Preemptive Bug Out – Letting Go of the Dream

by Calamity Jane on January 26, 2012

I get questions, about when I think the S will HTF, and when I recommend that people head for the hills.  I rarely answer those people. Most frame the question in such a way, it’s clear they think we aren’t to that point yet.  I’m of the opinion that we’re there.  Not in an OMG The Grid is DOWN! Let’s GO! sort of way, but in a pack it up, pack it in, downsize and settle someplace for the long haul way.

I’m not sure how many of you read the Archdruid or Lord Bison, but that message seems to be flowing from their pens as well.  At this point it’s not a question of when to BO to avoid the highway congestion, the question is why aren’t you already leaving? There are global protests over wide spread economic downturns, saber rattling from several consistently hostile countries, (including one that could trigger another oil crisis,) a jobless rate that’s staggering, a clear downhill tilt to the oil production, and so on and so forth.  There’s no guarantees about where the next Hurricane Irene or Katrina is going to hit. There’s no guarantees about where the next plant closing is going to happen. The only guarantee I see from this point on is that recoveries from the inevitable setbacks will be longer, harder and sparser.  The social nets are already starting to come unraveled:

Closed School in TX

Governor set to close schools on May 1st.

Public Employee Pension accounts headed towards depletion.

US Army Corps of Engineers will delay levee repairs.

States can’t pay their bills.

Why bother sticking around someplace you feel isn’t going to be a viable community when the SHTF? Sure your house may be nice, but you can’t take it with you.  Sure, your job might be nice, but will it survive a grid down scenario or an oil crisis or a reduction in federal spending? You’d arguably be better off if you give it up now, downsize, move to a more SHTF-friendly location, take the cut in pay and start living like you mean to survive. Waiting around to, “time it right” or suck a little more from the federal teat, that’s just a recipe for disaster.  Then you’re looking at having to relocate, job hunt, plant a garden AND rebuild stores all during the first year of a SHTF event.  Major suckage.

I know a lot of our regulars are already hunkered down.  For those that aren’t, what’s holding you back? Be honest. Are you still hoping for that big raise or trying to keep up appearances?  Are you just not ready to give up on the American Dream?

- Calamity Jane

Timmy January 26, 2012

What we need to do is tax the rich and create more government programs so that this doesn’t happen.

Tom Warner February 5, 2012

Ummm… In case you’re not aware of the absurdity of that comment, let’s just review a few known truths. 1) The rich/wealthy of this planet OWN the remainder. This isn’t a pen and paper proof, you have to LOOK at reality on a daily basis for just a little while. It will become known to you quite clearly after ANY excursion that takes you outside of your sphere of comfort. 2) The job of government is to create wars. People fail to realize that THAT is ALL they’ve ever had to do in order to redistribute wealth, slow population growth, and make people fearful of each other. 3) Social programs are for the social. Society requires a certain degree of socializing, and that requirement is bolstered by an overly specialized rank of top earners that through their credentials and status OWN everyone underneath.

If you think a bigger government is the answer to ANYTHING, or social programs will fix anything…you’re in the bigger part of a majority that just can’t seem to face the corruption in the modern age that has led governments around the world to the brink collapse. The biggest problem is right in fron of us daily, and it happens to be all of those people walking around with their i-pods and smart phones who just seem to say, “Huh?,” whenever anything important happens. Funny that with a fiat currency about to lose its credibility, many people seem to think the answer is to punish the rich with more taxes. I wonder if that’s going to work when mass evacuations “for our safety” begin.

Spook45 January 26, 2012

Heh, Good one tim; I have to agree with you however, some of us dont the money or ability to bug anywhere. For me, bug out is when it gets so bad I have to leave my home and in that event it will truly be a SHTF situation. I must agree tho that If I had the means to do I need to I would on my to some place so rural that it scarcly sees daylight. Instead, I will stay where I am as I am and continue to prep and stick with my people. When the time comes, we will throw down and let the chips fall. This is my home and Iwill not surender it until I am Dead and there is no more fight left in me.

