It’s Starting To Look Like A Witch Hunt

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On Wednesday I was tooling around the news as I’m wont to do after a couple of days off and ran across this story.  Apparently a newspaper printed the names and addresses of gun permit holders in New York’s Westchester and Rockland counties.

Can you imagine jumping on the internet to read your local news source and finding your name as a gun owner published online for everybody to see?  Good bye OPSEC!

I’ve been watching the recent developments with interest and trying to gauge the pulse of the country by watching and reading various news sources and blogs.  From what I can see there are a few points of view out there:

1.  The antigun folk.  They’re rabidly pointing to the latest shootings as a sign that guns need to be taken away.  Period.

2.  There are the pro-gun folks that think if we didn’t have guns in every household the criminals would have free reign over the sheeple.

3.  Then there are the fence sitters.  During normal times they don’t think much about guns at all – good or bad, but after a shooting like this they lean towards thinking maybe the world would be a better place without assault weapons and high capacity magazines.

Ultimately, our gun rights are under attack and where it ends up is hard to say at this point.  The political winds are shifting and the current president is in a place where supporting this kind of law won’t affect his chances for reelection.  In his previous term he carefully avoided gun laws because it’s a political land mine, but now…

The Ten Percent

In the Corps we always talked about “The Ten Percent.”  These were the goof offs, the screw ups,  the guys that just didn’t think things through and either got themselves injured or killed or did it to others.  Having said that if you were in a unit with one of these misfits it was readily apparent and you watched your ass around them because you knew what they were.  There have been several occasions where I’ve snatched the rifle out of one of these idiot’s hands when they were playing with an M-16.  Guess what?  It ain’t a friggin’ toy!  You point one of those at me and go “bang!” pretending to kill me it better be loaded ’cause I’m coming after you.

I’ve seen guys cleaning their weapon after the rifle range and when they pulled the bolt back a live round ejected and rolled around on the floor.  I saw a young Marine go to Fort Bragg on a Field OP as a Lance Corporal and come back as a Private because they shot themselves in the foot with a .45 while fooling around.  I saw an experienced field Marine pull the lanyard on an M198 Howitzer while standing behind the breech and take the 68 inch recoil in the chest (a good friend – he lived but hated life for awhile.)  And on and on.

In civilian life it’s a far fewer percentage than ten percent that snap and go shooting at the mall, but with millions of gun owners even a fraction of a percent is too much.  I don’t want more gun control laws.  I want those people with firearms to be responsible with them.  And most of us are.  If everybody with a gun suddenly picked up and went down to the mall and started shooting it would probably cut the population of the united states in half, but we don’t.  Most of us are careful, responsible, mindful of our weapons because they can kill and we know that.  I just read a story about a man out hunting who killed his seven or eight year old son when they got back into the truck because he forgot his gun was loaded.

Thankfully, most of us will never have to live with that kind of pain because we check our weapons every single time.  I do.  I’ll watch someone check their pistol and when they hand it to me I’ll recheck it just to make sure by some sleight of hand they didn’t put a bullet back in the chamber.  Too paranoid?  Maybe, but I’m still alive.

Mental Health Issues

But let’s have a conversation about those few who snap and do go down to the mall, or the local school, or the post office, or the workplace and start shooting.  Some blame the mental health system.  Some blame the gun owners for not locking their guns up.  Others blame the media for making a huge show out of it and causing a copy cat killer to go out looking for his 15 minutes of glory.

Obviously nobody in their right mind is going to plan and execute a mass murder of five and six year olds in a school.  The person(s) who do this have some serious mental/stress issues going on.  But it seems that in some of the cases that I’ve read about people who knew the shooter weren’t surprised by their actions.  If that’s the case at least someone had some idea that the shooter was capable of their actions.

Here’s where it gets tricky.  If you know someone with mental issues, but they’ve never given any indications of violence, how can you guess that they’re going to do something like that?  Chances are good that you’re not a trained psychologist, so you probably don’t have any tools for detecting something like this.  Even if you think it’s a possibility it’s unlikely the police will listen to you.

Which opens up a new can of worms.  Remember Terry Porter?  He’s a “Doomsday Prepper” (he never appeared on the show as far as I can tell – just the way the media portrayed him) and was raided by 150 police officers after someone reported he had an arsenal in his house and was mad about Obama being reelected.  The police descended like the wrath of Satan on his house – he was out at the time – and recovered a couple of shotguns, a .30-.30, and a few .22′s.  Not exactly a Doomsday arsenal if you ask me. His neighbors were upset because they like the guy and said he wouldn’t hurt a fly.  He turned himself in the next day.  Read the story for more on that one.

The point here is this:  just because someone is different is it ok to report them to the police as being a menace when there’s no solid proof?  Now, if someone is torturing kittens and other small animals you might want to take notice because that’s one possible trait of a serial killer, but to my knowledge there was nothing like that in the case of the Newtown shooting.

