My Review of Slide Fire’s SSAR-15 Stock

by Ranger Man on October 12, 2011

Remember I said in my Slide Fire Solutions SSAR-15 Stock – M4/AR15 Legal Full Auto (for a price) post that if I had a chance to try one I’d write a review? Here it is.

Gun dealer, TEOTWAWKI homeboy said, “Come on over and try it out.” I filled to magazines, grabbed my 20″ AR upper and went over. When I arrived he already had the stock mounted on an AR lower with a CMMG .22lr upper. He had heard from another guy that it was possible to get the stock to function with the .22lr upper.

“Let’s go out back,” dude said. So, in a rural-type neighborhood, we went out behind his house and walks a few hundred yards into the woods. “This, right here,” he said, pointing at the ground, “is 300′ from my house and the neighbors” (no houses behind him, the direction we’d be firing, just beside him). “One neighbor is on the state police tactical team, and he won’t care. He might come out to see what we’re doing. The other neighbor is drunk all the time, and although I don’t come out here to shoot often, he usually comes to yell at me when I do.”

“Sounds pleasant,” I thought.

We started with the .22lr upper pictured here on the floor of dude’s garage:

It didn’t work. There wasn’t enough recoil to let the SSAR stock “bump fire” the next round. Dude said his buddy that claimed to get it to work with the .22 upper used a match trigger in the lower, and that maybe that was the difference …. ? I don’t know, but I plinked a few .22 rounds out of it and we promptly moved to the 5.56 upper.

Dude goes first, pulls the trigger, keeps forward pressure on the foregrip and …. “ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba!” A steady stream of shell casing came spitting out, lead spraying down range and the muzzle immediately climbed up. Dude paused, looked back at me with a shit eating grin and “ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba!” Then he laughed. We both laughed.

Then I muckled onto the bad boy and gave that dirt hill I was aiming at holy ole hell. “Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba!” Then it was my turn to wear a shit eating grin. The rifle cycled too fast, actually. Shell casings were a mere few inches apart as they spat out in a steady stream. The muzzle climb was ridiculous. I don’t know how you could come anywhere near fire a controlled, quality burst at a target that way. The first round coming out would be on, but after that, the barrel end was all over the place. Ideally the rifle would get a muzzle brake on the end to help control the climb in a situation like this, but …. we didn’t have one of those.

After the sound of a few magazines of full-auto went sailing through the forest, sure enough, the drunk neighbor came walking through the woods toward us. Gun dealer dude stopped firing, lowered the rifle. Drunk dude was maybe 10′ away from me and the smell of hard booze was overbearing at that distance. The conversation went something like this:

“What are you doing!?” asked drunk dude.

“I’m shootin,’” said firearm dude.

“You can’t shoot out here, you’re on my land.”

“No, I’m on my land. Those are my property pins right over there. I’m 300′ from every house. XXX doesn’t care” (XXX = name of tactical team neighbor).

“I don’t give a [expletive] about XXX. It sounds like you’re shooting inside my house. I’m going to call someone. We’ll see about this.”

“Go ahead and call. I’m in the legal clear.”

“What are you doing?” he asked again, swaying slightly from the booze. “You’re a jerk!”

Then there was a period of uncomfortable silence where they were both just standing there staring at each other and me looking around at the beautiful trees. At one point during this moment of silence, I see drunk dude clench his fist and bring it up only to loosen it and wipe around his face. A few more meaningless words were exchanged and drunk dude walked off, promising this wouldn’t be the end of it. Eager to have the last word, firearm dude asks, “Can you find your way back?”

That moment was about as exciting as firing full auto with the Slide Fire stock. Firearm dude said the neighbor came to over to apologize the next day, theorized his wife gave him hell and made him.

That’s the bulk of my Slide Fire Solutions stock review. Would I buy one? No. It’s a fun toy, but it rips through already expensive ammo like nobody’s business. Firearm dude knew another guy that was going to insert a heavier buffer tube in the rifle to try slowing the rate-of-fire, but the end result would still be the same – lots of ammo in a short amount of time. HOT barrel!

The stock feels “sloppy” as it just moves freely back and forth on its own unless you turn the plastic locking mechanism underneath to hold it in place for single fire only. The stock would be far better if Slide Fire could somehow internalize the moving portion of the stock, so that all of the “sloppiness” was “hidden” inside and the stock was solid on the outside.

