I have a relative who thinks global warming is a hoax. He also thinks, among other things, that the Rapture is imminent, that the Devil is alive on earth in human form (and in fact participated in Dick Cheney’s secret energy policy meetings that caused such a stink some years ago), and that there are FEMA death camps located throughout the country, where the Bush administration, no, scratch that, the Obama administration, is going to swoop down and put us all one day.
In fact, he insisted that there was a death camp location in Maine, where I live. I checked it out - it’s a municipal airport. In any event, no one’s going to put us in death camps. We have guns. 200 million guns, by some estimates. And who is it that’s supposed to put us in these camps, exactly? The police? We are the police. The military? We are the military. We are the firemen. We are the first responders of every stripe. I’m always baffled by people who expect to get placed in FEMA death camps. FEMA did such a heckuva job with Hurricane Katrina, that the last thing I ever worry about is stormtroopers from FEMA pounding on my door in the dead of night.
But on to global warming. Listen, I don’t like Al Gore, either. But to believe that global warming is a hoax is to not believe in science, the very thing that has created much of the modern world you see around you today. In fact, it’s to believe that thousands of scientists, from all over the world, are deliberately pulling the wool over everybody’s eyes. How would you keep a conspiracy that large going? Eventually, somebody would crack and say, “Hey listen, we made it up. There is no global warming.” Wouldn’t they?
Worse, to not believe in global warming is to not believe the evidence piling up right in front of your own eyes. I’ve lived in Maine for some time now, and I’ve been visiting here for much of my life. Which means I’ve been swimming in the ocean waters on the coast of Maine for many years. Everybody knows the deal about the water in Maine - it’s COLD! Except it isn’t anymore.
There is a beach not too far from where I live. I’ve been swimming there for ten years. In the early years, I would put a wetsuit on and swim back and forth across the bay. No one else would be in the water. It was bone-jarringly cold. It was an exercise in Mind Over Matter. My jaw would ache. My feet and hands would go numb. People used to go to this beach to sit on the sand and look at the sailboats out in the bay. Not to swim.
In recent years, I’ve noticed more and more people getting in the water at this same beach. I’ve gone there a few times this year. Now everybody gets in the water, at least for a little while. Why? Because the water is cool. It’s refreshing. It isn’t cold. And global warming isn’t a hoax.
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1 noisynick // Aug 25, 2009 at 6:42 am
Your totally right…….
We are the Government except for a few folks who forgot that fact and want to be scared of everything. You just can’t live like that.
2 noisynick // Aug 25, 2009 at 6:42 am
Your totally right…….
We are the Government except for a few folks who forgot that fact and want to be scared of everything. You just can’t live like that.
3 ag // Aug 25, 2009 at 7:01 am
Not agreeing Not Dis-agreeing
But I would recommend reading two books by Robert Felix. His website cane be found at
http://www.evolutionaryleaps.com/
4 nm // Aug 25, 2009 at 7:38 am
I think research would find just as much scientific evidence to disprove gloal warming. It just doesn’t get the media attention that the “crisis” of global warming gets.
5 nm // Aug 25, 2009 at 7:55 am
And just for the record, I do not consider myself in the know for either argument. I am just saying that there are plenty of scientists out there that are not on the GW band wagon. Personally, I believe that we are seeing change, but that it is just cyclical. After all, there is plenty of data available to prove that global temps have been decreasing since the late 90’s.
6 Anonymous // Aug 25, 2009 at 8:40 am
You are going to catch holy hell for this post!
I’ve never understood the tendency that so many of us in the preparedness/conservative/pr0-2A/etc. group have towards ignoring the science on this subject. I’m not saying warming is or isn’t happening… I’m not a climate scientist, so I have no authority to speak on the subject. However, many (I’ll even say most) climate scientists DO say that it is. I’m inclined to believe people who have made a career out of studying something… especially when a great many of them have reached the same conclusion.
The same scientific method that led them to their opinion has also given us air travel, modern medicine, computers, safe water supplies, and most of the other things that make life bearable. Anyone is free to ignore science if they want, but I certainly wouldn’t recommend it.
7 Sput // Aug 25, 2009 at 9:17 am
Rangerman, the bullshit about the average temperature being a crisis is what the problem is. Gore is chicken-shit-little and the sky is falling. The Earth goes through cycles all the time — the Norsemen had prosperous farms on Greenland, but had to resort to raiding when the temperature dropped and turned it into an ice sheet. The Solar flare cycle has just bottomed out, so watch for some nasty winters — cold kills more people than heat
8 Mayberry // Aug 25, 2009 at 9:22 am
Well “science” is telling us that the sea level is rising. I’ve lived less than two miles from the Laguna Madre, and 10 miles from the Gulf of Mexico my whole life, and have run around in boats on both quite frequently that whole time. The levels of these two bodies haven’t risen one inch….