Is the government at fault for not taking better care of people with mental issues?  With all the people in this country with mental health issues is the government to be held liable for someone who has thus far fallen through the cracks and goes on a shooting spree?  I’m not sure how it’s possible that the government take care of all these people with the financial straits we find ourselves in these days.  We simply don’t have the man power or the money to do it.

Take the Guns?

Some people think that by taking the guns it would stop these kinds of killing sprees, but I don’t think so.  It might slow the shooters down, but it wouldn’t stop them completely.  As people have pointed out in the comments here, they’d just use a car, or a bomb, or some other weapon to mass kill people.  As I mentioned earlier, in China there have been a rash of men attacking schools with knives and killing kids that way.

Killers will always get their hands on a weapon.  Granted, they won’t kill as many people with a knife as they would with an AR-15, but I think we’re solving the wrong problem here, which is how do we identify and stop a mass killer before they go off?

Answer:  I don’t know.  If there was a way to do it we wouldn’t have lost 27 kids and teachers recently in Connecticut.

How about if everybody locked their guns up?  Seems to me if someone is willing to kill ten people at work they won’t blink an eye breaking into your house and putting a knife to your wife’s throat until you open the gun safe.  Where there’s a will there’s a way.

Figuring It Out

Maybe it’s a just a dark side of humanity that’s always been around.  Could be that ten thousand years ago Grok just snapped and went on a killing spree with his stone axe until the tribesmen brought him down.

Ultimately we as a society will have to figure out how to fix this problem. There are no easy or pat solutions to this issue.  There are too many variables:  societal pressure, easy access to weapons (of any sort), billions of people, a poor mental health system, a political structure that’s more worried about reelection than getting the job done, a broken economy that promotes crime and not enough police officers to go around, and so forth.

Until the day comes when there’s a guarantee of safety I choose to have a weapon that I can defend my family with.  It doesn’t need to be an assault rifle, although I have nothing against them.  Maybe it won’t save me if someone comes to my house, but at least I’ll have the small fighting chance… more than if I didn’t have a gun.

In the meantime is it helpful to post every person with a gun permit’s name and address on the Internet?  No.  Once again the media has gone and screwed the pooch.

What do you think?

Questions?  Comments?

Sound off below!

-Jarhead Survivor

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  • irishdutchuncle December 28, 2012, 8:36 am

    I am different.
    (at least I had sense enough to not enlist, and been in that 10%)

    the “brave” newspaper people who published that list, (and a map) got their own names and locations published on the internet a few days later. (serves them right)

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    • Jason December 28, 2012, 3:05 pm

      Irish – you’re different, is that supposed to be a news flash?

      :-)

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      • irishdutchuncle December 28, 2012, 10:00 pm

        nah, I expect everyone could already tell.

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        • irishdutchuncle December 28, 2012, 10:21 pm

          … the problem is; am I different enough that they will try to deny me the right to defend myself? (I expect they will try)

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    • SD3 December 29, 2012, 12:42 pm Reply
      • Jason December 29, 2012, 12:57 pm

        Good luck with that – it’ll never happen.

        That Battle Axe has endured more criticism & waged more wars with voters than you can possibly imagine – she made Ted Kennedy look like a saint.

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        • ThatguyinCA December 31, 2012, 11:14 am

          Agree with Jason. Waste of time and effort.

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      • Yikes! January 10, 2013, 2:42 pm

        Get her to sleep with an intern. That’ll get you impeached, I think.

        Interns gotta take one for the team!

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        • Anonymous January 10, 2013, 7:44 pm

          …only if you lie about it afterward under oath.

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          • Yikes! January 11, 2013, 12:31 am

            trudat

  • dub December 28, 2012, 10:58 am

    I’m curious as to why firearm permit holder’s contact information is considered public information. You would think there would be a privacy law in there somewhere.

    You said “It doesn’t need to be an assault rifle, although I have nothing against them.” I’ve said close to the same thing about NFA weapons for years and I think we’re both wrong. The second amendment says our rights shall not be infringed. All of the gun control nonsense lately has me boiling over at the unconstitutional laws we already have, much less anything new.

    We live in a sissy society that wants to point fingers and place blame where it doesn’t belong. Any new ban will be just as ineffective as the last one and cost ten times more. What happens when there is a forced buy back and/or confiscation? I’ll be curious to see how all the “come and take them” people react. (Including myself.)

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    • Yikes! January 10, 2013, 2:43 pm

      It’s so criminals can know where to go to steal guns.

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  • Jason December 28, 2012, 12:12 pm

    With regards to that map of gun owners from the news article, if they had gone to the Megan’s Law public database & published the registered sex offenders in the same area, the map would have most likely been solid red. And if they were able to view the map in 3D …. oooh, scary!

    So who is going to protect the kids from these sexual deviants? The first set of red dots. BTW, usually the highest concentration of sex offenders are very close to schools & clustered in areas of high density living like dedicated sections apartment buildings.

