with the ak loyalists but i wont argue your logic
what i really want to mention is another sub to consider i personally would pick a mossberg 590 12g for the shotgun.
its very reliable tank like in construction and *big smile* has a bayonet mount. a shotgun with a bayonet mount really does it for me
23 CountryTek // Oct 3, 2008 at 12:07 pm
No arguments from me - especially since I have zero experience in the AK/SKS realm. Grew up with a Winchester ‘94, so the .30-30 “lite” AK/SKS round has always interested me. Just haven’t laid my grubbies on one, yet.
Since I was born left-handed, I favor either the Ithaca M-37 or Browning BPS shotguns. (Both bottom ejectors.)
Yeah, you can fire a Mossberg or Winchester left-handed, but that 12-gauge hull whipping through your vision is distracting and sometimes throws hot powder residue your way. You can get a cheap knock off of the M-37 from Norinco, but don’t do it! Spend twice the money and get the real deal. Chinese steel is sh1t, and their quality-control sucks eggs.
For those who wonder, the M-37 was a John Browning design — and the BPS is an update on that design.
M-37 Deerslayer IIs can be picked up as police surplus from time-to-time, as they were very popular, but are being replaced with Mossbergs and Remingtons. With the current financial difficulties, that source will probably dry up for quite a while, as new department issue weapons are usually the first budget item to go — right after training ammo. Both are pities — especially the training ammo. You want the people who pack the badges to be able to hit what they aim at.
I have a weak spot for the M-1A as I know I hit what I aim at with that weapon. But, I’ll probably wind up with an FAL or LAR-8, as the price differential means more ammo and mags.
Right now, my rifle is the do-it-all auld Brit. Yeah, it’s old. It’s ugly. It’s antiquated. It’s also the fastest turnbolt out there. The .303 British falls in between the .308 and ‘06 in power. It packs a 10-round box magazine and you can pick up chargers for it for a buck apiece. (We call ‘em “stripper clips” this side of the pond.) Like the SKS, you were never meant to drop the box — you’re supposed to re-fill it from the chargers. I keep two spare mags just in case I go senile and drop the box someday. Mine had its barrel (and bayonet lug) bobbed and the stock re-worked by Holland & Holland. Loss of the lug doesn’t bother me at all — the Spirit of the Bayonet no longer lives in me. If I’m dry and being charged by a Zombie — that’s what a pistol is for, right? Did I mention that the .303 was originally a black powder round? Not a bad thing if TEOTWAWKI lasts more than a few months . . . But by the time I run out of smokeless powder, it’ll be up to my sons to come up with a powder recipe. I’ll be beyond combat by then. (Yep! That’ll be me . . . Sitting in the rocking chair with a pump gun across my lap.) =;o))
If I had deep pockets, I’d have one of those Barrett 50s - along with a couple gun safes full of a variety of black rifles - but my pockets seem to be getting shallower by the day. Got my pump, got my Brit, got my .22 — next up is one of them handgun thingies. Just call me “Quigley” - I just don’t have much use for ‘em. They serve a valuable purpose, but they’re just not my favorite arms.
I’m thinking Glock. May be contrary and get the 20 - just because everyone says not to. I’m not expecting any Friendly G.I. Fairies to gift me with truckloads of ammo, and I live in bear country. I got big hands and learned how to shoot combat with a S&W M-29, so I think I can handle the recoil of the 10mm. I’d be happier if Beretta would do their Cougar or PX4 in 10mm, but they don’t, so it looks like Glock.
Cheers!
OCT
24 Kyro // Oct 30, 2008 at 11:32 pm
You left out FALs… lots are still available in the U.S. for under $700 and many with chrome-lined bores/chambers.
Obsene amounts of metric mags and parts floating around in the states too. Adjustable gas-system (all you need is thumb-and forefinger) can make it fire in the most extreme cold (close gas off for this) or if you’re in the extreme heat and your loads are a little “hot” (open the gas up a bit to bleed off excess).
Infantryman accurate, and on-the-fly slide rear diopter aperature can go from 200m to 600m range in about a second (and it actually WORKS well on any setting).
Tough as nails. Highly customizable. Ergonomic. Great balance. Right arm of the free world.
FAL baby… FAL.
25 Kyro // Oct 30, 2008 at 11:34 pm
*obscene
26 Marty // Nov 7, 2008 at 4:40 pm
I just bought a Beretta CX4 for this reason. 9mm is compatible with pistols, too. One of my .22’s is the unique AR-7, easy to store, and it floats, too! A couple of rifles, a few pistols, lots of ammo and a shortwave radio.