Also, the average temperatures have been DROPPING for the last ten years. Pick up a Farmer’s Almanac and you’ll see that, plotted out in a nice little graph.
“Global Warming” (now “conveniently” called climate change in light of the fact that temps are dropping) is false. It is perpetuated by governments because it is a convenient platform to base ever more draconian regulations and control. It’s a handy base for more excessive taxation. It’s a new angle on the great big Ponzi scheme. And as our pal Rahm Emmanuel said “never waste a good “crisis”….
9 Jack // Aug 25, 2009 at 9:26 am
I don’t really believe in the FEMA camps, and I think the 200 million firearms would be a powerful deterent, however…
The comment about “who is it that’s supposed to put us in these camps, exactly? … We are the police. …We are the military. We are the firemen. We are the first responders of every stripe.” doesn’t make a lot of sense either. The communist who killed 40-60 million Russian citizens were Russians; the nazis who put millions of German Jews, Catholics, and other “undesirables” to death were Germans. There are tons of examples throughout history of governments abusing their own citizens -with the help of their own citizens.
On global warming, I have read of thousands of scientists that disagree that global warming is caused by humans or carbon levels. All weather is cyclical and always has been, just look at historical records - there have been cooler periods with more carbon, and warmer periods with less carbon in recent recorded history. We’re running around like a bunch of superstitious fools screaming “the sky is falling” without real proof.
You state “Eventually, somebody would crack and say, “Hey listen, we made it up. There is no global warming.” ” - and there have been lots of scientists who have come out and said that - and they have been persecuted and fired by businesses and government agencies that have something to gain from a “global warming emergency”.
Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it. - Winston Churchill
10 Earl Stanley // Aug 25, 2009 at 10:15 am
People who believe in Global Warming crack me up.
11 Joe Dokes // Aug 25, 2009 at 11:48 am
Some ones been drinking the kool-aid. Tell us how the weather is in December or January up there in Maine. And take off that tin foil hat.
12 ale // Aug 25, 2009 at 1:20 pm
wow, this post was interesting. I don’t believe in global warming. I believe in climate change. I don’t believe in anthropogenic climate change either. I do believe the climate is changing but just because one beach is getting colder means very little. Global warming huh, why don’t you come visit me in fairbanks alaska. Then we will talk about global warming. The last winter has been the most extreme to date and the summers are definitely getting cooler. But once again this really means nothing. I am not religious, I am a firm believer in science. Being a firm believer in science, I know that scienctists get in over their head sometimes. Also science has approved of many things throughout the past which have been thoroughly debunked now. Science is not the pinnacle of perfection. In fat most of the engineering you speak of that built the world around us has been developed over a long amount of time. Well, not all of it. Aerospace is a new field unfortunately not everything has happened exactly how we envisioned it in the aerospace field. Just because we can predict the weather about as well as we can guess by flipping a coin does not mean that climatology is a perfected science. However, I will say that we are probably contributing to climate change. To what level are we contributing? Are we so insignificant compared to the sun and earth borne co2 emitters that if we all died today climate change would continue on its path? or are we such a huge role that driving a hybrid will stop climate change in its tracks? This is where the junk science comes in. More and more scientists are falling off of the bandwagon. Most of the front of the global warming parade are politicians not scientists. So saying that not believing in global warming is not believing in science is just plain bullshit. maybe a better way to put it is not believing in global is being sceptical of that conclusion. Also, as a disclaimer I would like to say that I am not a conservative or a religious nutjob, normally i would not need to clarify this but since people like pinning certain labels to certain groups (also, liberals hate guns, conservatives like smaller government) and global warming has become more of a political and media deal I feel if i had not said this i would immediately be labeled as such.
13 Son of Gib // Aug 25, 2009 at 4:51 pm
It is not that global warming is a hoax, but Man-made global warming is a hoax.