    Maybe the answer is to do the complete opposite – instead of taking all of the guns away, give everybody a gun & level the playing field. Mass shooters may think twice entering a school knowing that the principal, teachers & the custodian will be proactively firing back …. providing of course, the shooter misses the trip wires & mini IED’s set in place.

    Lastly, about mental health …..

    The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four Americans is suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best friends. If they’re okay, then it’s you.

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    • Jarhead Survivor December 30, 2012, 8:23 pm

      Hmm, I’m ok. Irish is ok. Mike is ok. Jason???

      haha!

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      • Jason December 31, 2012, 9:02 am

        Damn …. I knew one day it would catch up with me.

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  • ORRN on LI December 28, 2012, 12:59 pm

    I am one of the fence sitters, not ashamed, I just think (deeply) before I act. What will be next to own, a missile launcher because the assault rifle and high cap mags just don’t cut it anymore?? I think having the names and addresses published was a terrible invasion of privacy, their immediate neighbors know because they were interviewed weren’t they?? (for a hand gun permit that is) Yes, I with all my heart believe Americans must keep the right to own guns, but some owners are pushing the limits of what is ‘a right’ and what is ‘extremist ‘. I plan to purchase a gun in the future, I have not researched what is appropriate for my needs yet, I only hope my chances are not ruined by the current turn of events. My .22 pellet gopher elimination rifle will have to suffice for now. Many facets to this issue, all contribute to the problem, no one fix will do, I hope law makers keep a realistic and level head about this.

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    • Pineslayer December 28, 2012, 5:49 pm

      ORRN on LI, ownership is not for everyone. Having the right to defend is for everyone. If you are serious about getting something in the future look at the 22 rifles. Unless you are big game hunting or in a War Zone, it will do just about everything, IMO. Even for self defense it will work 99% of the time.

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    • irishdutchuncle December 28, 2012, 10:59 pm

      the anti-gunners have been doing the “happy dance” since the event. (what a bunch of sickos) … and don’t let them see you with the pellet rifle.
      you can’t trust “law makers” to do the right thing. YOYO.
      (you’re on your own)

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  • ThatguyinCA December 28, 2012, 1:12 pm

    Way over the line. I can’t believe they printed it. Every person “outed” needs to sue. That information does not need to be public, that said, I wouldn’t care if I was “outed.”
    However, any criminal who can read will most likley be steering clear of those houses anyways.

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    • Jarhead Survivor January 2, 2013, 4:04 pm

      I wonder if they’ll steer clear or think, “Well hell, now I know where a gun lives. Time to go shopping.”

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  • JL December 28, 2012, 2:07 pm

    I think mental health is a bigger issue then gun control. If you say my kid is dangerous and needs to be locked up, it’s not going to happen until the kid does something. Pills are pushed with little regard to the extremely dangerous side effects. My brother is mentally disabled, he lives in a group home with people trained to deal with him. He can become violent at times, at one point someone wanted to take my parents guardianship away. He thought he was Napoleon at the time so thankfully that didn’t happen.
    Also in China the man will be tried and executed in a month or two

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  • waterboy December 28, 2012, 2:33 pm

    Coming back from a night shooting training one the guys jumped down from the cattle trailer at Ft. Ord with his M-14 at port arms and it discharged a live round that missed our platoon leaders head by about an inch…10% material for sure. Nice post Jarhead. Keep ‘em coming.

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    • Jarhead Survivor January 2, 2013, 4:05 pm

      So did that young solider’s arms fall off from push ups or did he get in a little more serious trouble? If that was my guy he’d have been paying me for months afterwards.

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  • Charles,,,, December 28, 2012, 3:29 pm

    Ahhh, age old questions that avoid an answer, why is a gun a gun, some see it as a challenge, the variables are endless how far can I shoot with accuracy, how fast can I shoot with accuracy, the personal challenges as well as team, club, group venues of shooting.
    Then the investment, gunz hold their value when cared for and not abused, some double and triple in value.
    Others tout protection since our law enforcement agencies are responders after the damage is done, or age, an older person cannot tussle with a youth, moreso youth’s these days of the pack mentality.
    There’s rythme and reason from each individual, yet we seem to miss the right reason’s.
    I for one know it is my God given right to own/have a gun, it is not anothers business whether I do or I chose not to, or anothers to choose for me as to whether I can or cannot have one or a hundred and one.
    And we can all research history and learn what happens to a nation once the inhabitants of that nation is coereced into turning in all their gunz.
    Blame, this shouldn’t be an issue !!!! One man’s opinion, no, it’s a nations opinion, we have to face the fact that there are those that do not want it’s citizens to be armed…….

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  • Michael December 28, 2012, 3:32 pm

    There probably are examples out there of people who “snap” and shoot someone, but the more apt metaphor would be closer to dying of pneumonia, it’s a long, slow, slog down hill and everyone around you was worried about you the whole time. We need to get those folks on a ban list for buying both guns and ammo.

