The Changing State of the Gun Industry and Gun Buyers

Has anyone read this month’s The Economist, you know, that wick’d smaht magazine for wick’d smaht people? This issue:

I like this magazine, but what I want to call your attention to is this particular article in this month’s issue:

Arms and the man” – read it by clicking on the link. The article speaks about the NRA being under political pressure despite a seemingly string of political victories. I’d recommend reading the article if you’re interested in the NRA piece (and it is interesting), because I’m not going to rehash the article here, I’m going to build off it, particularly this quote:

Americans like firearms. According to a report from the Congressional Research Service there were 294m guns in the country in 2007, up from 192m in 1994. More guns might be expected to mean more influence for the NRA, except that the number of households with guns has actually declined fairly consistently since 1973. The people who buy guns, it seems, are usually those who already own them.

I read articles all the time about gun sales going up and always thought that a healthy percentage of those sales were to people new to firearms, but after reading the above, I started thinking about the gun buyers I know. They all already own guns, and they buy more. Military-style firearms are particularly sought after, which begs the question – are today’s gun buyers just existing gun owners with an itch to “pull the trigger” on more powerful, amped up firearms?

It wasn’t more than a few days after reading The Economist article that I read another piece in a Maine newspaper, Silencers Gaining Popularity Among Maine Guy Users. That article is equally interesting and cites the reasons for an increased number of silencer purchases as increased urbanization. I suspect that may be in true in part, but my gut tells me something else – gun owners are tricking out their guns, making them guns on roids, and having fun doing it. Is that good? Bad? Indifferent?

But wait – there’s more! I also read an FFL friend’s newsletter from Brownells that states:

One of the really big happenings in our industry right now is that the ammo for the very popular calibers − .223, .40, 9mm, .38 and .380 – is becoming more and more scarce. Lead times from the factories are extending out to 3rd and 4th quarter, even into 1st quarter 2013, and the “pipeline” from the factory to the retail store is drying up. What this means is every person who is interested in having these calibers to shoot over the summer appears to be buying as much as possible right now, when they can find it, for fear it will not be available or prices will increase to the point of being ludicrous. Our guys who attended the recent Tulsa Gun Show told us pallets of .223 ammo were disappearing within a day. This bump looks like it will be just like, if not greater than, the 2008 ammunition bump. We also get reports that it is very hard to have AR-15 rifles in stock and the smaller conceal carry firearms are moving in huge volumes this first quarter. We expect that pattern to continue throughout the summer if not all the way to the end of the year.

The source may be considered biased, so take it for what it’s worth, but I don’t suspect it’s far from the truth. I think The Economist is right, most gun purchases are coming from existing gun owners and those owners are just buying more and more, and more and more military-style firearms with more and more ammo.

What does that mean politically for the future of firearms if there are not more pro-firearm voters, just more energized pro-firearms voters that already vote anyway?

What does that mean from a prepper perspective if there aren’t more people with firearms, but the same people with more firearms?

Maybe all of this means nothing, but it seems like the gun industry, gun buyers, and the future of gun ownership is all in a state of flux and uncertainty.

- Ranger Man

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  • kevin May 1, 2012, 10:56 pm

    i REALLY hate to say this but im afraid with all the bs coming down from zimmerman martin thing that all of this WILL lead to civil war and even the IDEA of that makes me fearful

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    • T.R. May 2, 2012, 1:09 am

      I dont think that case or any other will lead to a civil war , as bad as we may need one to set things right . The average person doesn’t have the nut to take up arms ( if they have one ) against the gooberment . What I hate and resent is the fact that one minority group seems to feel they have more rights and that everybody should kiss their ass just because they are in that group . Those people play the race card way too much to try to get their way .

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      • kevin May 2, 2012, 8:08 am

        i hope to god your right but that being said as the old saying goes i would rather have something and NOT need it rather than need it and NOT HAVE IT

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        • T.R. May 2, 2012, 1:00 pm

          Amen

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  • T.R. May 2, 2012, 12:51 am

    I hope people get it that its important for law abiding people to own and shoot firearms , otherwise only the criminals and the state will have them ………. the state also falls into the criminal category . I did read another study that told that 1st time gun sales are up for women in the 30-50 age group , and women in general . One of the problems the NRA has is PR , you get asswipe wackos like Ted dooshbag Nugent shooting their mouth off all the time as well as other freaks , only hurts the NRAs credibility . They need to get more endorsements from upstanding suit type people , otherwise the general public view of the average NRA member being nothing more than a bunch of toothless semi educated rednecks is going to be bad for both the NRA and the 2nd amendment in the long run .