27 THE SHINDIGS... // Nov 11, 2008 at 9:19 am
YA, I LIKE THE AK AND THE MOSSBERG!
…YES, BUT WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO THE BEAUTY OF A MINI 14?
28 9mm Fan // Nov 25, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Any one who think 9mm is a pussy round please stand in front of one.
Shot placement is always key!
29 SurvivalFreak // Dec 5, 2008 at 5:28 pm
ACP…. Automatic CHAMBERING pistol.
30 Dawg // Dec 20, 2008 at 10:37 pm
I would have to pick the MIA as #1. The ability to shoot far and through heavy brush makes it a very good SHTF weapon. The ammo is heavy, but I’d take the beating to have this rifle.
31 Hacksaw Magee // Jan 15, 2009 at 5:17 am
The only good thing about the AR-15/M-16 family of rifles is the fact that guys like you buy them from me for about double what I paid for them! Hahahaha!
32 bhZX10R // Feb 19, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Hey I find it interesting that people can be so alike when it comes to our own survival. The basics come back to mind. Stocking up food now is the smartest thing to do and of coarse if you need some fire power and don’t already have it what are you waiting for??? The 6 o’clock news to tell you “Yup it has happened, The country/world is in deep shit” You know when you see this it is too late… I feel you need 5 good weapons. Me being an X Dessert Shield/Storm vet I can tell you what it is like not knowing what will happen. I was of coarse sitting behind a 25 Mike Mike and Tow Missles with a 7.62 coaxle machine gun (Rapid Firing) Turret Mounted. Well not having this luxury now, I own and am working on owning the following. DPMS A4/7.62 w/ EO Tech Hal0gram with drop down compensator reticle with 4x magnifier (to work in close combat if needed and to reach out and touch someone as well), Remington 1187 Parkerized Police 12 guage semi auto and w/ 2 3/4″ shells you can pack em in(a good wall killer to, if you are in my house I will get you , hide all you want….), Colt AR-15 with EO Tech dot reticle and manual flip sights (I shot the shit out of these in my 4 yr stint in the 1st BN/7th INF, God is great for creating the 5.56, I never qualified under 38 out of 40 on the range with pop up timed targets as far as 300 yds, And I love that everyone agrees on the Ruger 10/22, my first gun was bought by my parents on Christmas in 1983 and yes it was a 10/22. Can’t say more than has already been said except that if you walk unwelcomed down my street I can put one between your eyes “goodnight”. Last but of coarse not least my finally is non other than the Weatherby MARK V Deluxe 300mag @ 4150 fps/ 130grain -220 grain with enough brass to reach past your ankles– and the knock down power of a military 5ton. It in my opinion is the flatest shooting, nastiest sounding, neatest looking, and down right I will get you at 800 yds + everytime. don’t beleive me. Come to the Wyoming plains with me and we will put some money down and we will see how far we can get from an antelope. We will then put more money on the table and it’s on. Pow wow wow wow wow. Bet you I bagged em… Truth be known everyone has there prefered comforts. Thought I would share mine with you. Great Blog.
33 Jaime // Mar 1, 2009 at 10:32 am
Maybe not your top 10 but something to think about in regards to your thoughts about a Ruger 10/22. A very high-end .117 pellet rifle is excellent for survival. A couple of reasons 1) its a lot quieter than a .22, so you could use it in a local park to bag small game and not get much notice, and 2) you can pack 2 or 3 times of 500 pellets in a very small space. Also, it needs no powder so no worries about keeping your powder dry. Something to think about …
34 Jaime // Mar 1, 2009 at 10:33 am
ooopss meant .177 pellet gun….my bad
35 Southern Survivalist // Mar 2, 2009 at 4:15 pm
If you want a pellet gun why dont you go with the .22 pellet gun with field pellets. packs twice the punch of the .177 and is just as quiet.
36 Southern Survivalist // Mar 2, 2009 at 4:27 pm
top five list:
1. ruger 10/22
2. ak 47
3. remington 870
4. 308
5. springfield xd 40cal.
37 Timmy boy // Mar 3, 2009 at 10:18 pm
I was turned onto the survival movement about three months ago, and have been spending all my free time and money prepping and studying since. This is the first mention of a good pellet gun I have herd of, but have thought about it much. If I had a dollar for every bird, rabbit, and squirrel I shot with one of these as a boy, I could afford on of those 50 cals
38 WarHorse // Mar 6, 2009 at 12:27 am
Youre all forgetting a great rifle…..If the AK47 mated with the AR15 youd have the super underated isreali - GALIL that shoots .223, but is built as a more precise shooting AK action!!!