    As to using a bomb or some other destructive device if they can’t get a gun, probably not unless it’s something really simple maybe they knife or they run someone down with their car. Mentally ill people by definition can’t think straight or function properly in society and are rarely capable of complex behavior. I used to run a group home for mentally ill folks and have seen someone punch themselves in the face hard enough to break their nose over a broken shoelace. That person’s not going going to be able to build a bomb.

    While the shooting sprees grab the headlines far more people are killed by gun accidents and suicides. Better access to mental healthcare and a change in societies views making a gun stored unlocked about as popular as a pack-a-day smoker will go a long way towards preventing these deaths. Had the mom in Newtown kept her guns locked up and out of reach from her mentally ill kid we would be having this conversation.

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    • Michael December 28, 2012, 5:41 pm

      “Mentally ill people by definition can’t think straight or function properly in society and are rarely capable of complex behavior”

      At least people that are ill enough to need to be on a ban list. You’re pretty likely over the span of your life time to have a bought of mild depression for a month or two, that’s not enough to send someone on a shooting spree. What I’m talking about here is severe, prolonged, mental illness.

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      • Jason December 28, 2012, 6:22 pm

        Yes but those same people can still vote ….. :-)

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  • Steve December 28, 2012, 4:38 pm

    It’s an attempt by the media to shame those gun owners. Now people at the grocery store can sneer at them. (or not) The person in charge of publishing this info is hoping to have the public scorn the gun owners. I think it’s an irresponsible attempt push an agenda. Nice work jackasses now people know where they can go and steal guns. Or flip side they know who’s unarmed…….

    It’s a tasteless shameful act. The people who’s names were released should demand the person or persons responsible be terminated from employment.

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  • Pineslayer December 28, 2012, 5:40 pm

    I guess that publishing that list was a shot across the bow. I believe that the political support for a ban will wane very quickly, I hope. I had a conversation with a very anti-gun friend. She is a very nice person, works with kids. She knows nothing about guns except what she hears on the news, and she admitted that. That did not stop her from telling me how wrong it is to own those dreadful military rifles. I think it is impossible to reason with some because they don’t care about or understand the reason behind the 2nd Amendment. I cut my teeth on an M-16, it taught me safety, gave me confidence. I would wield whatever was in my hands to defend her though and her right to berate me. How many other countries have citizens like us?
    Thanks Jarhead and friends for having the courage to openly discuss hard topics without fear of reprisal.

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  • sput December 28, 2012, 6:48 pm

    As a collector, I have some of the guns on Di Fienstein’s list — the M-1 Carbine is on the list. The M1903 & 1903A3, plus the Garand, have evil Bayonet lugs– as do Mausers, Moisin-Nagants and others. The 10-22 Ruger takes 50 rounds detachable magazines, and has the same bullet DIAMETER as the evil AR 15. The Military uses the Mod 700 Rem for SNIPER! rifles!!!!
    Don’t think for a moment any of your guns are safe.

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    • Yikes! January 8, 2013, 1:02 pm

      The Mosin Nagant is a menace!

      It looks like a goddamned harpoon and will probably blow your eyebrows off if you shoot anything with it. They should ban that one.

      The 10/22 isn’t on the ban list? That’s the most common assault weapon in the country (well, if you put an aftermarket stock with a pistol grip on it). I don’t know why people are so cavalier about getting shot with a 22LR.

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  • Brad December 28, 2012, 7:39 pm

    I agree with most all that Jarhead said, except the one thing you left out. You may not be defending you house against someone robbing you, but against the Govt. robbing you of your rights. The 2nd amendment is the ONLY one that insures that the rest of the rights are upholded. Without your own weapon, it it easy for someone to say that what you said is wrong. What you believe (religion) is wrong. I can come in your house when I please. Our forefather knew this to be must. They knew without “power” of the people, the people would have no power. They came from the knowledge of their past, knowing the possibilities of our “future”. This is assuming we don’t do anything about it.

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    • Chad Douglas December 29, 2012, 8:38 am

      People that are not into shooting or guns in general do not understand the 2nd amendment . It does not say anything about what type of arms we have rights to. It should be what ever our government has! After all it is there to protect us from them!!!

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      • Brad December 29, 2012, 7:25 pm

        Yup…..you got it. They have high cap. mags. So should we. We are actually out gunned being limited to only semi-auto but, I’ll take what I can get. The thing is we must not accept anything less. We can not allow them to take away the last of what we have.

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        • Jason December 30, 2012, 4:22 pm

          That does it, I am buying a bazooka.

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          • Brad January 2, 2013, 5:19 pm

            ;)

  • Chad Douglas December 29, 2012, 8:34 am

    I’ve been lurking here for the better part of a year now and this post made me feel the need to comment. You sir have hit the nail directly on the head with authority . This reflects my/mine feeling to a tee. Thank you for putting it out there to the world!

    Dugg

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  • Ray December 29, 2012, 9:45 am

    This is scareing H*** out of me. I don’t know about yankee land, but down here folks are talking about civil war and sucession. The locals,( who never gave a thought to preping) are buying field gear, wepons and ammo as hard and fast as they can go. The demand for kevlar ,ammo, mags, ARs and MREs is mind boggling. Folks are forming covert CIDGs as fast as they can. I fear that if they pass another gun law it realy could get bloody this time.