14 CaptainMike // Aug 25, 2009 at 5:32 pm
There is no question that overall the planet is getting warmer. Any source that tells you otherwise is simply lying. The oceans, especially the deep oceans are getting considerably warmer. The amount of Carbon dioxide in the air is increasing dramatically. Warmer salt water reacts more quickly with CO2 to cause acidification, Warmer temps combined with higher CO2 concentrations are unquestionably resulting in the acidification of the oceans. This scares the bejeesus out of me. I have been working in the field for 20 years and trust me, I am looking both at the forest AND the trees, as are the majority of climatologists. This is some truly scary stuff, go look at the source data and don’t take anyones word for it. The data is real, I have seen most of it and collected quite a bit of it (for the Atlantic basin anyway). Please don’t listen to me though, Or Glenn Beck, or Rush, Or Al Gore. Look at the Data.
15 spook45 // Aug 25, 2009 at 6:37 pm
intersting view; With that I say that anyone who can pass 5th grade science can debunk global warming. Its a crock of bullshit for some highly invested assholes to leach more of your money into thier pockets. We are acctually in a cooling trend and it is going to get colder. This because of a combination of the pitch of the earths axis, it current position in its cycle of rotation combined w/ etc etc etc…. its going back the other way now just as it did last time hundreds of years ago. Do some thurough research suported by fact and you will find the truth. There are a few hundred supporters of the fucked up idea of global warming and then there are thousands fo climatologists, meteorologists and variious other scientists in ovelapping feilds that say just what Im saying. do the research and discover the truth.
16 CaptainMike // Aug 25, 2009 at 7:08 pm
Despite whatever oil-industry funded, deeply flawed research the apologists spout off about, the real data as measured by peer-reviewed research with calibrated instruments since records have been kept shows an undeniable uptrend in both temp and CO2 concentrations. I have been in the field collecting data for 20 years in every ocean of the world, and I can say with a great degree of certainty that you (spook45) are flatly wrong.
17 3rdman // Aug 25, 2009 at 9:08 pm
What they will not tell about man made global warming if that is what it is. That we should have entered into a mini ice age by this time if you follow the ice records of the past. So maybe man made global warming is not a bad thing after all.
18 Iraq War Vet // Aug 26, 2009 at 1:02 am
What I am concerned about is the sun’s lack of sunspot activity. NOAH is now stating that this solar minimum is is the longest in a century, and that we may well be entering into what is known as a “Dalton Minimun”. If this happens, we could very well be entering into a mini “ice age”.
Whether or not this planet is facing a “warming” or a “cooling”, humanity as a whole is not properly prepared to face either of these calamities if they are now happening.
My gut feeling tells me that humanity is facing a massive “die off”. How this can or will happen is the big question, for there are too many variables to take into account.
We as “survivalist” must try and prep for whatever faces us, and no we will never be able to plan and prep for every concievable road to TEOTWAWKI if and when that event happens. As the old saying goes, “plan for the worst, but hope for the best”.
19 Rain23 // Aug 26, 2009 at 5:06 am
Sometimes I think we are the most amazingly arrogant and ignorant people in history. Of course climate change is real. Ask the former colonists of Greenland. It’s been going on for a while. Our fossil fuel activities may or may not have affected the current trends, and we can all argue about that until we get dengue fever in Canada or freeze to death in a Florida winter.
The climate has been swinging since the earliest times we are able to scientifically investigate. It’s probably not going to stop doing so tomorrow, no matter how many people don’t believe in it. Oddly enough, the planet seems to operate independently of our theories.
20 No ME Preppy // Aug 26, 2009 at 12:05 pm
About winter in Northern Maine…
Last winter had some of the coldest temps on record (-50 without the wind). And yes, some people froze to death. The winter before had THE MOST snow on record (about 200 inches). And yes, some people couldn’t get out of their homes. This summer has had some of the warmest temps in a while (albeit we’ve also had a mess-load of rain, which DID NOT help the potato crop at all, There’s blight everywhere). There hasn’t been weather as messed up as this in Northern Maine since the 1950’s.
Climate change is real.
As for those accusing RangerMan of blaming people for it, read his post again. He never said anything of the sort…. ya bunch of ignorant reactivists.
21 Abraham // Aug 26, 2009 at 8:14 pm
I don’t see how anyone can logically deny that Billions (000,000,000) of people emitting hundreds of millions of tons of greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide and sulfur dioxide have an effect on their environment. Sit in your garage with your car running and tell me emissions have no effect.
22 FarmerMechanic // Aug 26, 2009 at 9:36 pm
Something to read..
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124597505076157449.html
23 irishdutchuncle // Aug 27, 2009 at 2:46 am
the actual hottest year on record happened during the dust bowl. (1936 i think) it’s a good thing we have all those guns because, i for one at least, plan to continue emiting CO2, using any means necessary.