Sorry guys, but the Galil kicks the ARs a s s in reliability, and kicks the AKs ass in accuracy.
39 Brandon // Mar 11, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Your #1 dosent make since to me bacuse when TSHTF i dont forsee having alot of time to clean and lube my rifle. I know from personal experence that the m4/m16/ar-15 WILL jamb if not lubed regularly and kept fairly clean. what happens when you loose your cleaning kit or run outa lube? or say you get caught in a storm and your rifle is trashed with mud, rain, and horse shit? think your going to have time to stop and clean that POS? SKS and AK are #1, Glock, Remington 870, and the handy Ka-Bar are also up there.
40 straycat1911 // Mar 30, 2009 at 1:01 pm
My qualifications? Never been Special Forces, SEALS, Green Berets or anything close. Spent 4 years in the AF, got out as an E-4. Nothing special. But I know what I like and I know an eternal truth. My favorites? In no particular order, Mossberg 590 12 ga with XS front sight; M-1 .30 carbine(especially after I stock up on the new HP ammo Speer has announced);Ruger 10/22; Colt 1911 .45; Ruger GP100 .357 Magnum. (125 JHP, baby!) The eternal truth? Regardless of caliber or weapon, NO ONE ENJOYS BEING SHOT! Final advice; top priorities should be..Faith, Food/Water, Health, Firearms, and Knowledge! Keep your heads down, all.
41 CaptainAloha // Mar 31, 2009 at 4:13 am
Pistol Sig-Sauer P220 Combat with threaded barrel 45 ACP
Rifle AR-10 .308 and Romanian AK47
Shotgun Saiga 12 gauge semi auto with 20 round drum mag
Derringer Bond Derringer 45long colt / 410 gauge shotgun round
42 caleb scott dicus // Mar 31, 2009 at 10:44 am
it is veeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy ggggggggggoooooooooooooodddddddddddddd
43 oldmanriver // Apr 26, 2009 at 10:18 am
In my mind the fewer moving parts the better, expensive scopes and electronic stuff is going to break or run out of juice. Want something thats going to last and not be finicky if it hasnt been cleaned, dropped on the ground or you have to use it as club. Get real good using the iron sites.
If the SHTF its going to last a lot longer than 2 months. If you are going to go it alone or with just your family to fight off a small army you are screwed anyhow the way I see it, dosnt matter how much lead you can throw in to the air. Main thing is to be good enough with whatever you got so that you dont need a second shot, every bullet has to count. Better to keep your head down and stay out of trouble, once they find you its not going to matter and better yet form your own small army and take all the stuff that the lone wolf types have stashed once you wait them out.
22 bolt action or single shot rifle
357 revolver (2 options common ammo)
12 gauge shotgun double barrel or pump
30 cal rifle, bolt action or single shot.
44 lee // May 12, 2009 at 7:47 am
SKS? I can hit a 5 inch group at 200yards, cheap. never malfuctions. good enough for social work. my back up 30/06 180 grain
45 Armor71 // May 12, 2009 at 6:34 pm
Springfield M1A For long range and SOCOM16 for CQB Both tried and true weapons. A 10/22 for game and Springfield XD .45 ACP for a secondary/sidearm/CCW, An 870 rem for a backup CQB weapon. A savage 30-06 For some serious affordable knockdown power. And a fucking fuckton of ammo. Now thats a serious loadout
46 Morg308 // Jun 18, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Great Blog. I disagree strongly with the OP’s opinion on the SKS however - it is likely the best ’survival’ rifle you can get. Simple, robust, no magazines to be damaged or lost, fires a round ballistically similiar to the .30-30 but more accurate, very simple to train on, and you can get right on the ground on a ‘two way range.’ If it doubles, then the trigger group has been screwed with by some idiot, and there is a guy on SKSboards (Kivaari) who does excellent work, and who can correct this cheaply. FWIW, I’ve seen some shitty Colt quality control as well.
Lately I’ve been building ‘retro’ Ar15s, and my respect for them has grown immensely, despite the DI op system. I only buy the best components I can. I have a number of weapons, but am concentrating on an SBR semi clone of an RO635 (10″ 9mm AR) to go with my SIG P6.