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    • Brad December 29, 2012, 7:33 pm

      Civil War may be the only way to correct the problem we face now (a sour Govt. in general). If we don’t face it now, or our children may have to face worse later. At least for now we have the means (guns) to correct the problem. We loose those, we’re screwed.

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      • Pineslayer December 29, 2012, 8:03 pm

        Brad and all, We might not need bloodshed if we quit electing these 2 corrupt parties into office. Naive, maybe, but it is worth a try. I quit voting for them decades ago, but I am in the minority. Stay on this path and we and our families are screwed. Start down a different path now. The GOP is not on our side, tough words, but it is the truth. They spend just like the Dems and use wedge issues to divide US. The Dems can go to he*l too. Gaze into the eyes of your loved ones and try to justify voting for either and how we will explain to them in the future how we believed one or the other after being bent over time and time again. True definition of insanity. I always thought we could choke them out with a tax revolt, but they keep printing.

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      • Ray December 30, 2012, 9:21 am

        Brad , the part no one is looking at is; IF we have civil war we lose the power grid. When the grid gos down the cooling pools around all the civilian reactors (nuke) will start to boil. In 24-48 hrs. they go dry, then the MILLIONS of TONs of spent radioactive fuel starts to burn. spewing fallout for hundreds of miles down range= Fucushima x 10 million tons. In other words EVERYBODY down wind dies a horrid death. What bugs me even more is; that without a radical change in government this isn’t gonna change . The feds have known for 50 years that to lose the grid is to kill 1/3 to 3/4 of north america. Sadly the courts , voteing and talking have all proved useless. If we want our country back we ARE gonna have to fight, and that fight may be forced on us whether we want it or not. But lets not kid ourselves, this will kill millions and millions . It will poison the land and water,and none of us will live to see it end. The people who run our “government” are evil , pure evil. They know exactly what they are doing, and what it will cost in lives ,pain and suffering, AND THEY DON’T CARE.

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        • Brad December 30, 2012, 9:25 am

          PineSlayer……But, who do you elect? If all are corrupt, then it does no good to vote. Yet, not voting does no good. It brings no change. What is there to do? Ray…..I didn’t think about reactors. That sucks. Shall we head south??

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          • Pineslayer December 30, 2012, 12:54 pm

            I voted for Gary Johnson, he is not bought and paid for. His actions as Governor proves what he is all about. That being said, he would just be one person, congress holds the power. I voted Libertarian across the board. My friends say, ” you might as well be voting for…fill in the blank”. I will no longer throw my vote away on the same tired BS. I will continue to fight, bitch, and moan until consumed by my funeral pyre. If we have a bloody revolt, then who will take the reins? Better to start now in replacing the evil and hope that it works, if it doesn’t we have lost nothing. I see lots of chaos in our future unless we change now. Start at the local level, those leaders step up to the next level, hold them accountable, damn the party lines. Good luck to all of us.

        • irishdutchuncle December 30, 2012, 10:12 am

          it’s even worse than that Ray. they’re buying up enough ammunition, for their minions to kill millions and millions of us, whether we’re induced to fight them or not.

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          • Brad December 30, 2012, 12:01 pm

            Yup…hollow points. Non-Geneva ammunition. Bought for us, not foreign enemies.

          • Yikes! January 9, 2013, 1:23 pm

            Wait. Are you guys actually planning an armed insurrection? I thought we were all just preparing for a solar flare or a zombie invasion or something.

            Are you going to defend against RBATs when the SHTF, or are you trying to form one for political purposes now?

          • irishdutchuncle January 11, 2013, 9:24 pm

            “they” are the insurrection, not us Yikes!…

            the communists were stealing guns years ago, and stashing them to use against the bourgeoisie. (comes the revolution…)

      • Jarhead Survivor January 2, 2013, 4:19 pm

        Man – let’s hope it doesn’t come down to civil war. I don’t care how many civilians out there have high cap magazines they’re still no match for a trained army.

        If by some crazy chance we did have a civil war it wouldn’t go well for the public if they decided to call in armed troops. But that begs the question, “Would troops fire on their people?” Maybe, but maybe not. It’s an interesting thought experiment.

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        • Brad January 2, 2013, 5:22 pm

          I think most would not. But our armed forces has changed from “patriots” to “other” in the last few years. The “patriots” are being sent to Africa now. Profiling at its best.

