I can respect the whole vegan/vegetarian action some people adhere to, you know, it’s a free country – whateva! At least they’re practicing what they preach, supporting their cause, all that jazz. It’s more than a lot of people do. I can also respect the whole “green” survivalist movement; you know, peak oil, global pollution, warming, etc. – whateva! Those people often sympathize with the vegetarian movement as well. In the end we’re all on the same TEOTWAWKI side …. so long as you don’t try taking my last TEOTWAWKI Twinkie after the shit hits the fan.
All of that being said, WTSHTF vegetarians must drop their non-meat ways …. or die!
The anti-meat crowd can live their happy vegan ways prior to a doomsday scenario, but if/when such mayhem happens, the sooner they drop their vegan ways, the better off they’ll be. There will be a dietary adjustment period as their bodies have to adjust to bacon again, but it’s a must.
This is not to say I dislike PETA’s marketing strategies. In fact, I like them quite well.
No, what I’m saying is that even the ultimate TEOTWAWKI vegan warriors with grand organic gardens and radical food preservation techniques will need meat; unless they’re fully self-sufficient with their garden now, but even so, what are the odds their gardens will provide all their dietary needs after the shit goes down? Little to none. Plant lots of soybeans, vegan warriors. Got protein?
Squirrels, porcupines, groundhogs and whatever else will need to get harvested whenever the opportunity arrives. Grasshoppers, grub worms and …. just about any insect that isn’t furry should get tossed into an otherwise vegetable stew. Hit that herb garden to spice it up – yum!
To support my argument, let me provide select quotes from a recent NPR article discussing the pre-historic role meat played in our early ancestors’ diet:
Our earliest ancestors ate their food raw — fruit, leaves, maybe some nuts. When they ventured down onto land, they added things like underground tubers, roots and berries.
It wasn’t a very high-calorie diet, so to get the energy you needed, you had to eat a lot and have a big gut to digest it all. But having a big gut has its drawbacks. The brain was the poor stepsister who got the leftovers. Until, that is, we discovered meat.
So sometime in our evolutionary history we actually shared saliva with wild dogs and hyenas. That would have happened if, say, we were scavenging on the same carcass that hyenas were.
But dining with dogs was worth it. Meat is packed with lots of calories and fat. Our brain — which uses about 20 times as much energy as the equivalent amount of muscle — piped up and said, “Please, sir, I want some more.”
As we got more, our guts shrank because we didn’t need a giant vegetable processor any more. Our bodies could spend more energy on other things like building a bigger brain.
So there you have it. Got easy-to-digest caloric intake? Enjoy your turnip dinner now, vegan ninjas. Enjoy bacon WTSHTF.
- Ranger Man
BTW: If PETA tries a marketing campaign like this one after the shit goes down, cannibal freaks might actually walk away with the packaging ….
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as someone much smarter than i, has said: “vegetation is what food eats.”
Makes me wonder….
If eating meat changed our evolution, whats holding wolves, lions and such back?
Many of the healthiest and longest lived cultures known all ate meat.
With that being said, for some people a vegan/fruitarian diet is a good thing for a few months – especially if you have a chronic disease. The vegan diet is easier on the system and gives you a chance to clean house for a little while.
While I agree that highly evolved proteins are a good thing, I believe most people take that to the extreme, often having meat 3 or more times a day. It varies with the individual, blood type O for instance can thrive on meat – but for most type A & B people, meat intake should be limited to one small portion per day.
The healthiest that I mentioned above eat a poultry product about once per week and eat a vegan form of protein every day. The better you eat, the less you’ll have to eat. Your mileage may vary, but that’s my .02
Do you really believe your blood type determines what foods you should eat?? Is there no end to the crazy food bigots imagination?
Eat a varied diet, don’t limit what you eat (like eating meat once a week), and you will be eating a healthy diet. People who self-limit what they eat have the most need for supplemental vitamins and minerals and would be forced to give up their superstition based diet practices in a SHTF situation.
By the way a vegan diet does not “clean house” whatever the hell that means. And if you have a chronic disease the best possible advice is to do what your doctor tells you to not follow some quack’s advice.
I figured the mileage would vary a little bit, but not THAT much! This is like the difference between a Prius and a Panzer lol :-)
The funny thing about most of the people I’ve run into who claim to be Vegan is that they do not raise their own crops. Easy to be against meat when you can get your Greens at most Grocery stores in the U.S. But WTSHTF, those of us who hunt and trap and fish and raise critters will be much better off than some Vegan who has to wait all summer so He/She can eat their Organically Grown Wheaties.
I am a very strict vegan purely for a health condition. Do I miss meat, chicken & fish? What a joke – ABSOLUTELY! I firmly believe that the proteins found in meats are much higher concentrated than the veggie substitutes. Some day when my condition improves I’ll be back on the meat train.
One ancillary effect of the plant based diet I had experienced is higher energy, greater clearity of thought & weight loss. Still wonder if that is a worthwhile trade off :-)
I read an article about this recently in a popular self-sufficiency magazine. The basis of the article, written by a former vegetarian of some sort, was that if you’re doing it for a religious purpose, more power to you, but if you’re a vegan because you think the “meat is murder” then you’re a friggin’ dumbass.
Couldn’t agree more – even the Bible says eating meat is ok but heck, what does God know?