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  • Winston Smith May 2, 2012, 2:32 am

    I was never one to own guns until last year. I never felt it was really necessary to have them in my life. Then I started to think about it and decided that I needed to get one now before I couldn’t. I know several people within my sphere of influence who have recently become first time gun owners for this same reason. The world is becoming less and less stable and it may become necessary to protect oneself within the next few years. I don’t have huge stores of ammo but that is largely due to economics and a need for safe storage space rather than a lack of desire. Right now I would rather put away food and water production than more guns because I have limited finances and ALL scenarios require food while only a few require guns. Still, I have my shopping list ready for when I have the spare money and my other preps are a little further along.

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    • T.R. May 2, 2012, 1:11 pm

      Buy a Mosin-Nagant , right now you can get one for about $110 or less with the bayonet , sling , cleaning kit and pouch included as a package . Dont let the price fool you , they are very good , solid rifles . Shoots a beast of a round , and will reach out very well . Russian snipers killed A LOT of germans with the Mosin . Good luck to you , and everyone here understands about trying to make the best with limited funds .

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      • Winston Smith May 2, 2012, 2:55 pm

        The Mosin is on my shopping list, but right now I don’t have that kind of money to spend on a gun when I have guns already. Yes, I really am poor enough that $110 is too dear to spend-especially when I need to fix other things in my life that cost around the same amount of money and are more immediate needs.

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        • T.R. May 2, 2012, 3:00 pm

          Priorities my friend , I can relate .

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  • john May 2, 2012, 3:24 am

    Supposedly 43% of house holds own a gun, more in some states, less in others. It probably breaks down along party Red/Blue lines too. The states most likely to fail from a budget crisis are almost all blue ones with very restrictive gun controls and high taxes. Examples would be CA and NY. Opposites would be TX, GA, NH, and even liberal VT.

    In GA we probably even have more utility trailers registered in the state then they have CCW permits in CA. I think at last count GA’s CCW permits was about 300,000 in 2008. When I applied for my CCW I was the only white guy, there was a white woman and a Hispanic woman, and all the rest were blacks. So, 95% of the blacks might vote Obama, they surely do not follow Obama and the Democrat line when it comes to guns in this state. Why they keep electing anti-gun reps is beyond me. If the NRA wanted a new market, then they should target poor black neighborhoods in red leaning states.

    > zimmerman martin thing that all of this WILL lead to civil war

    Nah, most blacks are just like most whites, 75% of them are law abiding Christians, that just want to be left alone, and are not going to be going out to kill people for sport when the economy collapses. Plus, most of the crime in a heavy minority state such as GA are black on black crimes. Very little of it is black on white. Blacks are 12-13% of the population. The incarceration rate follows the abortion rate (3x that of whites). Same with the Hispanics (2x abortion rate – 2x incarceration rate) So, even though they account for 40% of the inmates, 90% of the time a black is killed it is by a black. Even if 25% of the black population went rogue including the infants, in reality that is less then 10 million people, we probably have 20 million illegals in the country.

    So, what I would watch out for are the illegal aliens, mostly Mexican, that hate both whites and blacks, and have no allegiance to the USA. Same with the Muslims. If they start stuff can you call it a civil war when they are not legally part of society? Especially roving gangs such as MS-13? Or lone Yemen terror cells that crossed the border.? Would you call it an invasion instead?

    If society breaks down it will be white on white and black on black as people commit crimes in their own neighborhoods. The reality is most of the fanatics and anarchists are white, just like the five guys just convicted today of trying to blow up the bridge. The blacks you see at OWS are mostly stooges for show, the reality is the union tries to keep out blacks from good paying union jobs.

    imho, The perception and fear of race wars is nothing more then divide and conquer while we lose sight of the real enemy, Satan, while his Kenite child, Obama, does his father’s dirty work.

    imho, If a civil war happens it will be over taxes, the deficit, or abortion. I don’t think a civil ware will be race based unless it is Mexicans or Muslims (Gal 4).