Not a high cap, but very concealable. I also am a fan of Mosin-Nagants and Mausers, as well as the Enfield. Have one of each right now - the Mauser will get scoped and I expect to spend more time shooting it than anything else, except maybe my Xm16E1 clone (All 1966 except for legal parts & lower) I’m confident that if it came down to it, the 55gr FMJ out of my ‘old school’ AR15 would be acceptably lethal, especially with the old 3×20 Colt scope on it.
With something like that 8mm Mauser or Mosin carbine (MBR) as a primary weapon, a slung 6lb 9mm AR and the SIG, I think I should be able to handle most issues while on the move, no matter what range. Defending the house / loaners to neighbors will be the SKSs and the other ARs. I agree with the OP that a basic, AR carbine in 1:7 or 1:9 and a decent handgun would get you 99.9% of the way there. My Great Uncle walked across two continents in WWII with an M1 carbine and a 1911. He had issues with the carbine’s effectiveness, but said it did a pretty good job for the most part - with SP instead of FMJ I’m sure it would have been different. ha had NO issues with the .45, and said that took of any problems the carbine wouldn’t. He went through the Battle of the Bulge among other things, so I can only imagine. he didn’t talk much about it.
Frankly, IMO a .30-30 and a good .357 revolver or 1911 (depending on your ability.skill level with automatics) plus a 12 Gauge and a .22 rifle plus lots of ammo ought to get anyone through evil times.
No hi-tech weapon can replace training or comfort level. The SIG pistol BTW is the fastest handgun to squared, centered sights I’ve ever handled. The ergonomics are tits, at least for me. Same with the AR15. If I was crossing a desert with no resupply, my choice would be an AK - lighter than the SKS, but the SKS can be very accurate depending on the weapon - my Yugo is a 2 moa gun.
Ultimately, it’s a lot like guitar arguments - some people like Les Pauls, Some like Strats, some like Teles…but to a real pro, it doesn’t matter. I’ve heard real players take a $30 plywood guitar from a kid and rock the world with it. It’s the person handling the thing, not the weapon.
Familiarity with the weapon, speed of reloads, and calmness under fire is what will get you home in one piece. A guy who knows what he’s doing with his $59 Mosin with Mojo sights is a lot more dangerous than some mall ninja with the latest and greatest who forgets to turn his optic on and chamber a round. In an altercation between the two, odds are the guy with the MN is going to have some new gear right soon.
47 JC // Jun 21, 2009 at 6:56 pm
Very good information and I agree with most as applied to specific conditions and circumstances. SKS might be a risky one as I have had some problems and read some articles in gun smith magazines that says I am not alone. They apparently did not chrome-line the barrels and the cartidge feed area, and it has a tendancy to slam file when the cartidge (that fire) does not fully eject - something I have seen and experienced personally (from owning more than one). Any tool that has unreliable or has unpredictable problems or ecentricities can be a serious liability; good point someone made about keeping something (like that) for barter (especially ammo)- despite the high cost of most ammo, the 762 x 39 is not as expensive as 308 or 223.
Some additional things to consider: The best firearm is the “one you have with you”… and even better is the one that you have (adequate) ammo for. See the costs of ammo now? I have been preaching in the past few years that they would get around to taxing or pricing the ammo out of existance and it appears to be happening; your gun is (or will be) a fancy club at that point. The Ruger M77 (or comparable) is probably a better choice (in 22 caliber - which everyone should have at least one hand and long gun) than the 10/22 (it just more expensive). The 10/22 magazine may jam at the wrong time and you might find yourself wasting ammo (because it is easier to).
Everyone one knows that 22s and shotguns will probably be the last ones to be taken away. The point one person made about any kind of pellet gun is extremely valid. Lewis and Clark carried one with them on their core of discovery and the quietness of the weapon kept them alive and fed many times. If you are counting all important things, throw in a recurve bow, arrows, and a sturdy knife while you are at it. Check out knifetests.com for some (surprisingly not the most expensive or best brands) that hold up the best to real extreme abuse.
48 Saddle Tramp // Jul 18, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Good list. Here are my curent weapons of choise. Rem. 700 bull barrel .308, Rem. 870 12ga, Springfiel XD .45 , Ruger 10/.22,Malin30-30, M1A1, TC Contender: 30-30;
.45longcolt/.410; .44mag; .22 , Ruger .44 mag, and my all time costant companion 24/7 my Walther P22. backed up with a rasor sharp SOG Flash and a Tazer disguised as a cell phone.
BUY THE BEST SREW THE REST!!