5th grade science indeed told us that plants (also made mostly of carbon, just like us) need the CO2 to produce their own food. (releasing oxygen in the process, which we all need to breathe) warm temperatures and increased CO2 levels are obviously a gift, because it can potentially result in more vegetation, and O2 for we HUMANS to eat and breathe. of course that could mean that malthus was wrong, and the planet could support as many creatures as the creator chooses to create.
24 Tactic // Aug 27, 2009 at 12:27 pm
First time I’ve visited your Blog…I cannot believe you buy into that crap. I live in Maine as well, have for 38 years, and it has clearly been getting colder over the past five years not warmer. The one constant is “Climate Change” that is what the Climate does. The weather changes. Enough of this Chicken Little Crap!
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124597505076157449.html#printMode
25 No ME Preppy // Aug 27, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Wells and Washburn are two VERY different parts of Maine. Which are you closer to Tactic, or are you “in between?”
26 Bitmap // Aug 27, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Here is a story about “global warming”:
http://www.breitbart.tv/august-in-new-hampshire-temperatures-dropping-into-the-30s/
27 Angry Mike // Aug 27, 2009 at 4:10 pm
I believe global warming is partly due to emmissions and other polutants. I also believe the earth is in a cycle and warming up. What goes up must come down. That is where we humans will have the problem.
I once heard (however do not know if its true) that the planet goes through extreme temperature cycles every 20,000-70,000 years.
Something is going on with the weather, what it is and what causes it is beyond my simple mind and education level. Mother nature has her way of getting fleas off of her back. We are just fleas. She will kill us if we make her itch too much.
FEMA death camps…I have heard this before and even Google earthed some claimed locations. Is it possible that they are real? Sure it is. Do I believe it? No. Do I give a shit? No.
If it is true…they will probably need a helluva a lot more camps than they bargained for because every patriot (with or without a gun) will be in the streets looking for their asses and I will bet most orders WOULD NOT be followed by military personnel. They had better get EVERYONE in ONE day.
If some limp dick politician orders a “round up” he had best make certain he has a jet fueled and ready to leave the country for good. And that will only buy him some time.
If they were going to target anyone it would be all of us who read these boards and all of us who are “super patriots” (like me) who believe the US Constitution should not be infringed on.
Who would they send? Most likely the military which equates to the National Guard. I highly doubt any guardsman its going to arrest me for being patriotic.
Its easy to see I am patriotic. There is a US flag mounted to the front of my house, a POW/MIA flag flying under it, two US flags tied on the railings of my back deck, somewhere in the area of two dozen small US flags stuck in the ground in the gardens and flower beds and a “Dont tread on me” flag on the garage. Yup…a patriot lives in my house!
28 oldswordfighter // Aug 28, 2009 at 1:54 am
The real tragedy of global warming is that the grant grabbing scientists are the ones ignoring or suppressing the facts. Yes the planet is getting warmer. So are ALL the planets in the solar system. It is accepted science that this and other planets bounce back and forth in temperature ranges as the SUN fluctuates. And the cycle of ice ages long precedes technology. IN BETWEEN ICE AGES ARE HOT AGES… Ancient Greece and Rome were a LOT hotter than now. Then a mini-ice age cooled the planet down. That ice age is STILL winding down. Before the Greco/roman age, there was a bigger longer ice age. Before that, seven to nine thousand years ago, it was so hot there were no polar ice caps at all. Before that another ice age. And before that global warming got so bad that there were only a few thousand humans to survive it in two very isolated groups. So bad that human life was impossible at the equator. And on and on and on. As science has known for over a hundred years the SUN is the culprit. The rising temperatures on ALL the other planets proves this. Yes the planets are getting hotter. Maybe a LOT hotter. But all the pseudo science fad over green house gasses and carbon footprint is nothing more than a grant grabbing feeding frenzy and an excuse for the big nations to supress the little ones. Global warming is very, very real. But the truth is that the notion of HUMAN INDUCED global warming is possibly the biggest scam in history. Unless of course there are polluting humans are on ALL the planets in the solar system. And existed since before the dinosaurs. And any one who bothers to look can see the “facts”…
29 inforodeo // Aug 28, 2009 at 3:16 am
with this interesting survey of opinion, i may as well chime in too.