Odd Questioner January 26, 2012

I’m kind of in-between.

I’ll be a lot more rural in about 6 weeks, when the lease dies off on my current apartment and I can get the U-Haul loaded.

Thing is, living in the country is a bit of a compromise. Out in the sticks, there are no jobs for most folks.

For telecommuting (my option) the Internet connectivity (in most areas) is either super-sucky (capped and laggy satellite, 3G as long as it doesn’t rain, dial-up, etc), or if you’re lucky you get a DSL line that parties like it’s 1998 (128KB/sec). I lucked out and found a small town near a massive telco fiber trunk, so I actually have a shot at decent speeds (my job uses real-time bits like VoIP, WebEx, and remote desktop. Having a decent connection is quite critical to me at times).

All that said, rent is hella cheap out there nowadays. If you can tolerate an hour commute each direction, the savings will more than justify the cost of gasoline, especially if you have an econobox that gets great mileage. I figure that telecommuting so that I only have to do it twice a week will, in spite of gas prices, save a ton of money. My little econobox gets 33 mpg, which makes it far less painful than you’d think).

I hope this helps a bit, because there are a lot of factors that you’d have to consider before moving out of the city/suburbs, and they’re going to require a lot of commitment on your part.

(I had a long drawn-out post done for this article, but my laptop hard drive decided to crap out this morning. Just barely re-built its, and yes, I keep extra computer parts in my preps. Sue me.)

Don Ruane January 26, 2012

Great post.
I am not ready to give up on the American Dream.
I would rather die in the streets.
The American People must realize that our Ace in the Hole is a State Called Constitutional Convention.
We need 38 States to call a Constitutional Convention to get 3 Amendment forced on Congress, Term Limits, Fair Tax and Balanced Budget.
These three Amendments with the Complete Repeal of ObamaCare and Dodd Frank will save this country.
So, my question is “what are you doing to force your state governor to the Constitutional Convention Table”?

Spook45 January 26, 2012

The problem with that is that the elected jackasses that are in office would be the reps that went so you could very easily(likely in fact) end up worse than what we have nw. The only way that will work is throw out the reps we have and start anew or to elect new ones (other than traditional politicians,I E Regular people) so that we actually have representation instead of sellouts and turncoats like we have now. Truth be known, we are right back where we started, taxation without representation and a long train of abuses….

lost in woods January 27, 2012

@ Don:

Please correct me if I’m wrong, it has been 30 years since I took a US Government class.

If a Constitutional Convention is held, aren’t all of the amendments subject to review / repeal?

For example: while the states work on a Balanced Budget Amendment, couldn’t the 2nd amendment be repealed by majority vote while this is going on?

Once again, tell me if I am not remembering this right…

Granite Prepper January 29, 2012

You are correct…..the door swings WIDE open on all amendments!! You may get lucky and get the ones knocked out you oppose, but the unintended consequence of losing ones…..like the 2nd……would be disasterous.

J.R. February 10, 2012

With all due respect, Don, I just don’t understand what the “real” problem with everyone having access to medical care in this country? Or, frankly, to having something like the Dodd-Frank Act that prevents a rich fat cat from swindling me or my family from our hard-earned money. Look at how many millions of folks are out of work today because of the guys making mega-million dollar bonuses to think up and swindle each other over the derivatives debacle. We didn’t do anything wrong. We were working good jobs that happened to be in real estate and *POOF*, our jobs are gone for at least the next five+years. I don’t see how making sure that banks don’t screw us again hurts us the workers? I see a lot of people take-up for the rich, fat-cat, bankers and the folks that are pulling in $500,000+ a year because they’ve made a lot of simpler folks think it’s about opportunity and justice and the American Way. It’s not. It’s about them keeping what they’ve stolen and being allowed to steal more. It wasn’t legal then and it’s not legal now. What’s wrong with hard working folks using their G-D given common sense to say: “There’s nothing wrong with a regulation that prevents bankers from screwing America again”. Simple folks think that politicians can wave the flag, show an apple pie and get away with anything they want as long as you say: “It’s the American Way”. Well, it’s not. That’s Washington’s Way. I just wanted to say that because a lot has been written about so many of the folks that are getting their hackles in a huff defending politicians and their lobbyists (Bankers, Insurance Companies, Health Companies) when they’re helping to keep laws that help the little man keep what he’s got. 90% of the laws passed in the last 10 years are helping those at the very top and, unless we win the lottery, that ain’t-a-gonna be us.