    > the NRA being under political pressure

    Don’t believe it. They were under so much pressure they accepted $40,000 in StimUwaste funds to clear brush to shoot more birds? Award Number 20181-09-R-G204, check it out in recovery.gov. I keep hoping my hounding people about one of the biggest lobby groups getting $40k will force them to give it back and not spend it.

    So, what this means for me is it changes nothing as a prepper. I don’t expect to have to kill my Christian neighbors that love Jesus and own their own homes, white, black, Mexican, or Asian. I expect having to defend against gangs such as MS-13 that have nothing and that respect nothing, along with druggies and paroled criminals especially sex offenders.

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    • T.R. May 2, 2012, 1:40 pm

      In AZ , we put constitutional carry into law , what that means is that any Adult of legal age to own a firearm who is not a felon , can carry a firearm openly or concealed without a license as a right . This law was in part due to the Mexican problem so law abiding citizens could protect themselves . Check your state to see if you have a local organisation that fights for citizen gun laws , this one is ours http://www.azcdl.org/ , The NRA is national , but many states have state level organizations .

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  • TiredOldGuy May 2, 2012, 8:02 am

    I would love to have similar guns laws over here in Australia. I’ve just obtained my Category A firearms licence, which only allows lever or bolt action rimfire rifles. It’s pretty much impossible (unless you’re a criminal) to get anything else.

    The funny thing is that the number of shooting crime where I live has climbed dramatically, and most of the criminals are using firearms that are illegal (with any licence). With that in mind, my wife is pushing for a .22mag lever action for the home. Any recomendations?

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    • Tim May 2, 2012, 8:09 am

      How about the bolt action Ruger Gunsite Scout in .308? Got a nice, strong Mauser claw-action, 10-round mags, strong iron sights, and the Aussie version is stainless steel w/18 inch barrel.

      Good, economic, all-around rifle.

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      • TiredOldGuy May 2, 2012, 8:16 am

        Sorry, that requires a Category B licence, which in the state of Queensland (which has had a anti-gun left wing government for the past 20+ years) is impossible – unless you’re a criminal who buys it in a neighbouring state. It’s a lovely gun. I’ve got a Ruger 77/22 in .22lr paid for and on the way.

        A year ago I probably wouldn’t have even thought about including a firearm to my stockpile, but the people here have really been helpful in opening my eyes. Thanks

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        • Tim May 2, 2012, 10:44 am

          Honestly, TOG, I’m frequently amazed to realize that Americans & Aussies/Canadians/Kiwis are cut from the same U.K. cloth.

          I know we Yanks are “the retarded cousins” in this family, but I can’t fathom how readily English-speaking people are to render themselves defenseless.
          And we so well-innoculated against real threats in this world that we simply refuse to provde for our own defense?

          Amazing.

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          • T.R. May 2, 2012, 1:47 pm

            I think its funny that every place the British ever colonized with few exceptions , couldn’t wait to get rid of them ………. that should tell you something also .

          • irishdutchuncle May 2, 2012, 6:26 pm

            remember the “sheep” from “Animal Farm”. (and the people who write their newspapers, and the people who teach in their schools)

            people here can’t understand that the “Brits” are not our best friends. (keep yer friends close, yer enemies closer…)

            dumping millions of starving Catholics on this country wasn’t the act of a “friend”. starving them in the first place was the act of monsters. food exports from Ireland continued throughout the “famine”.

          • T.R. May 2, 2012, 8:53 pm

            LOL I hear ya , If I was the president in 1940 , I would have told churchill that we haven’t forgotten 1812 and to learn to speak German . The limeys were more of a hindrance than a help in that war . Patton vs. Montgummy ? we had better leadership .

          • T.R. May 2, 2012, 9:07 pm

            irishduchuncle , British colonialism and Soviet military annexations have about the same batting average . In both cases people were glad to see them go .

        • Watchdog May 2, 2012, 10:13 pm

          Hi TOG,

          I thought that we had it real bad up here in the Great White North. We don’t have the blessing of the 2nd Ammendment that our Yankee cousins enjoy but at least when we get our firearm licence, we can buy most types of firearms.

          No ‘Black’ guns or handguns without further vetting/licensing requirements by the state. :-(

          I don’t know how difficult it would be for you to get a class of licence that would permit you to purchas a 12 gauge shotgun but that would be my first choice for home defence. Imho.