i also believe in a natural climate change cycle, and while humans are definitely polluting and abusing the earth, it really isn’t possible to say we can or cannot make a change in the climate. with all the big ‘acts of nature’ in the past few years, it’s hard to imagine people thinking we can create some manmade solution that won’t be wiped out and overcome by nature in its natural course …
what we DO know is that the opportunistic industries and politicians have been rabidly jumping on bandwagons without enough planning & caution … so we have big problems like the ethanol situation … where rainforests are now being destroyed to make way for 3rd world ethanol crops (some sort of palm, right?)
regardless of glaciers melting and islands flooding, there’s been a lot of good that has come from this ‘global warming’ cycle. parts of the world that have been desert for thousands of years are turning green. farmers in more of the world than not are able to grow more in longer seasons. While my buddies in Seattle were freaking out about the (barely) triple-digit heat this year, we had more rainfall in a weekend than we usually have in a year. we’ve also been getting a lot more snow than normal, so most of our reservoirs made it through the summer this year.
as for the “FEMA death camps” … i don’t think they are ‘death camps’, but there are definitely FEMA (or someone …) camps popping up everywhere. there’s also a bill in the works that will allow the president to decree a disaster and the military to quarantine entire segments of the population and entire towns. when viewed against other strange political moves (shutting down network radio, merging the state national guards into the federal military, military working as local police, threats of a ‘national police force’, etc) … it’s clear that “something” is going on.
30 Tactic // Aug 28, 2009 at 2:14 pm
No ME Preppy, As I said - 38 years, York to Fort Kent; East Port to Jackman. Camped, hunted and flown the back country airports over nearly the entire state. Camped all four seasons. Used to teach wilderness survival, attended the SERE Winter Survival School In Rangeley. Haven’t taken the time to get my Maine Guide Qualifications yet, but I certainly don’t need to be told the difference between Wells and Washburn. -Haven’t you noticed that Ice out on the Aroostook has been coming later and later each year?? - Incidentally - how’s the fishing been? I’ve got to pack the fly-rod into the plane and fly in.
31 sirlancelot // Aug 28, 2009 at 5:46 pm
wow Ranger !
looks like you’ve hit the “3rd rail” of politics
as we like to say in Beantown.
i rented and watched al gore’s “an inconvenient truth” and swear to god it took me all week !
kept falling asleep
rainy and cool most of the summer down here in Boston. we got a little heat last week , but back into the 70’s now and more rain on the way.
the jury is still out on global warming with me. we are certainly bad little animals and have a way of shitting in our own backyard ( acid rain anyone ? )
but since i can’t trust any of these doomsayers like al gore , will have to wait and see some more concrete evidence.
namely warmer temperatures. or is it too late then and we’re doomed ?
great blog , keep up the good work
32 inforodeo // Aug 29, 2009 at 1:51 pm
our college research writing professor forced us to watch the al gore film in class, and kept pausing it to “back up his claims” with her own expertise (she’s a former high school english teacher). I own the video & had watched it a few times already … and some of it didn’t sound right.
there are a lot of expose’s of the gore flick online, and i found one a few weeks ago & wrote about it:
http://inforodeo.livejournal.com/46556.html
skip all my blab & click on the link … the film is interesting. it doesn’t deny that there are some environmental impacts man inflicts, but it goes into great detail about the side-effects of the global warming craze & how it contributes to poverty, food shortages, increases in disease, etc.
33 Wildflower // Aug 31, 2009 at 3:13 pm
The survivalist sheep usually travel in a pack… so I found your opinion refreshing.
It only makes scientific sense that emissions of the volume we’ve produced would produce some changes…I don’t get the naysayers who protest thi only because they don’t like Gore’s politics.
34 No ME Preppy // Sep 3, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Tactic,I know what you’re saying. I know Ice-outs on rivers and lakes have been happening later, as a trend, over the past few decades.
I’m not into calling whatever it is “global warming” BUT I do know that there is some sort of climate change. I know this includes some changes in ocean surface temperatures, and not in a consistant rate or direction throughout the country. I was in Alaska a couple of summers ago and took a glacier cruise. They had pictures of the same glaciers taken several years ago, and the glaciers are smaller now than they were back then. So, in some places, things are getting warmer, but in other places, things are getting cooler. I know that cyclic changes are occuring, and it isn’t completely the fault of humans. I remember reading something about how the increase in cows (and the methane from their waste) are partly to blame for “global warming.” But I think about how 200 years ago there were millions more Bison on the plains of North America and Elephants on the savannas of Africa. These two species alone produce at least as much methane as the cows of today. Giving the fact that these two are larger and, 200 years ago were around in at least equal populations as cows are today, it’s EXCESSIVELY difficult to believe that the increase in cows are in part to blame for the hole in the ozone layer and increase in global temperatures.