irishdutchuncle January 26, 2012

Fer FAL just bugged out of Argentina too.

i don’t personally have the nerve to leave here.

i’ll “shelter in place”. all of my important people are near here. i will do whatever i can for them.

ChaChaGirl January 26, 2012

I live next door to my husband’s elderly father. He is still capable of caring for himself at this point. All seven of his children were born while living in his home so he refuses to leave. I would love to move to a better location but my husband’s job, lack of money to purchase property and my elderly father-in-law are keeping me in an area that may not be ideal if the SHTF.

Seth January 26, 2012

If I had a supportive spouse, I’d move today. However, since I don’t, I make do as best I can.

Odd Questioner January 26, 2012

Actually, if you take your time, you can do it.

At first, my missus was all against the idea of leaving what is actually a pretty wonderful and funky city to live in (Portland, OR). The way I talked her into it was to slowly point out the downsides (crime, expenses, etc), and to point up the upsides of the rural/small-town life. Then I took her out driving a lot. Ostensibly, it was to see the pretty countryside and such, but I was also scouting for potential BOL destinations at the same time.

Eventually, I found a place that could stand a good chance of surviving almost all SHTF situations as a community, but at the same time it’s a place that the missus actually enjoyed being at. Then and only then did I pop the question about living there. By then it was no problem… where before she would have screamed against the idea, now she actively defends it to others who try and talk her out of it.

JeanneS January 26, 2012

My husband did basically the same thing, just more quietly — he bided his time until I got sick of all the city problems you mentioned, until I complained enough, until I started fondly reminiscing about the more rural/isolated places I lived in childhood. We’re planning a move to Alaska eventually (it’s one of the places I lived as a child) and in the meanwhile, I’m doing as much “urban homesteading” as I can manage so I’m not totally useless once we get some land. And I’m remembering a lot of country skills from my childhood & teen years that I thought I’d never need again once I moved to the city!

Granite Prepper January 29, 2012

Was stationed in Alaska and would love to move back again……just not when the grid goes down or the ability for resupply is limited. I know the eskimos, who I spent time with, used to be able to live off the land, but look at the small village that had resupply problems and was on the verge of freezing?? I don’t think even the natives have the wherewithal to live off the land any longer……at least not all of them and the die-off of natives and others(Anchorage and Fairbanks) would be horrendous.

Mechanic43 January 26, 2012

So how many times do you bug out? What if your bug out location goes south and you have to leave again? I’m not leaving until there is no choice (fire, chemical spill, etc). Bugging out to me is running for your life and a last resort. If you find a better job or better situation sure, but think long and hard. I plan to stick it out with my comminity and friends right here, my family has the best chance of prospering during a SHTF situation right where we are. We are prpared to leave but only when there is no other option.

Odd Questioner January 26, 2012

I suspect that the idea is to find something initially that satisfies a few conditions:

* The area/region should be able to either be bypassed or withstand a massive national or global SHTF event without being affected by it too much. This also means being able to best survive the results. Mind you there is no perfect place to do all of this (else I’d be living in such a place by now), but there are good candidates and regions.

* You should be able to look around objectively at the folks in such a community and say, with at least some confidence, that they will come together and survive together (along with you, naturally) in the face of most (if not all) SHTF events.

* Further, you should be able to say that such a community is very likely to support each other (within reason) through thick and thin.

Even if you found such a spot and moved there, you’ll always want to look for an alternate spot that you can run to in case the bad mojo directly affects your chosen spot the hardest.