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        • Ray January 2, 2013, 10:26 pm

          Jarhead, Our military has been gutted over the last 15 years . The force you and I remember from the cold war(Me) and first gulf war (you) no longer exists. The tanks APCs ,Artty. ECT are worn out after 20 years of near constant war.( 80% of all M-1 tanks , brads and palidins are in depot storage or the DRMO ) They have been replaced with Mercs. and armored cars(little more than up armored hum-vs) If Obama trys to take the guns there WILL be a fight,bank on that. The feds will have no choice but to bring in the UN. That WHY Obama is so hot for the UN Ant-gun treaty .— The british ,Germans and Japs, ALL said that the “weak “and “civilian” draftee armys of the US had no chance at all V. the “modern” and “professioal” armys of euope in both WW1 and WW2.— Remember that there are about 120 million ex-solders in the US. HALF of them combat vets under 60– AND gun owners in the US out number all of the police and all of the armys ON EARTH by more than 10000 to one. In fact we are the largest armed force the world has ever known (OVER 311million KNOWN firearms ) . Jarhead we are better armed ,better trained and better lead than the Afgahns the Iraqis or the VC ever were. There are MILLIONS more of us and we are realy REALY pissed off. PS I don’t own or WANT an AR .( I used the M-16a1 in the service and hated it , same same the CAR-15)I consider box magazines a real problem V re-supply if you don’t have a working arms factory or supply depot next door(and AR mags suck) and the SHTF. God knows what will come; not I. But with the people we got in DC it don’t look good.

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        • Yikes! January 8, 2013, 12:51 pm

          For the record, I have no interest in fighting a standing army that has tanks and air support under any circumstances. That extra 20 rounds of ammunition is pretty much a moot point that kind of a case.

          People gotta be high to think that’s a workable possibility… Red Dawn notwithstanding.

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          • irishdutchuncle January 9, 2013, 11:13 am

            the “choice” you have then is slavery for all, if you are unwilling to fight for freedom, against long odds.

          • Yikes! January 9, 2013, 1:14 pm

            Why can’t I reply to Irish directly? Weird.

            Are you suggesting that it’s a good idea to attack an M1 Abrams tank with an AR-15 and 90 rounds of 5.56?

            If the U.S. government collapses and there’s anarchy, check back with me. For now, I’m pretty sure it’s a shitty idea to attack the U.S. Military.

            I don’t know if you ever went to war or anything, but if you did, you were the one with air cover and tanks. Would you really rather be those poor, dumb bastards in the hills of Afghanistan, shooting at helicopters with 7.62×39?

            Bravado is no substitute for common sense and an ability to do math. You’re responding to a point of logic with a character attack here.

          • irishdutchuncle January 9, 2013, 11:14 pm

            No. I stayed out of the service. (for the good of the country)
            attack a tank with an AR-15? no way.
            A tank, or an attack helicopter is only as good as its supply chain. (and) although their numbers are growing it’s still a minority of US Military people who will turn their weapons on us. They will need to bring in foreign conscripts and mercenaries to do their dirty work. (and when they get here, they won’t want to go back to the hell holes they came from)

            I’ve never been good at math, never had any common sense, and my character is as flawed as anyone elses.

            Is life so dear, or peace so sweet… ? (Yes! therefore I will resist them, ’til all EFAD have been subdued)

          • Yikes! January 10, 2013, 11:54 am

            Well that’s what I mean. You’re counting on the actual soldiers in the army defecting en masse, I think.

            If they’re patriotic enough, there won’t be any need for mercenaries at all. They’ll just mow down the populace, AR’s and all. The whole point of the military is to maintain discipline among a rabble who would rather be playing video games. They’re not supposed to overthink these things.

            It’s ironic to me that some of the most conservative people join the military and so put more trust in the wisdom of government than the most maniacal socialist in Congress. They’ll follow orders.

  • sirlancelot December 29, 2012, 11:44 am

    the libs are in hyper mode now feeding off the killing of young innocents.

    the 2nd amendment is in place to fight the tyranny we are facing are now facing.

    liberal policies are what has brought us to this point and now the architects of this debacle of a society will finally try and disarm the American public making their rule over us complete.

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  • sirlancelot December 29, 2012, 11:46 am

    correction

    the 2nd amendment is in place to fight the tyranny we are now facing.

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    • Yikes! January 8, 2013, 12:45 pm

      Nah, the 2nd amendment says nothing about tyranny. It says we should have weapons suitable for military service… so that we could all amble down to the local military barracks to help out if King George got his knickers in a twist.

      In that sense, I guess it’s about tyranny. Sure.

      That said, the people who ratified the 2nd amendment were certainly concerned with the potential tyranny of the federal government (which is probably more your line of country). I suspect that they had that in the back of their time. Still, there’s nothing explicitly about that in the text of the amendment.

      You just can’t shoot at the revenuers. It’s against the rules.

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  • smokechecktim December 29, 2012, 11:54 am

    just finished an article about china. They have had so many attacks on schools in the last few years that they formed a sort of para police just to protect schools. The article pointed out that in the last two weeks there were 2 attacks on schools with large knives and one in which the dirtbag waited for school to let out and rammed 20 kids with his car.

    the only thing that will stop a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun.

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    • Jason December 30, 2012, 4:19 pm

      Isn’t China in the process of banning knives & cars? :-)

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      • Yikes! January 8, 2013, 12:39 pm

        They preemptively banned self-esteem in China years ago, but it didn’t turn out to have the effect that they expected.