Besides all of this, IF the sea levels increased 30 feet and flooded areas of high population, so be it. It might be a way to decrease the excess in the population that depend on the government for salvation and do nothing for themselves.
As for fishing, I haven’t been much this year, with kitchen renovations (done myself BTW, didn’t pay someone else to do it and then say that “I did it”). Go for a trip anyway, besides, the Partridge season should be pretty good this fall, with the dry spring we had alot of the clutches have survived. I saw a hen early this summer with 6 little ones behind her.
35 Crasty // Sep 5, 2009 at 2:49 am
Можно и довольно серьезно поспорить по этому поводу… А вообще интересно!
36 Sternhauser // Sep 6, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Who is likely to round up and kill people? The same National Guardsmen who confiscated firearms from non-violent people after Katrina.
I’m not a conspiracy theorist. There are and have been conspiracies, but who cares? Like Ron Paul said, “A conspiracy can be two guys talking about robbing a bank.”
What I don’t understand is how everyone thinks Americans who fight for the American State won’t kill their fellow Americans. How can anyone believe that? Look at the intra-state slaughters of Poland, Germany, Ukraine, China, Italy, Holland, Belgium, Viet Nam, Cambodia, Cuba. You are kidding yourself if you think Americans have a “different human nature.” Sure. They have the best of intentions. How many Germans did you think grew up saying, “I want to invade the rest of Europe and help slaughter 13,000,000?” How many Rwandan children grew up aspiring to be machete-wielding drug fields? The fact is, when soldiers put themselves in the employ of a State, 80% of them will do what the State tells them to do. They’ve got a rifle in their sweaty hands, and a chain of command they’ve been indoctrinated from age 18 into following, breathing down their necks. When the rubber hits the road, they will pull the trigger on innocents when ordered to. Have you not understood the Milgram Experiment?
37 norcalkook // Sep 7, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Here in the northern Sacramento Valley, I’ve noticed very little “climate change”. Summers are still hot and dry with fires and smoke. Winters are mild with snow sometimes reaching the valley floor. Local weatherman Anthony Watts has released his study finding that “official” temperatures come from thermometers placed near AC units or other Inconvenient -ly warm locations. I suspect that the big hot glowing orb in the sky has more influence on global temperature than the arrogance of human kind thinks it could.
38 Midnight // Sep 7, 2009 at 9:32 pm
Here in Minnesota it was the coldest summer I can remember - also the most beautiful. I tried to believe in global warming but that religion is just too hard with the cold staring me in the face. I guess I dont have the right kind of faith. I will leave it to you religious types and your high priests in the white robes (jackets).
Although… I had not considered that lake Superior was once covered with mile thick sheet of ice until the early cavemen started driving SUVs… on second thought you are probably right. The records do not lie.
39 Dragon // Sep 8, 2009 at 3:13 am
I’m glad to be one of the folks who crack ya up…
Google deep solar minimum,new dalton minimum.
IT IS A MINI-Iceage, and its now.
So crack me up and tell me how warm its getting.
40 Today's Survival // Sep 8, 2009 at 11:16 pm
Global warming is real, I agree, but it’s not being caused by our vehicle emissions. That’s the hoax!
Bob
Today’s Survival Show
www.TodaysSurvival.com
41 Ventego // Sep 9, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Спасибо! У Вас часто появляются очень интересные посты! Очень поднимаете мое настроение.
42 Clark Gardner // Sep 10, 2009 at 10:07 am
OK, how about this one: Dr. David Gee, Chairman of the Science Committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress, currently at Uppsala University in Sweden asks: ” For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?”
Follow the money. Those who insist on a global warming want to tax us or control us in some way that suits their agenday. Oh, I forgot, our government would never lie to us.
43 inforodeo // Sep 10, 2009 at 4:39 pm
(just a thought):
we *are* currently experiencing an El Niño, which increases temperatures in the Pacific up to 4 degrees (which has caused tuna and large squid to go further north than usual, which in turn is causing a lot of Great Whites to show up along the coast of Oregon & Washington). This affects climate around the world … causing overall increases in temperature and some decreases, as well as (and because of) shifts in the ocean’s currents. El Niño may be to blame for recent tornados in weird places, as well as the greater precipitation and cooling in some areas inland.