For instance, let’s say you live in one of Rawles’ “Redoubt States”. Well, most of them are well within reach of the Yellowstone Caldera, should it erupt. If that enormous geothermal teapot credibly threatened to blow, you’ll want somewhere else that you can run to. Or, let’s say you found a cozy prairie town to live in. If civil war threatened along lines that would put you directly in a combat zone, having an idea of where to run would be a capital idea, no?

The overall idea is to have one spot where you can best tough out pretty much anything (except maybe one or two scenarios), and still have some chance of surviving – then have somewhere else in mind to run for if those one or two scenarios came up (or if you researched it all wrong, and found out the hard way later.

This way, you can tough it out in your chosen spot all the way until life or limb were to be directly and irrevocably threatened.

It saves the trouble of having to constantly pack up and flee,you know?

Michael in Indy January 26, 2012

Let me say this first off, I’m tired been fighting the good fight sence i first started to vote and that was alot of years ago
My countrymen and women can not seem to see whats going on or they dont care
They keep electing the same old same, new names same game
Let me say i love my country i care about my fellow citizens
i would give my life to defend my country and its people but you can’t save someone from themselves
I’m ready to bug and there is a sadness in my heart over it
our freedoms will leave not with a bang, but with a soft whimper and cheering from the crowds the people will give it away willingly

Prepared N.D. January 26, 2012

We’re bugging in. All of our family and friends are here, and it’s a good location. There are more survival friendly locations in the U.S., but we wouldn’t be happy – this is our home, we were born and raised here, and we believe it’s worth fighting for.

With that being said, we’re still ready to go at a moment’s notice. It’s going to take some sort of local disaster to get us to pull up the stakes and move.

As for the American Dream.. We’ve got all our bases covered so we’re going to enjoy those 1st world luxuries as long as we can afford them.

Jason January 26, 2012

Letting go of the dream? Yes I agree, it is high time to let it go …

The dream of bugging out & running away from problems.

The dream of finding some plot of earth to call your own, grow your veggies, own a cow & a goat & a few chickens, hanging your laundry in the gentle breeze with your face peacefully pointed towards the sun.

The dream of the world has one foot in the grave & the other on a banana peel.

The dream of having a .45 strapped to your hip, while your wife mans the grenade launcher for the protection of the pantry goods.

The dream that Mad Max is on it’s way & time to soup up the 4 Runner & add a gun turret.

The dream that the tail (politicians) that is wagging the dog will continue to do so while the dog (the populous) accepts continually being dizzy.

The dream that this has never happened before & we are doomed. Forget about that we survived the oil crisis of the early 80′s & 20% interest, the Savings & Loans of the late 80′s being wiped off the map at a cost of billions & billions & billions & billions of dollars.

Did we survive that? Must have been an illusion …

“The dream follows the interpretation” – the Talmud

Let’s take it a step further & use a present, more widespread individual condition as an example. What happens if we default on our loans to offshore countries & elect to keep the loot for ourselves? Are those countries going to repossess us? Bring an army of Guido’s to break our legs? Hmmm, bring down the largest economy in the world so we can suffer exponentially? Nah, don’t think so – time to play Texas Hold ‘em.

(By the way if you extrapolate to a nuclear holocaust, no amount of preps will ever sustain you for more than 5 minutes).

A now famous survivalist, Mel Tappan, bugged out to the Pacific Northwest in the 70′s and waited for the sky to fall. He wrote about it, had a field day in the 80′s seeing the demise of our country, then died in ’88. His tombstone probably reads “Keep on packin’ folks because I’ll bet that I will be right … someday”. Good bye Mel.

Here we are in a day & age of thinking so advanced & now so vast and beyond all recorded history combined that “you” want me to believe it will all shrink like water being poured on the wicked witch in the Wizard Oz movie?

OMG, we are standing on the edge of the abyss, watching the sand melt from under our feet, what are we supposed to do?? Some of the (moronic & morbid) great thinkers of today’s blogworld confirm that … fact? Now there’s a multi-layered dichotomy!