        I have the impression that the actual existence of any given individual is only marginally legal there. Existence is a gray area in China. Cars and knives are just incidental.

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  • mike December 30, 2012, 4:41 pm

    I live in close proximity to the tragedy in ct and also happen to be one of the folks listed as a legally licensed handgun owner. Due to local outrage over the article, policemen are now telling people in the community that the tragedy in ct was misrepresented by the media (surprised?). The shooter commited this atrocity using multiple handguns not an assault rifle. An ar15 was found in his car, not on his person. The liberal media is furthering their agenda regardless of the truth. After witnessing first hand what the media is doing

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    • Jarhead Survivor December 30, 2012, 8:26 pm

      Mike – don’t get me started on the media. I have no use for them at all.

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      • Yikes! January 8, 2013, 12:35 pm

        Don’t overlook the first amendment in favor of the second.

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        • irishdutchuncle January 9, 2013, 11:14 am

          we only still have the first, because we keep the second.

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          • Yikes! January 9, 2013, 12:57 pm

            And if we didn’t have the first, they’d have repealed the second in 1934.

          • irishdutchuncle January 9, 2013, 11:26 pm

            Roosevelt thought the Constitution was outmoded back in 1934. The Power Elite have always regarded our rights as privileges that they could revoke. Rights are in fact, an endowment from our creator. (they didn’t come from Constitutional Amendments)

          • Yikes! January 10, 2013, 11:46 am

            Yeah, I think it says that in the Constitution… at least the Declaration of Independence.

  • mike December 30, 2012, 4:42 pm

    I can tell you with certainty; our rights are under attack.

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  • mike December 30, 2012, 4:45 pm

    The Journal News of westchester county ny put an interactive map on the internet providing all a map of all local legally licensed handgun owners. They put peoples lives in jeopardy. Particularly people like myself that need to carry due totheir profession. All freedom loving Americans were attacked by this paper not juat local residents.

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    • Yikes! January 10, 2013, 2:50 pm

      Move to PA.

      NY is the most paternalistic, draconian place I’ve ever lived… and I’ve lived down south. I swear, NY State will want to have the populace microchipped in a few years like 20 million volatile pit bulls.

      PA kind of sucks, but for different reasons. At least the Second Amendment still applies there. You can even open carry outside of Philly.

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      • irishdutchuncle January 10, 2013, 6:50 pm

        yeh, but I live in PA.

        reason enough to carry…

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        • Yikes! January 11, 2013, 12:39 am

          No kidding! I’m right across the border in the people’s republic of NY. I can see the freedom on a clear day.

          I’m not sure I take your meaning about needing to carry in PA. Although, it does seem like I nearly get into a fistfight every time i stop to get gas when I’m passing through that state. What the hell is going on down there?

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          • irishdutchuncle January 11, 2013, 12:13 pm

            New Yorkers with too much disposable income, coming here and driving up prices…

          • Yikes! January 11, 2013, 2:22 pm

            Well it’s good I’m not one of those.

          • irishdutchuncle January 11, 2013, 5:01 pm

            …in that case, there are some good real estate deals to be had over around Tobyhanna.

  • javelin December 31, 2012, 7:31 pm

    The outing of permit holders is not new. Our local Lib rag “The Cedar Rapids Gazzette” has been posting lists of new and renewal CCW permit holders ever since Iowa became a Shall Issue state. It has been to court here and was upheld with the First amendment rights and the Freedom of information act.

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  • steve January 1, 2013, 7:25 pm

    So were the Mayans realy wrong?

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    • irishdutchuncle January 1, 2013, 8:36 pm

      no.

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    • Yikes! January 8, 2013, 12:32 pm

      I’m pretty sure that the world ended. It’s just that the end of the world was a lot more boring than I expected it to be.

      Of course the gun community have simulated Armageddon by hoarding every round of .223 and .308 on the planet and artificially driving the price of anything “tactical” up by 500%.

      Seriously, there was a guy trying to sell a $1200 AR for 7 grand on Armslist. Most people are only trying to get 3 times what their stuff is worth… that dude was on crack.

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  • JAF January 2, 2013, 11:46 am

    Why don’t we publish tax records, arrest records, drivers license records, building permits records and what you buy at the grocery store. That we way we could know how much money people have, if they have been arrested, who they give to for charity if any, how they hide their money and a myriad of other things we don’t need to know. This country has gone crazy and I am only 62. I think many people like me have some of the weapons we have because we believe the world is full to the brim with crazy and is spilling over. I believe that the only real gun control comes when everyone who owns or buys a gun takes a course in gun safety as a requirement for their permit. If someone had to sit in a 4 hour class given by a professional they could be observed and see if they are part of 10% or are at least mostly sane. I have guns because I know their are people out there with much more money than brains and I am trying to protect myself from them and I can’t always stay at home though I try. Last note, Congress has got to go. Saying NO to everything is not doing your job. This applies to both parties. Try electing trained monkeys or seals at least they would be entertaining.
    Semper Fi
    JAF

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  • Yikes! January 8, 2013, 12:27 pm

    How is the National Firearms Act of 1934 not unconstitutional? I read the 2nd amendment, and it clearly says that people should keep weapons suitable for military use. It’s got f@#k all to do with hunting.