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          • Watchdog May 2, 2012, 10:47 pm

            Hi T.R.

            As a student of WWII history I can tell you that things worked out for the better the way they did for ALL of us..

            The Brits and Krauts were damned good soldiers and for your info the Yanks got their ass kicked in North Africa until Patton got on scene. Monty may have been overly cautious as a commander but he beat the crap out of Rommel. Patton was such a firey lose cannon that Ike had to put him in ‘charge’ of a phoney 1st Army Group in Dover on June 6,1944 and kept out of the D-Day invasion. However, he did shine as a commander in Sicily and later at the battle of the Bulge.

            Had the Krauts been allowed to win over ALL of Europe, Africa and Russia and had completely developed their atomic program (they were close in 1944) how long do you think it would be before that nutbar Hitler would have had nuclear ballistic missles on U-boat off the US coast? 1946? 1947?
            Remember, it was the Krauts who invented and used the first succesful ballistic missile in war. And they were ruthless in their use.

            How good is YOUR German?

          • T.R. May 2, 2012, 11:10 pm

            I speak german and Russian , although the German has fallen off for lack of use . We can also thank Hitler for all his blunders , like backstabbing the Russians . Can you imagine how grim it would have been with Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union remaining allies , then throw in Imperial Japan running amuck unchecked all over the Pacific ?

          • irishdutchuncle May 3, 2012, 10:37 am

            greetings Tim, T.R., and Watchdog.

            “containment of russia” was british policy before Marx was even born. it didn’t “need” to be US policy too.

            the “Brits” were not the first “Imperialists” but by the end of the 19th century, everyone (including US) needed to have an empire, in self defense against them. that set the stage for the first “World War”.

            because of the way Germany was treated then, after the first war, it made Hitler, and the second world war, un avoidable. lucky for the brits they “intercepted” the zimmerman telegram, otherwise the US might have stayed out of that war. (the Germans had fought them all to a stand-off) (many americans were opposed to fighting against Germany)

            the U-Boat was “invented” (here! by Irish national, John Holland) to counter the power of the british surface fleet. liquid fueled rockets were also invented here.

            Jack London mentioned the idea of an attack on Pearl Harbor early in the 20th century. (in his novel The Iron Heel)
            the British have been accused of helping the Japs plan an attack there, back in the ’20s.
            (there was a real affinity between them. and they both drive on the wrong side of the road…)

            my point in all this, is that our history in recent times, has been taught to us with a decidedly anglophile bias. i suppose the “power elite” prefer it that way. (and they “own” our media and public education) many people, in other places, have a totally different understanding.

    • KC May 3, 2012, 8:46 pm

      Tired;

      If they are available in OZ, the Winchester Model 9422 available in the following calibers: .22 Long Rifle, .22 WMR or the Winchester Model 9422 XTR in .17 rimfire which is a level action “high-end” .22 caliber rifle, which has recessed rails in the receiver to accommodate a rifle optic. A friend of mine introduced me to this and it’s a snap to shoot, easy to maintain and affordable to feed. All in all a good level action to own, if OZ has a caliber restriction (especially in Queensland). Of course, a Korean War Era, SMLE No4 in .303 British, manufactured at Lithgow, in NSW would be an absolute treat, however I don’t know Queensland Firearm Law. Especially since .303 ought to be more affordable than what we pay for it in North America. By the way have you considered Combat Archery as a distance fighting method yet?

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  • Spook45 May 2, 2012, 9:34 am

    This is why I hand load and keep a qty of componants on hand at all times. I also have bullet molds, formularies and specialty tools to be able to “make” my own ammo. IT takes a little time to compile, but its not rocket science and it is really not that hard to do. Everyone sholud have a realoading setup, some books and some componants so that you can continue to operate if your supply lines are cut. Dont just load, introduce it to every gun person you know and push them to set up as well. Match your calibers and weapons so that you can interchange parts, mags and ammo. IF you can recruit enough people, yu can basicly set up an entire network of likeminded folks with similer calibers and all the same dies and componatns so that in a pinch any one of you can knock on anyone elses door and have access to a loading bench and componants to make your own ammo. Develop a network and remeber that if you are readng this…….You ARE the resistance.

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    • T.R. May 2, 2012, 1:50 pm

      +10

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    • Lumberjok May 2, 2012, 5:32 pm

      Not to mention that if are patient and willing to experiment …you can turn a run of the mill gun into a tack driver.