Always moving on
Texas Saddle Tramp
49 Today's Survival // Aug 1, 2009 at 12:53 am
Glock 19, Marlin 1894C .357, Rem 870 12 gauge, .22lr., Kahr P9
Also must be “very concealed” on the G19.
You must have at least one pistol, rifle, shotgun,.22lr
Check these, http://www.todayssurvival.com/?page_id=330
50 armyvet // Aug 11, 2009 at 5:50 pm
There is no question the ar15 had its problems in the past, but for those of you who have shot one recently know they are worlds away from what they used to be. If you really think some dirt or horse shit is going to stop the modern ar, think again. our armed forces operate with this weapon every day, all over the world. I also like the AK for its durability and ammo availability. pray for peace.
51 Todd // Aug 12, 2009 at 12:35 pm
Glad I’ve got a few of these bad boys in the safe
52 mila // Aug 15, 2009 at 10:20 am
Hello World
53 Bill Bartmann // Sep 2, 2009 at 6:01 am
Great site…keep up the good work.
54 Michael Devolin // Sep 29, 2009 at 11:12 pm
Longest distance kill
Canadian sniper in Afghanistan.Two Canadian snipers of the same Princess Patricia’s Canadian Light Infantry (PPCLI) regiment sniper team made the longest recorded sniper kills in history with this weapon in Afghanistan during Operation Anaconda in the Shah-i-Kot Valley. On a March afternoon in 2002 Master Corporal Arron Perry killed an enemy combatant from 2,310 meters (2,526 yd/1.435 miles) and Corporal Rob Furlong killed an enemy combatant from 2,430 meters (2,657 yd/1.509 miles) with 750 grain Hornady A-MAX very-low-drag bullets.[2][3] It is the longest-ever recorded kill by a sniper in combat, surpassing the mark of 2,286 meters set by U.S. Marine Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock during the Vietnam War.[4][5][6] The five-man Canadian sniper team, including MCpl Graham Ragsdale (Team Commander), MCpl Tim McMeekin, MCpl Arron Perry, Cpl Dennis Eason, and Cpl Rob Furlong, killed over 20, and were awarded Bronze stars.
55 Michael Devolin // Sep 29, 2009 at 11:19 pm
The sniper rifle used by the Canadian sniper in Afghanistan was a MacMillan TAC 50. It was not a Barret.
56 Marc // Oct 3, 2009 at 12:58 am
Well, I have three out of the ten.
Ar-15 A2, Scoped with Colt glass
12 Ga pump Riot gun/w lots of 00 Buck
.45 Mk IV Series 70 Colt Gov
I also have:
.357 Mag Coonan Auto-Heck of a handful, Fun
.357 Mag Rossi lever ranch gun (Fun gun # 2)
.22 Ruger scoped auto (wife’s squirrel gun)
.410 break two barrel (my squirrel gun)
My shooting range is out my back door…I love country living. We bailed the city in 2000. never looked back.
57 Marc // Oct 3, 2009 at 1:07 am
Oops, missed one.
.177 barrel break, air rifle, scoped. 1000fps
for emergency food supply.
58 Me // Oct 16, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Just to let everyone know, the Ruger 10/22 is one of my personal favorite guns of all time.
Just one quick story as a testament to it’s durability;
My father has one as a knock around gun, plain Jane carbine with open sights. He uses it to take out rodents in the grain shed and what not. He left this gun out in the grain shed, which only has half a roof (long story). This gun gets rained on at least twice and 4 inches of snow, muzzle up!
I find it after the snowstorm one weekend when I am back from college and bring it in to strip it (very easy I may add) and clean it.
I do all of this and find that half of the rear plastic sight is broken (owners know what I mean). So I tighten down the one remaining screw and take it outside to test fire it.
I was able to put 5 shots in a pop can from 10 yards away in a 2.5 inch group. Not too bad for a beat-up .22 with half a rear sight.
Bottom line. Buy one, NOW!
59 Azrael // Nov 15, 2009 at 8:05 am
I own SKS and a AR-15 and both have their advantages and disavantages I like the SKS because it is simple rugged and can take a lot of abuse and keep on putting lead down range. the AR-15 on the other hand is complicated and somewhat delicate however having a 30 round magazine is a huge bonus. I also own a Remington m870 folding stock extended tube 12 gauge and a Glock m23 40 cal for close in work. I Really consider my collection complete with the exception of a good scoped rifle I am considering a Remington 710 in 30.06 my father had one of those and I really liked it and would like to own one of my own.