    If guns are the problem then we really need to repeal the 2nd amendment. Short of that we are always going to be ears-deep in Glocks.

    Karate do yes. Karate do no. Karate do guess so… get squished, just like grape.

    Are there any constitutional lawyers reading this string? I have questions.

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    • irishdutchuncle January 10, 2013, 2:08 am

      Rights enumerated in the Constitution, are not the entire list. Repealing Amendment II, would merely be an infringement, but it couldn’t eliminate the RIGHT to bear arms. Rights don’t come from documents or governments. Rights come from the Creator Diety, as an eternal, revealed TRUTH. it would be the truth whether we could discern it, or not. (but we have discerned it)
      You are alive. your life came from the source of life. (through your parents. But not from the supreme court, not the house or senate. and especially not from Barack Obama)
      I am not a constitutional lawyer, but those are the facts.

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      • Yikes! January 10, 2013, 11:44 am

        Facts are things that you understand through empirical observation. An AR-15 is a fact.

        You’re talking about theological assumptions… which tend to always yield to facts when the two come into conflict.

        Here’s hoping that, so long as we have our facts in order, we can bend the wild ideas back around to reason when the time comes.

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        • irishdutchuncle January 10, 2013, 6:02 pm

          it is a fact that the founders believed that the Creator Diety was the source of all RIGHT. (and all rights) and any who didn’t believe, still recognized the value of the concept: that kings and governments and mobs, can not be allowed the power to dictate right and wrong. (and If you can observe an event, and see that it’s “wrong”, you have proved to yourself that there must be a “not wrong”)

          all observations are subjective. (as Jason always points out: you see what you believe) The founders knew that right and wrong, as the Christians of the time believed it to be, was the closest they could get to an “OBJECTIVE” standard for “JUSTICE”. (which is why they made us a REPUBLIC)

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          • Yikes! January 10, 2013, 6:50 pm

            It’s not in dispute that they believed that. Had it been entirely self evident though, like a fact, they would not have felt the need to write it down in law.

            My only argument is that ideals are not facts. Facts simply exist. Ideals need to be advocated for and defended.

            Blood of patriots and tyrants, et cetera, et cetera.

          • irishdutchuncle January 10, 2013, 7:03 pm

            “self evident” is just some of the flowery language from the time. some people will never see.
            Many didn’t want it written down, because they were afraid it would be the “list” of our rights, (priveleges) and that the day would come where morality would be separated from from society, and from the law.

          • irishdutchuncle January 10, 2013, 7:31 pm

            There are many who don’t know that the founders believed that. and they won’t teach that to you in Public School. that is the heart of the matter. the Constitution invokes GOD. (what did you think “Establish Justice” meant?)

            the country is lost, because so many numbskulls out there have no clue what RIGHTS are and where they came from. (what the founders believed RIGHTS were, is the essential FACT here)

          • Yikes! January 11, 2013, 2:33 pm

            Well, I know what they believed in as well as anyone does.

            You’re more or less proving my original point. Ideas need to be carved in stone and defended with machine guns because they are inherently malleable.

            Call me patriotic or something, but I mostly believe in the ideas those guys happened to write down, and I think that’s why we’re kind of on the same page… except that you want to charge will he nil he at a tank with a Buck knife and a Kalashnikov.

            I admire your enthusiasm.

          • irishdutchuncle January 11, 2013, 5:10 pm

            You’ve got the wrong guy.
            I’m a live coward, and as long as “they” don’t mess with my family, that’s how I intend to stay. (otherwise, no heroics from me)

            (however, the people using the horror in Connecticut to advance their agenda will cause a civil war if they don’t cool-it)

          • Yikes! January 11, 2013, 7:06 pm

            Well, I am disappointed. I thought you were calling me out before for suggesting that it’s a bad idea to attack the U.S. Army. Said I was condemning us all to slavery by pussing out on the civil war.

            Everyone will defend his family in a pinch. It takes a special kind of enthusiasm to think we need to individually fight the Army.

            At least you’re honest though. Nobody wants to fight the Army.

          • irishdutchuncle January 11, 2013, 9:40 pm

            I don’t want to fight anybody.

            …but anything worth dying for is worth killing for.

  • Pineslayer January 11, 2013, 9:54 pm

    Guys, guys. Take a deep breathe. Your starting to scare the natives. Just purchase a brick or two of 22 and call us in the morning.

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    • Yikes! January 12, 2013, 1:07 am

      Are you kidding? I haven’t seen a brick of .22 ammo in more than a month.

      SOMEBODY bought up all the ammunition, it seems, in a panic.

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    • irishdutchuncle January 12, 2013, 12:04 pm

      good night.

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