44 Kim du Toit // Sep 11, 2009 at 10:14 am
Couple of points:
1. Believing in “climate change” is like believing in “sunrise”. The Earth’s climate changes over time, one way or another, and the key is how much actual long-lasting change (as opposed to isolated short-term blips — the “car in the garage” example) can be laid at the feat of human activity. One volcanic eruption equals about 300 years of human “pollution” in terms of actual particulate matter and/or gases. One week-long solar flare-up equals the heat output of about 10 billion cars in half a millennium. Compared to what Nature does to the climate, humans are worth less than ants.
2. The plural of anecdote is not data. Telling us how the oceans have warmed up in your various holiday spots make for interesting reading, but they’re not science: they’re casual, and random, observations.
3. Sea levels: the interesting thing about sea level is that it is uniform. So if sea levels are rising in, say, Maine, then the sea level must also rise in, oh, Egypt. But that’s not happening, is it? Sea levels rising in one place, and contemporaneously falling in others probably has more to do with continental drift than melting ice — and speaking of ice, if the North Pole ice cap is melting, why is the ice cap growing at the South Pole?
4. Most of our temperature measurements suck. The measuring devices are placed in random areas — sometimes close to natural heat sources like seabed gas fissures and even close to manmade heat sinks like parking lots — and most “measurement” of bygone temperatures is at best semi-informed (and occasionally contradictory) guesswork.
5. And speaking of guesswork, all — let me say it again, all — climate predictive models are at best faulty (not one can predict today’s temperature using yesterday’s data), or at worst, biased — some of the most-common models predict the same outcome (warming) regardless of which data is fed into them.
Science, not opinion, is what we need when we study climate change. Sadly, we’re getting mostly opinion, and very little science.
You may believe in global warming all you want; but the actual science which supports it is fatally flawed. Don’t be fooled.
45 3rdman // Sep 11, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Hell, the climate changes everyday around here. No big deal, just have to carry a rain jacket some days…
46 The Urban Survivalist // Sep 14, 2009 at 11:23 am
Science also told us that we were heading towards the next ice age back in the 70s. The special interests amplify the voices of the people who have the credibility to support their agenda. Meanwhile they silence and destroy the voices on the other side. This just encourages more and more people to find ways to support the special interests.
47 millerized // Sep 14, 2009 at 2:42 pm
LOL. I can see him now…just like his flower child posts…setting back with a cold brew laughing his ass off at you folks.
WTG RangerMan….WTG!
48 Englishman // Sep 15, 2009 at 12:24 pm
I am an ecologist and know climate experts through my job. Firstly, U.S. politics is irrelevant to climate change - it is an issue that affects the whole world(go to Banladesh and tell them sea levels aren’t rising). Secondly, the notion that one can volcano produce many times more carbon than human activity is utter rubbish and based on a misinformed newspaper story that keeps being repeated. Volcanic eruptions account for less than 1% of carbon emisions per year. CO2 in the atmosphere causes greenhouse effect - this is FACT. Human beings have for the last century and continue to dump huge amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere - also FACT. 1998 was the hottest year on record - also fact. It’s probably too late to stop global warming now, unless we can develop technology to physically remove CO2 from the atmosphere. We can expect to see economic collapse across the world economy, clean waters shortages, wars over resources, refugees fleeing environmental and ecosystem collapse - the list is endless. Staying in denial because you like driving a big SUV does none any good.
49 jimmycrackcorn // Sep 17, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Good grief “englishman”. If 1998 was indeed the “hottest year on record” what has happened to temperatures since then? They have declined, yet CO2 levels have continued to rise. the facts do not support your conclusion.
Why is it cold at night but warm during the day?
It’s the SUN.
Why is it cold in winter - northern hemisphere?
It’s the SUN.
What causes the seasons?
It’s the SUN.
What causes wind?
It’s the SUN.
What creates weather?
It’s the SUN.
What caused the Anasazi, the Mayans, the Aztecs and other “civilizations to go poof?
Climate change prior to industrialization - in other words, It’s the SUN.
If you still believe in AGW foolishness, search for “glacier girl” a P38 in 1942 which landed in Greenland (how bout that country name??) which was found again in the 90’s on land under 268 FEET of compacted ice. How does this fit with global warming?
50 Englishman // Sep 21, 2009 at 5:50 am
Jimmycrackcorn - after 1998 temperatures dipped slightly until 2005, which was the second hottest year on record. So wow! the global temperature has cooled(slightly) since then. Not even four years! For a realistic perspective check records for the last century.