It always amuses me that meat eaters and non meat eaters feel the need to put down others for their beliefs. I am a vegan and yes I am one of those dummies that doesn’t eat meat for religious reasons and because I just don’t believe it is right. I know that wtshtf I most likely will have to hunt/fish to survive and support my children but that is not the case right now. There are probably alot of things that I will have to differently wtshtf –gas will become scarce/nonexistent so does that make all of you who drive everywhere now dumbasses?
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The funny thing about most of the people I’ve run into who claim to be Vegan is that they do not raise their own crops. Easy to be against meat when you can get your Greens at most Grocery stores in the U.S. But WTSHTF, those of us who hunt and trap and fish and raise critters will be much better off than some Vegan who has to wait all summer so He/She can eat their Organically Grown Wheaties.
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It is also very easy to eat meat when the average joe can drive his fat ass up to a Mickey D’s window or pick up his yummy pesticide ridden chops at the local WallyWorld while I am canning and dehydrating what I’ve grown in my garden.
I have more respect for the meat eating hunter than for the majority of people that never see what their food looks like and don’t even know what is in the “hamburgers” or “hotdogs” they enjoy so much. Got sodium nitrates and mechanically separated byproducts?
There are a lot of foods with protein besides meat and while I still have the luxury of making the choice whether or not to eat meat–I choose not to. It will also probably be a lot harder to find hot showers and soap after TSHTF so does that mean I should stop showering now in preparation for then? I’ll pass. I’ll continue to stock up on wheat, rice, oatmeal and peanut butter etc and if you guys want to stock up on squirrel be my guest.
A few of your readers implied that vegans have superstition based diets, well I happen to feel that eating meat because there is a man with a beard floating in the heavens saying its ok is kind of superstitious in a way too.
I enjoy reading your blog and find a lot of what you say informative but come on, why even write a post like this when the majority of your readers already eat meat–do you not want vegetarian and vegan readers?
“I have more respect for the meat eating hunter than for the majority of people that never see what their food looks like and don’t even know what is in the ‘hamburgers’ or ‘hotdogs’ they enjoy so much.”
I completely agree. In fact, nothing annoys me more than people that hate hunting, but find nothing wrong with picking up pre-packaged meat at the supermarket, completely disconnected from the source.
“Why even write a post like this when the majority of your readers already eat meat–do you not want vegetarian and vegan readers?”
I want all readers, and don’t mean to offend anyone. I respect vegetarians as I noted in the post, they practice what they preach. They embody the change they want to see in the world, which is far superior than just plain ole bitchin’ about things. My post was merely meant to convey the point that people will have to change their habits WTSHTF, nothing more. Perhaps my post was a little over the top in that regard, but it’s not inconsistent with many of my posts, which are written tongue-in-cheek.
Thanks for replying , I just wanted to say that I agree with most of what you wrote in the post and my problem was mostly with commenters not you Ranger Man. I got a kick out of the pics you posted and enjoy your tongue-in-cheek style very much, I guess I am just a bit touchy on the subject and tired of others forcing thier views on eating/not eating meat.
I hope to continue to be able to enjoy your blog until TSHTF :)
Yeah, I have a hard time determining the correct level of comment moderation. I want to allow people to speak their minds, but I also don’t want the comments section to turn into a verbal cage fight.
boy you dam vegan vegy people sure do put up a good argument but ill stick to chicken mcnuggets a fatboy stake(even if its soaked in harmones and biotics) il take a fat laiden turkey that was fed on its cusins ground beak rather then eat any healthy vegy diet i mean how dar these people claim animals have rights they act as if those dam cows and pigs have fellings our lord sais eat meat and if that man can inpregnate a women with his son with out ever even coming down to earth then he must be smarter then me so im stiking to squirl and pig
You said “It always amuses me that meat eaters and non meat eaters feel the need to put down others for their beliefs.” Then you went on to put down anyone who disagrees with you. Go figure.
You are wrong. This isn’t about putting down someone who chooses to be a vegan or a meat eater. It is about refuting the wild ass claims made by people who choose some fad diet. If you want to be a vegan then do it. Why would you feel the need to make up health benefits or presume to tell others what to eat. For a healthy adult a vegan diet is not particularly harmful (it will harm children and the unborn) and since you can buy the supplements your diet lacks then you can play with veganism if you like. But don’t try to claim it will extend your life or decrease diseases if everyone became a vegan.
i wonder in a survival situation/urban disaster..how much of these purists vegans would REALLY survive, probably NONE! i would never be a pure vegetarian, for me 80% plants 20% meat/seafood,Exercise and supplements! In all respect for those vegans they kinda need to get a life, our human ancestors were omnivores and the human brain evolved due to a rich “dha/omega 3″ seafood diet. Also men who don’t consume any animal proteins have lower Testosterone levels,moderation is the key of course. the Japanese who consume alot of seafood are some of the longest living people on the planet. You never know what life can throw at you,what situation you might be in and you’ll need to survive in the event of a disaster, you need flexibility and a balanced diet! those girls/guys/vegans,in all respect, need to be placed in the jungle/woodland areas for a couple of days, lets see how they’ll manage… if they think they’ll be able to run to the nearest convenient store in the jungle/desert to get some Tofu…they’ll get a reality check!
It was really inspiring I loved it, thanks a ton to bring me back and more closer to my real self and my family.