Rest easy friends, greater minds are in charge & lest we forget -

“Never, never, never give up!”
~ Winston Churchill

“Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail.”
~ Ralph Waldo Emerson

Must be a couple of whack jobs from the archives of real dreams ….

PS January 26, 2012

I did think it was cute, amusing or maybe it was just a Freudian slip how you tied your last article to this one (second to last paragraph) -

“…. or suck a little more from the federal teat …”

Now that’s funny!

Odd Questioner January 26, 2012

Dunno… it all depends on your motivation for moving. Nice Devil’s Advocate job, though.

Personally, I’d prefer to be in a small town if it all went ‘splat’ anyway. Flip the coin over, and I still love living in a more rural environment, even if the world became like the Star Trek Federation tomorrow morning at 9am sharp, and all humanity’s problems were suddenly solved.

As for the odds? given history, I’m not, shall we say, a perfect optimist. All civilizations eventually crash, or go through transformational turbulence that winds up killing a lot of people. Just the way it is, and it doesn’t require nuclear weaponry to happen. Will it happen here in the next decade? Who knows? I’d prefer to be prepared for it anyway, since most (sane!) preps are actually quite useful in a large spectrum of other events and happenings.

By the way: Certainly we made it through the S&L scandal and all that crap. OTOH, we had to grind through the Great Depression, which fully qualifies as a SHTF event if there ever was one.

Either way, I’m happy with my decision to move out of Dodge. You can keep Dodge… I’ll just visit once in awhile.

Jason January 26, 2012

Yea, yea – promises, promises … I’ll keep a light burning for you.

Odd Questioner January 26, 2012

Keep a beer cold too. :p

Jason January 27, 2012

Since you’re in the land of micro-brewerys, there’s a million dollar idea for you – SHTF Beer. A beer that goes down faster than the economy & is far easier to swallow!

Jason January 26, 2012
Michael January 26, 2012

Some places are going to do better than others in the future. The way I read this is that Calamity’s wondering if you live in a place that might not do so hot in the future why are you still there, not that everyone should run for the hills. I’d note that John Michael Greer of The Arch Druid Report lives in a small town in Maryland, not some compound in the hills.

I think where I’m at right now will have some challenges, but will do OK. If I were to move I would be looking at how I felt my new location would do in the future.

Michael January 26, 2012

I guess I should add that I think whatever you plan on doing the time to do it is now.

Emanjamin January 26, 2012

Wife and large upside down mortgage…sigh

Jason January 26, 2012

Ah yes, then the world deals with the saber rattling & potential oil crisis …

http://news.yahoo.com/ahmadinejad-says-iran-ready-nuclear-talks-115732174.html

Note paragraph 5 – how to bring a bully to his knees in 3 days & forcing him to bow to the west instead of the east.

Anonymous January 26, 2012

just to lazy

T.R. January 26, 2012

Im not one of these Y2K type people . I prep for just in case , but I will not run away from my problems either . Why haven’t I BO yet ? Because I dont see my situation warranting what in my mind is the last resort .

T.R. January 26, 2012

Give up the dream ? No , not just no , but HELL NO ! ………………….You give up your dreams , you give up your goals …….you have lost your soul . No dreams , no goals , no soul , no point ………..just shoot yourself and get it over with . Your dreams and goals may change , one must also remember , God is smarter than we are , just because what we chase doesn’t work out , doesn’t mean we stop trying . What we want and what we need may be two different things . Dont have hope , instead , have faith . That includes faith in yourself . Bugging out is running away out of fear . Relocating because you honestly feel you need a fresh start or a change is a different matter .