I don’t know much money Slide Fire Solutions is making on these things, but they must be making a killing. The minimum dealer order is somewhere on the order of $5,000 wholesale price. At a retail price of about $350 each, for a simple piece of molded plastic, no buffer, no spring, just molded plastic, they must be making money hand over fist.

Will the feds ban these things? Perhaps some day. I’d imagine it’d take one incident where some psycho freak or gang banger opens up with one before it happens. No loss for me. I don’t want one, can’t see why anyone would unless you’ve just got money to burn and/or you have an AR-15 hobby (a.k.a. Black Rifle Disease).

But if they could internalize the stock’s movement and somehow configure it to tri-burst … hmmm …. that might tempt me, but …. I don’t see it happening.

- Ranger Man

JohnDoe1999 October 12, 2011

I could see how full auto fire could come in handy as a suppressive/get away from me weapon purely due to violence of action (both psychological and physical), but I’ll be sticking with my semi-auto. Firstly, I don’t believe in suppressive fire. IMO, the only effective fire is fire that actually incapacitates the target. Army fire teams are told to fire: sustained, rapid, or cyclic. Sustained being slow aimed fire, rapid being videos of you tube guys firing their semi auto AR-15s as fast as possible with little effect, and cyclic being full auto. Even close in two well aimed center mass shots are superior to 30 sprayed rounds that kill a family in the next room. I just think semi auto is more effective, safer, and as you said, MORE AFFORDABLE LOL.

Spook45 October 12, 2011

Hm, sounds about like I described in the first post about this thing. Looks like fun, but I dont need it. I ll spend that 300+ on ammo. Funny story tho..

Jarhead Survivor October 12, 2011

Three round bursts at the max. Semi-auto preferred. I agree with JohnDoe1999.

I’ll bet it was wicked fun, but for practical purposes I don’t see a use for it, especially if you’re thinking TEOTWAWKI where everything – especially bullets – will be in high demand.

Brad in South FL October 12, 2011

I have a friend that has one of the slide fire stocks, it was fun but not practical. Don’t get me wrong I love full auto fire for fun but I agree with everyone not good in SHTF situation. But if someone wants to pay for the ammo I would be happy to test one out for a few hours!!!

Stay safe all!

Bman October 12, 2011

The .22lr upper sounds cool… Although an automatic .22 reeks of awesomeness, I don’t think I’d spend the money for the slide fire stuff. I agree with Spook, $300+ can go towards another 1,000 rounds of 5.56 ammo.

Lumberjok October 12, 2011

Good thing you weren’t in the garage shooting out an open garage door. If so, I suspect you would have shot up the garage door opener…and they are expensive to replace. I posted when you did the original story on the device….my worn out colt pistol went full auto on me and I shot up the wall and ceiling ….. it’s incredible how fast the muzzle rises.

Even with coffee shakes I can hit a 9 inch pie plate all day long at 100 yds shooting offhand. After shooting off 6 or so mags I suspect I would anticipate the recoil and develop a flinch, then even the first round of a burst woul go wide.

Chef Bear58 October 12, 2011

As others have mentioned, I would be interested in one if it would work with a 22LR upper, but 5.56 although not nearly as expensive to shoot as my 300Win-Mag is still a bit steep for me to want on full-auto/”bump-fire”! I also have to agree that a few well placed shots is FAR superior to full-auto if you can’t fire it accurately. In fact, I would rather have an extremely accurate bolt-action than an automatic that can’t hit the broad-side of a barn! The “supressive” aspect of full-auto fire will only work to keep heads down for as long as it takes for folks to realize the rounds aren’t anywhere near them. On the other-hand, the guy firing on full-auto/bump-fire and not hitting anything would make a very tempting target for the folks down-range once they realize that the idiot isn’t putting rounds anywhere remotely close to them… then even a simple single-shot .22 could easily be upgraded to a fancy AR15, with an annoying stock!

JohnDoe1999 October 14, 2011

I had an interesting thought about me firing 30 rounds bump fire, and then some guy leaning around a corner and putting a 7.62x54mm into my chest… IMO a guy with a $99 Rifle and a Spam Can of practice ammo could be more effective than a guy with a full auto.

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