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  • Tim May 2, 2012, 10:22 am

    I’m also a fan of ‘The Economist’, but how do they presume to know who is buying new firearms? I’m in gun shops a couple times/month and the biggest problem is that they’re chocked with newbies asking the usual new-guy questions.

    My personal behavior notwithstanding, I’d suspect most ‘new’ gun owners (women in particular) are less likely to advertise the fact that they’re now armed.

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    • T.R. May 2, 2012, 1:54 pm

      From what I have read this is true , women are buying the small easy to hide guns like the Glock 26 and so on , the Ruger LC9 is very popular . They just want to be safe with all the freaks running around ……………cant blame them .

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  • Templar May 2, 2012, 10:27 am

    Let us not forget firearms as barter items. If you buy a .38 revolver for $400 today, and it’s worth $500 in a year, you’ve made 25% interest per annum. Can’t do that at ANY bank. I prefer revolvers as tradable guns (simplicity, safety, reliability) even though I carry a Glock for a living. Even people with weak hands can load and fire a .22LR revolver.

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    • irishdutchuncle May 2, 2012, 5:58 pm

      i’d be awfully careful about who you’d barter firearms with.

      i imagine getting yourself shot with a .22 still stings like mad…
      if they didn’t care to arm themselves before the “troubles” arrived, they may have been part of the problem.

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      • Templar May 3, 2012, 1:08 pm

        Well said.

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  • riverrider May 2, 2012, 10:44 am

    i’m retired so i have time on my hands to hang around the gun shop. last week in just 30 minutes, a middle-aged white guy who never owned a gun before came in looking for a remington home defense shotgun and an elderly black couple came to buy a handgun for home defense and signed up for the ccw classes. every time i go, its the same. the ccw classes are filled weeks in advance especially the women only classes. momma is loading up to protect her cubs…….on the flip side, i’ve more than doubled my armory this year so the answer is….both. my state began the legislative season with sweeping new laws allowing or affirming gun rights. many others have done the same, but osama has a strict rule to his minions not to mention guncontrol until he is re-elected. there are hidden restrictions in the health care law as well. like was said, we as a country haven’t been this divided since 1859. history tells us that didn’t turn out so well.

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    • T.R. May 3, 2012, 5:02 pm

      Yep , the wrong side won ;) hows it workin for them now lol

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      • Watchdog May 4, 2012, 12:33 am

        I think that they’re whistling Dixie. Lol.

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        • riverrider May 4, 2012, 10:51 am

          i bet ol’ abe didn’t think it’d turn out this way.

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    • bill May 8, 2012, 7:21 pm

      First, Osama is dead… thanks to Obama.I’m sure that was just a typo. The gun industry loves Obama. Gun sales up 60% since he took office..what a slick marketing plan on the part of the Gun MFGs

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  • Jason May 2, 2012, 11:49 am

    Ranger,

    I find it very interesting & a pretty telling piece of information that the greater number of gun purchases are coming from existing gun owners. You would think that if a revolution of sorts was on the horizon due to a collapsed economy, domestic terrorism etc, that first time gun purchases would be far the majority.

    This is a very intriguing point of information & honestly makes me wonder why it is this way – is the vast majority of the non gun owner population under some kind of an illusion that all is well & on the other side of the coin, gun owners fear that their right to bear arms is in serious jeopardy?

    I own a half dozen guns because I like them & I do hunt (primarily with a shotgun). I plan to buy more because of that fondness and enjoy having that right of gun ownership. However, I find it disturbing that the emerging trend you pointed out seems to go towards fueling the elimination of our right to bear arms due to the current complacency of the majority.

    Further, a guy like Michael Moore completely misrepresented & undermined the value gun ownership by skewing those rare occurrences of foul play as the reasoning behind the insanity of the acts by those perpetrators. He points out how perfect an area of Canada is without guns while comparing it to Detroit, less than 20 miles from his sample area, is a war zone.

    This is a very serious issue because if that right can get eliminated, any other of our rights can be eliminated far easier.

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    • Tim May 2, 2012, 12:16 pm

      “…if that right can get eliminated, any other of our rights can be eliminated far easier…”

      Hence all the gun buying by those who understand.