Jason January 26, 2012

High five!

noisynick January 26, 2012

If you haven’t made your move by now whats the point…….
Stay where your most comfortable at least then you’ll know where to locate any assistance you might get. Running to the Hills will only get you killed by those who live there. i think most folks would be better off toughing it out right where they are unless they have a very well established place to go. with resources already in place. We had a tornado blow thru our farm destroyed every building there knocked down hundreds of trees miles of fence killed cattle and destroyed equipment. Total loss all along after 3 years of Hard Ass work and 100′s of thousands of insurance dollars. were about 90% back to normal, thats when neccessary things are available and easily attainable.
Biggest single prep I had that did more for us than anything else 6mos worth of cash in the safe in the floor which didn’t get blown away. That helped us get thru till my insurance kicked in.
Bug in unless you have well a prepared sight.
We had the food supply and lots of preps short of pitching a tent on the side of a hill in a progressive set of storms none of them did us much good. Oh one of my neighbors loaned me a truck since the 3 we had were totaled as well.
Just my 2 cents worth…………..

T.R. January 30, 2012

Agreed , its generally felt that bugging in is the best choice if there is a choice . My personal theory is that even if there was a total worldwide economic collapse , the disarray would be very temporary , especially for nations like the US , Canada , China , etc . with large land mass and capable people . The reason I think that is because in the event of that happening , it would be in both the best interest of the people and the government to solve it internally . This means , isolationism .Other countries will do the same thing , the money in your pocket is still worth face value , because they say it is , and that will be enforced , the things we need that we were getting as imports , we will simply have to tool up and make ourselves …………. no big deal for us . We went from a neutral nation with no jobs and low production in the grip of the great depression to an angry industrial super power supplying and feeding ALL the allies in just two short years after being attacked by Japan . All things will be made here and any trade we do have with anybody else will be limited . Our country will have a protected currency that is spent inside the confines of our own nation ( other countries will do the same thing ) in order to quickly stabilize the system . The only pain will be the transition to self reliance in the form of shortages , that will also be short . It doesnt take people long to get things going when they have to .

Stoosh February 9, 2012

Hello!

Not to rain on your parade, but rather to provide some perspective. Canada was in the War from the get-go, September, 1939. And Canada was then – and still is – a massive provider of raw materials (oil), timber, wheat to Britain and other Allies.

Now, it was most definitely a team effort. Just making sure people remember who was on that team.

Warmest regards.

CherylFirebride January 26, 2012

Honestly, we don’t leave because we can’t afford it. No money to move, and if we sold our house it would pay it off with no extra. It’s cheaper to stay where we are, until and unless miraculous intervention happens. Until then, we are stocking up and storing up to beat the band, doing as much as we can with what we have.

Michael January 26, 2012

I think the important things is to have the question of where are you going to live settled, regardless of where it’s at.

sam January 27, 2012

i have no guarantees regardless of where i live. sometimes its better to play ball in your home court than at another stadium. know what i mean?

eddy 153 January 27, 2012

every one talks a good game but if and when shtf cums every one will be runing for there lifes. i just feel sorry for the poor, kids the old n the sick. for they will be the one that will need the most help. I pray and hope that god gives me the power to help as many as i can plus kill any one that gets in my way. when shtf cums it will be every man for them self but if u just stop and think about all the helpless then when the time cums u will see that god will watch over u and provide. my plans for shtf are to rise as many young war minded ppl n kids. hiter once said give me a 5 year old n i will make him a killer. man has been on the move longer then we care to go back. ppl talk about shtf n ppl get scare if god wants war then war he gets plus he the one with the last saiding. i don’t care how much stuff u have have when your time is pass due, your going 2 die. you can all go out n buy buy buy but what good will it do u when god already make up this mind. i see my self as abraham: waiting for shtf 2 cum so that i can clear what to cum n make the next years provetice. read revelation 5:10, 20:6, 12; 21:4,5. so live it up and good luck to u all may god keep you close and warm.

eddy 153 January 27, 2012

anonymous you must be one of my fans or just real old. i bet you every one that writes on the phone will know what i mean by cum its short for come. hey thanks for leting me know that cum is what you call seaman. just to help you understand or just give you back a few years of life. u=you cum=come 2=to 1=one c=see. If you like to know any more “see you next tueday”.

Jason January 29, 2012

T.R.

You’re so right & couldn’t stop laughing!

You are a sick but funny man …

T.R. January 27, 2012

That is a portrait of why all industrialized nations are so far ahead of America intellectually . We have no education system . either that or he’s black ……… same difference .