So what you’re saying is it’s all a conspiracy created by evil Marxist hippies who have spent the last 100years infiltraing all branches of the world’s scientific institutions - Physics, Chemistry, Oceanography, Ecology, Meteorolgy, Geology, etc, etc just to make some Americans voe Democrat in the early 21st century. All science for the last 50 years was made up, your teachers at school were in on it, in fact, even Stephen Hawking is one of ‘them’. Yes that’s a completely reasonable line of argument.
Seriously, stop trawling the net searching for the answers you want to hear and read the data from the real scientists - there is loads of it out there.
51 irishred // Sep 25, 2009 at 5:58 pm
So if Obama doesn’t have some sort of plans for
death camps or re-education camps or forced collection of firearms or passing out rations when the gov’t ceases our means of production then what are these fellows going to do? Build habitat houses? I’m just asking?
52 irishred // Sep 25, 2009 at 5:59 pm
link didn’t attach the first time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s
53 mockum // Sep 28, 2009 at 11:09 pm
Whew, Rangerman, you have some damn moronic readers. Yeah, it’s a shame the scientists, media, or whomever, first called it “Global Warming” and not “Extreme Climate” or something. Maybe then fools wouldn’t be saying, “It’s not getting warmer, it’s frickin’ cold outside!”. I note that we keep setting new high and low temperature records. Statistically it should be harder and harder to set new records unless some type of change is happening.
Without a doubt, change is happening. It only will take a few degree change to the average temperature to make this fragile planet uninhabitable. Bye bye polar bears. Bye bye fat lazy stupid humans.
54 Dave // Oct 1, 2009 at 6:32 am
i will say yes and no. Gore will make a lot of money off of this.
blame the politishens, allowing allt he building
and taking out all the trees,
look at the North West states, clean air a lot of
green areas, then look at the west of the country
smog, no green areas.
need to plant more trees, and tell the devel. for
every tree the they remove they need to plant
two new one’s.
i’m not a tree huger.
55 jimmycrackcorn // Oct 2, 2009 at 2:28 pm
“englishman”
please, try to pay attention this time without creating a conspiracy diversion. you claim rising CO2 levels cause increased temperatures, yet as CO2 levels have risen temperatures have DROPPED. how does that square with your conspiracy theory?
the cause of ANY climate change is the same as it has always been - it’s the SUN.
56 Englishman // Oct 18, 2009 at 12:09 pm
“jimmycrackcorn”
Sorry, but you are talking bollocks. Temperatures have risen with CO2. Like I say, check your facts with the hundreds of thousands of real scientists. All developed countries in the world accept the reality of the situation and are trying to take appropriate action. Even India and China, both of whom need industrial development agree that things cannot continue as they are. I say all developed countries, but there is one exception which continues to drag it’s heels - the U.S.A.
57 Mapk // Nov 4, 2009 at 5:18 pm
The only thing wrong with global warming is the fallacy that man is causing it or contributing to it. That just isn’t true. Research for yourself. www.savethesmog.org
58 Gettinolder // Nov 7, 2009 at 7:28 pm
“The head man of the camp was about thirty, who was both Shaman (”medicine-man”) and hereditary chief. He was the most thoughtful and entertaining Thlinkit I had met. He told me that within his own lifetime this place where we now were had been solid ice….”
Taken from “Among The Thlinkits In Alaska” July, 1882.
Pretty much speaks for itself. Global warming has been taking place, at times more rapidly than others long before any supposed effects of internal combustion engines.
This is an old thread but for anyone else stumbling across it as I did I thought you’d like to know what the indigenous peoples of Alaska were observing long before white man and Western Civilization had “destroyed” the planet.
59 44 flattop // Nov 10, 2009 at 10:02 pm
There is no such thing as global warming. Period. If there were, then the other planets wouldn’t be warming up about the same as the earth. Leftists forget about one li’l bitty thing. Its called THE SUN. It is 1,000,000 bigger than the earth. It is a burning seething hydrogen mass only 90,000,000 miles away.
Now that it is starting to settle down and the sun spots are nonexistant, we are actually cooling. Funny thing these CYCLES. We are alive for only a few years. These sun cycles, orbitting cycles take thousand and millions of years. Earth to Libs. The earth heats, the earth cools. Its been doing it for 4.3 billion years, it’ll do it for another 4.3 billion years. Whether we are here or not.
60 Gettinolder // Nov 10, 2009 at 10:55 pm
That’s my point exactly. Only we disagree as to time tables, but again…I wasn’t there, neither were you.
The fact is, many people are duped into believing that uh hum….MAN is the cause of “global warming”
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