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    • T.R. May 2, 2012, 1:57 pm

      When I think of the term domestic terrorism , I think of ethnic gangs and the government themselves .

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      • T.R. May 2, 2012, 2:02 pm

        Also , the loss of rights is already underway , the Patriot act and legislation like it that have PASSED , have no place in a free society , we the people do nothing , it is clearly unconstitutional , and the supreme court does nothing . No due proses of law = Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia . It IS happening here .

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    • Mechanic43 May 2, 2012, 4:32 pm

      Excellent point Jason. Let me add this…guns represent a last line of deffence(after all other efforts have failed), whether in your home against an invader or on a bigger scale(read- tyranical leader gone to far). Even the biggest pacifist would call on Sam Colt to keep his family safe if he had to. I would also suggest that there alot of first time buyers on the used market, lets face it, even newbies are affraid of big brother. It’s one thing for politicians to come up with laws, it’s another story for the guy’s that have to enforce them.

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  • nwprepper May 2, 2012, 12:17 pm

    This is one reason I believe its our responsibility to take opportunities to expose non-firearms users to shooting. It promotes greater gun safety as more people at least know the basics of safety and handling firearms. Ideally, it also encourages others to become gun owners. I have found many “unlikely” suspects to be open to trying it out and they universally have enjoyed it.

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  • Taylor Ruble May 2, 2012, 12:50 pm

    Commenting from the perspective of someone who buys and resells ammo, I can verify that ammo is much harder to get a hold now than it use to be. There also seems to be more difficulty in getting certain other items that make up a persons survival gear. For example, Blackhawk! has become increasingly slower as demand for their products has increased. I do not see the trend changing anytime soon.

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    • T.R. May 2, 2012, 2:13 pm

      The problem I have with Blackhawk is they are WAY over priced . You are paying more for the name than anything else because its trendy . There is gear just as good out there at half the cost for paying for a label . You gotta admit that is a lot of what you are paying for ………….they charge it because people are dumb enough to pay for it . If people stopped paying , they would drop their price to what is reasonable ………. they would still make money .

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      • T.R. May 2, 2012, 2:19 pm

        Blackhawk sunglass lanyard $50 , no name sunglass lanyard $2.50 . Same material , same quality . ……………..Im being a smart ass but you get the picture .

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      • Mike May 2, 2012, 10:41 pm

        Re: Blackhawk–their recoil reducing stocks for pump shotguns or bolt action rifles are very good though.

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        • T.R. May 2, 2012, 11:15 pm

          Their products are very good ……………..just overpriced .

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  • David May 2, 2012, 2:14 pm

    I have seen posts on other boards where parents (and *many* grandfathers) are buying guns and ammo for their children/grandchildren. This is multi-generational prepping. These folks have the time, knowledge and funds to buy when they see a good deal and/or in bulk, with plans to gift/will these items to family members.

    So, to some unknown extent, yes the same gun owners are buying more but the number of gun owners is also increasing.

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    • Brad May 2, 2012, 4:32 pm

      My boys 8th b-day is today. My pops bought him a Savage .22 . I don’t know who will be more excited…him or me. He’s got several BB guns, but now he’s stepping up into the real world. You’re right David, some of these guns are being “straw bought” and handed down to newbies, Thank God for the newbies…..the will stand with us when/if the time comes.

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  • Food for Hunters May 2, 2012, 2:20 pm

    Great post! My boyfriend works in the gun industry. There are a few newcomers who come in to buy, but mostly, gun owners seem to be stocking up for the next apocalypse or something. The price of ammo has gotten very expensive. Get it now while you still can.

    -Jen

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  • john May 2, 2012, 2:59 pm

    > Let us not forget firearms as barter items.

    Nope, I amoung others haven’t forgotten. Plus, make sure you buyat least 100 rounds for each of them.

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    • Templar May 2, 2012, 5:35 pm

      …..’zactly what I do…….put togethet a package of gun, 100 rounds ammo, and a mini-cleaning kit.

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  • Michael May 2, 2012, 5:27 pm

    Don’t forget that you have to factor in population growth of round about 13% to come up with a useful figure. # of guns per capita is a more useful figure.

    Interesting article.

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  • Jack Meoff May 2, 2012, 9:51 pm

    Long story short- No NRA, No legal gun ownership.

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  • T.R. May 3, 2012, 12:55 am

    Off topic , but does anybody have experience with the CFP 90 ?