Jason January 27, 2012

Bwaaaahh, ha,ha,ha,ha,ha !!!!!!!!

T.R. January 29, 2012

I thought you would like that one lol . ;)

T.R. January 30, 2012

In all seriousness tho , Yes we are on web sites like this to learn how to survive . The thing is , surviving is important …. but what is more important in knowing how to LIVE . Not like an animal ……… but as a human being . That includes , respecting yourself enough to stop the ghetto lingo and speak english . Were you born here ? if so , shame ! My girl is from the former Soviet Union , her english is better than some of the american kids english . If it makes you feel any better , my Russian is as bad as your english ……..so Im told ;)

eddy 153 January 31, 2012

what are you for real what does it matter what color my skin is if you only knew who you were talking to i bet you would watch your lip before it’s found in a river far some where in the world. it’s funny how i joint this wed page and write what i feel then i’m call all name made fun of. i would love to see how you would hold up in most of the country’s i been too i bet you would hide just like all the other so call hard waw gangs. i’m not a ganger or a killer, real know’s real when confronted. get a job then come see me with all your hate for some one you never met. i bet you never finish school as for me i finish top of my class in the usa i’m a businessmen and make more money in one year that you can see in your life time.

Anonymous January 31, 2012

Yes I forgot , drug dealing is a ” bidness ” . your still using ghetto speak instead of english , so what your saying as far as education and top of your class goes ………not buying it . Your right on one point , that its irrelevant to the information provided by this web ( not wed ) site . As far as color goes , its an observation , doesn’t mean I’m correct on what you are but as a generality ……. I feel I am correct . Im very redneck that way , Some folks I dont associate with , Im not PC , and nothing will change my beliefs .we all know that PC stands for politically correct , but what it really stands for to me is Pacification Conspiracy . I dont play that game . I dont do anything without a reason , especially travel . I travel too much with my line of work as it is . Why would I have any reason to go to some of the crap countries you have without gg

T.R. January 31, 2012

I travel too much with my line of work as it is . Why would I have any reason to go to some of the crap countries you have without good reason ? I wouldn’t !

browser crash >:(

Liz January 27, 2012

My thoughts have been similar lately, like a deep intuition rumbling. I have been a gardener for years, but have only been “prepping” for six months now, and on a limited budget. I have focused on superpails, # 10 cans of whole grains, tools, debt reduction and skill development. My partner is totally not on board with surviving and thriving and I imagine will be found in bed under the covers hiding when the SHTF. So leaving is an option I have mulled over frequently. I will buy my first gun with my tax refund. My Bug Out Bag is lightweight and ready to go. (I am an ex thruhiker and always packed for a wilderness adventure) I do well at the local shooting range and have been renting handguns to see which will be my first. I attended my first primitive skills gathering this year. I can’t see buying land cause its only me and I have no one to leave it to. Where do I find land I can live on and not have to own it?

gat31 January 28, 2012

Liz sometimes people will lease you land. Find someone with several acres and see if you can work out something to lease say 2 acres. Just have to ask permission for any permanent structures.
Also some farms have apartments for their workers. If you can rent an apartment and lease an acre or 2 that might work as well.

izzy January 29, 2012

Long ago in the new-agey 90′s, I read an article about how to make the move “back to the land”. The author advised that while you decide, get ready BEFORE moving out of the city – buying up used tools (in the country they don’t get rid of perfectly-good tools), reading up (in those days there weren’t great libraries or internet in the boonies) and saving up since there weren’t a lot of jobs to choose from in rural counties. It’s helped a lot now that I’m partway out of the city, and now that all those tools & other contingencies are getting popular. I think the author may have been this same guy:
http://www.grandpappy.info/indexhar.htm
However in a recent unexpected emergency, I started realizing that there were some unlikely-but-happening scenarios that no one had planned for… people in NYC at risk for tornadoes, Easterners and Midwesterners at risk for quakes, Westerners at risk for fallout… and I started reevaluating my preparedness level.
The way I see it, there is always the tradeoff between back-to-the-land vs. mobility. Generally I agree that being able to grow/keep your own food is most important. However, I’m beginning to realize that in any populated area – even the suburbs – disease prevention is most important.
If I “bug out” to a more rural area – suddenly & unexpectedly – either I’ll be “under attack” from something falling from the skies/erupting underfoot, or more likely, the heaping mound of my neighbors garbage and/or broken toilets will mean I’ll have to leave or face cholera & dysentery. The chief reason to go rural will be mounting filth, even (especially?) in a “good” neighborhood.