60 Today's Survival Show // Nov 15, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Anyone here have any thoughts on the new Ruger Mini 14 tactical, with short thicker barrel and flash hider, synthetic stock and nice sights? I’ve been considering one to round out my collection. I like the .223 round but can’t afford an AR, local gun shop has one for $599.
61 bizzy // Nov 17, 2009 at 2:41 am
I agree with the guys saying less moving parts the better! My personal choices would be simple weapons with very common calibers. 357 revolver, 9mm Glock, double barrel 12 gauge, couple bolt action rifles in .22 and .308, and of course an AK. Always carry a good quality knife and bear mace if you’re gonna be in the forest. A nice long bow surely wouldn’t hurt either!
62 Bluemalibu // Nov 24, 2009 at 2:56 am
Q- “Anyone here have any thoughts on the new Ruger Mini 14 tactical”
A- If you’re looking for an accurate .223, RUN, do not walk away from this gun. I like Rugers… I have eight of them, from .338WinMag to .22 My M77 Mountain Rifle in .270 will group .42 at 100m. But I spent a year and a half trying to get a Mini 14 to shoot, three different stocks, glass bedding, free floating, nothing worked to get sub-6″ groups from 50m with that piece of junk.
63 Churchill // Nov 24, 2009 at 12:03 pm
There are a few comanies in US offering gas piston AR’s that will shoot 223, .762×39, 6.8spc with a quick barrel & bolt change.
This is a growing trend, and by chance, perfect for a survivalist.
SCrew the gun grabbers - they are messing with your basic human right to self defense; while the thugs continue to stay armed to the teeth.
Support the NRA and give any politicial a hard time that promotes disarming you or making you register your guns.
Freedom is something that must be fought for everyday.
64 Churchill // Nov 24, 2009 at 12:10 pm
The democrats are back - watch and see what I’m talking about.
BTW - Californians that voted in all those laws are a JOKE. They should impounded and sent to communist China.
DID it lower crime? Did the gang bangers stop carrying & using their arsenal of concealed weapons???
Epic fail!!!!! Screw hollywierd gun grabbing douchebags. They don’t even know what reality is.
65 Today's Survival Show // Nov 25, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Also need to add Remington 870 or Mossberg 500 to the list. Hard to argue with possessing a good handgun (Glock, XD, 1911) and a shotgun. With the combo of both, you do a lot!
66 Mr.Z // Dec 11, 2009 at 9:31 pm
Good list. I agree with the faults of an AR. I have a Saiga in .223. It has many of the advantages of an AR with the easy of cleaning an AK. You’re suppose to clean it? If I’m bored.
Yes the mags are more expensive.
I’ve tricked mine out with collapsable stock and tri-rails. Gotta .22lr marlin 60 (wife likes that). Now if I could only get my hands on a .45, .40 or a 9mm. A good mossie shotgun would round out my arsenal.
67 oceanside 300 // Dec 16, 2009 at 7:56 pm
Three years ago I would have felt weard stock pileing ammo, food, guns, but today it is as normal as buying groceries. I agree with the ARs and XDs but you are definately spot on with the use of 22s. You can train women and children easy and with that well place round it is lights out for Mr. looter.
68 WeAllFallDown // Dec 28, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Don’t know if it was mentioned but…
Springfield Armory XD .45 ACP carries 13 rounds in the magazine…..
Heard it is an OUTSTANDING hand cannon….
plan on picking one up in the next month along with getting my CC permit……about damn time!
69 Sinjin // Jan 12, 2010 at 12:16 am
Timberwolf pump rifle in .357 mag
Ruger sp101 3″ in .357 mag
Norinco SKS paratrooper with T6 stock and
20 round magazines
Taurus 62 pump with 16″ barrel in.22 Very accurate and reliable .22
70 Jeremy // Jan 14, 2010 at 10:46 am
I have to agree about the springfield xd 45. It is the first handgun i ever bought, however i have fired glocks, 1911s, sigs, taurus, s&w m&p (very good as well a close 2nd) as a matter of fact im suprised more people have not talked about the m&p and xd. But anyway i would also have a mossberg 500 on the list, cheaper (so more ammo) and just as good as a 870 for sd. and for reaching out i would take a rem 700 .30-06. and last but not least my 10/20
But then again it is what ever your good with. for example i have been shooting 30-06s since i was 8 and the 308 just doesn’t feel right to me
71 Dave // Jan 17, 2010 at 4:51 pm
The best gun to have is the one you have in your hand
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