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    • Ken May 19, 2012, 7:21 pm

      Yes, My sister and I own our own CFP-90′s in black and they are the largest packs for prepping you can get. I love mine. they are fully adjustable to any sized person and it is designed to withstand a lot of weight. I also bought the Army 4 part sleeping bag that fits perfectly in the lower sleeping bag compartment on the CFP-90. Don’t let any negative reviews about this one get to you. As with anything, occassionaly, you CAN have part malfunctions but otherwise, this is the best pack for preppers to bugout in. I can hold more like 7 days worth instead of 72 hours. Look around on the internet for better pricing. I got mine from my local surplus store so I could check all the zippers and buttons worked. Some ordered online but when it arrived, buttons were missing or zippers didn’t work. Mine was fully checked out by my store and found it was issued but never used. Here is the link to where I got mine. http://www.gr8gear.com

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  • Pam May 8, 2012, 1:56 am

    Well, I am here to tell ya that I am a new gun buyer. Sure, we live on a farm and always had shotguns and a deer rifle, but after what has been going on in this country, it seemed prudent to improve the “arsenal.” Both of the suggested reasons in this article were germane, ie: fear of future legal restrictions and concern about safety in a lawless situation. So, I got myself a little handgun to practice with and also to use to put down livestock if necessary. I took a class and got my concealed carry and then I was hooked! But something odd is going on and I wonder if anyone else is experiencing this. The first gun I bought, there was no problem with the “proceed” from the feds so that I could just walk out of the shop with it. However, every subsequent gun I try to buy from a store ends up with a “delay.” Eventually, I am cleared and permitted to buy the firearm, but I sure do not like all this rigamarole and I have to wonder if they aren’t just gearing up for something. Does anyone else have this experience? I have practically given up and vowed to buy from individuals or at gun shows from now on.

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    • T.R. May 9, 2012, 1:23 am

      Well not so far , Im going for my third store purchase so I’ll let you know if anything weird happens .

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  • Slappy May 13, 2012, 11:49 pm

    That was an interesting article, but it seemed very short and something of a hit piece. I go to gun shows and while there are a lot of old white guys, they are by no means the only people. I see tons of women and, at least in the major metro area I most recently visited, an overwhelming number of minorities from all walks of life. Also, the statistics are not entirely reliable.

    The author claims the NRA is weak, however I seem to remember they were consistently the most powerful lobbying organization in DC.

    The author claims NRA members are at odds with the NRA, supporting mandatory checks. Did I miss something? Because I thought those checks had been mandatory since, what, 1999 when I started undergoing them at shows?

    While the NRA show is, no doubt, big-can you really sum up the average gun owner from that show? It’s not exactly the best way to typify gun owners. Not all gun owners are in the NRA. I would assume most aren’t. Based on folks I’ve talked to, and no statistical or research-backed info, just a hunch, a lot of gun owners have a couple guns, probably a pistol and shotgun or rifle and a couple boxes of ammo and rarely shoot them.

    I want to see a cite on the claim that firearms make you statistically more likely to be injured. When I checked the statistics a few years back-I forget if it was DOJ, NRA, or More Guns, Less Crime, firearms were reportedly used more than a million times a year to prevent crimes (DOJ estimated the un-reported # was much higher), usually without being fired. At the same time, claims of children being killed by guns in massive #s were disproved and DOJ stats showed more kids drowned in 5 gallon buckets than were killed by firearms. I’ve been around firearms for much of my life, and I’ve never been injured through my own fault, or that of anyone else. Nor has anyone I know. My then-unarmed wife was held up at gunpoint by 3 crooks in a city park a few years back, however…

    I would guess most NRA members don’t bother to go to the show. (I’m a former member and it was never on my radar. I always thought the SHOT show was much more important.) Based on personal experience, the location of the show you go to can have a major impact on just who you see there. Just go to a rural or small town show and a show in a major metro area. They’re apples and oranges.

    The read I get from talking to dealers at gun shows right now is:
    1. EVERYONE is buying right now and available stock is in very short supply.
    2. Women are buying, too.
    3. Prices will only go up until we see who wins the election-if Barry wins again, they’ll go up even higher.
    4. More people than ever before are getting into Class III and folks seem to be realizing Class III is legal, affordable, and fun.

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