101st Airborne January 31, 2012

To Timmy: Please tell me you are kidding. Tax the rich more uh? So, dude makes $2Billion a year and pays $300 Million in taxes and you want to suck the blood out of him uh? So you can get your $3000 refund? So are you an occupier? One burning the flag in Oakland yesterday ? Locked and loaded/bunkered/supplied/well dug/2yrs off grid capable/family on board . Light the torch and let’s get it on. Sick and tired of reading and listening to all these rambo wannabes (most of the present company excluded) all I been hearing for a year are the cricketts. Euro this/Euro that…gold silver blah blah blah. Fannie/Freddie…Senate/Congress/ickhead of a wimp in chief with bucket o ribs at his side in her $2400 dress from target..blah blah blah….I’ve lived like a freakin opossum for years…I am well into the 30% tax rate…let me ask you a ? young timmy, every been employed by a poor guy?

eddy 153 February 1, 2012

you guys make me laugh you talk a good game with all the redneck bs. trust me you guys don’t make $$$$ money to travel even on your best of years. tell me where you been and i bet i been there if not more then your dreams can go.you guys act like your some big man with big jobs where do you guys work walmart. i’m not a ganger or a drug dealer just a man that call’s it how it is. i always said if you look like a duck and act like one then you got to be one. i guess you guys know what i’m talking about like are you guys g** or just into trying to hurt reads feeling i would love to know what the wed site would think about you guys if they found out that yous guys are kids playing tag your it. as far as school i have a feeling the highs you guys when was middle school trust me i know it hard to be a redneck, so school came last, after feeds your friends the ducks. this is a great site, if not the best so stop playing tag like it was a school yard and treat it with some respect.

Anonymous February 1, 2012

you guys make me laugh you talk a good game with all the redneck bs. trust me you guys don’t make $$$$ money to travel even on your best of years. tell me where you been and i bet i been there if not more then your dreams can go.you guys act like your some big man with big jobs where do you guys work walmart. i’m not a ganger or a drug dealer just a man that call’s it how it is. i always said if you look like a duck and act like one then you got to be one. i guess you guys know what i’m talking about like are you guys g** or just into trying to hurt reads feeling i would love to know what the wed site would think about you guys if they found out that yous guys are kids playing tag your it. as far as school i have a feeling the highs you guys when was middle school trust me i know it hard to be a redneck, so school came last, after feeds your friends the ducks. this is a great site, if not the best so stop playing tag like it was a school yard and treat it with some respect.

Andy February 2, 2012

I’m preparing. My wife and kid are in. We’re not whackos. I’m a realist, and I see a potential for some bad times ahead for our country. Might be financial, political, environmental, or natural disaster. I’m saving money to move away from our place. We don’t own it, and it’s not in a good location for many SHTF scenarios. We’re thinking rural, higher elevation, with a second, “off the beaten path” sort of arrangement. I’ve got firearms, lots of camping gear, have converted some of my assets to gold and silver, and am presently working on a food cache and water purification. I also believe the mind is the most important thing to have prepared, just in case something challenging happens.
I will state, right now, I’m not running from anything. I’ve discussed it with family and friends. They don’t think I’m whacko either. I was raised in a place and time when things were “low tech”. I can live without e-mail, web, cell phone, computer, and TV. I don’t have a TV now.
What breaks my heart, is that so many people will be directly affected by future events. And they will suffer, because they didn’t have a plan.

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