Do You Hope For The Apocalypse?

Note:  Ranger Man and I seem to be on the same wave length here.  I wrote the article below on Monday (for my Friday post) of the week he wrote his “Media Craze on Preppers” post.  I nearly pulled it, but then realized I take it a step further than he does.  You all know how I feel about the mainstream media by now, so I pull a few less punches than he does without – hopefully – ranting about it.

Anyway, consider this the right cross to go along with his jab and call it good.

Crazy Ol’ Jarhead Survivor shooting his .44

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I just finished reading Doomsday Has Its Day in the Sun.  It’s another article about preppers that focuses on – you guessed it – a reality show about survivalists called “Doomsday Bunkers.”

The author’s comments are derogatory and he’s quick to point out that all of the people featured in this show are heavy into firearms and self protection.  Here’s an excerpt:

 

…One notable exception was Kathy Harrison, a New England woman profiled on a recent “Preppers.”

“It’s easy to feel a little left out of the prepper community if you live in New England and if you’re not fairly right wing and conservative politically,” she said in the segment. “But I just don’t spend my time worrying about stockpiling guns and ammunition, because our security comes not from stockpiling weapons but from having a community that respects each other, supports each other, and we have each others’ backs.”

A noble sentiment. But the unmistakable impression left by these programs is that what these folks want most of all is not to protect their families — the standard explanation for why they’re doing what they’re doing — or even the dubious pleasure of being able to say to the rest of us, “See, I told you the world was going to end.” What they want is a license to open fire.

The number of bullets sprayed around in these shows, by adults and even their children, might give Rambo pause. Yet “Doomsday Preppers” and “Doomsday Bunkers” might still qualify as decent television if they were less credulous — if, for instance, they asked a few basic questions:

¶Won’t it be hard to find a plumber after civilization collapses? What will happen when that methane-harvesting septic system clogs?

¶Have the “Doomsday Bunker” diggers talked to the “Doomsday Prepper” people who think the Big Catastrophe will originate underground, via volcano or earthquake?

¶More seriously, what is the attraction of continuing to live in a world that forces people to cower in an underground box and spend all their time fending off those who want their freeze-dried apricots?

¶Even more seriously, what is the attraction of continuing to live in a world that will almost certainly not have television or the Internet, depriving doomsday types of the shows and Web sites that fuel their paranoia and sell products exploiting it?

“Doomsday Preppers” even offers the people it profiles advice on improving their preparations. (National Geographic, though, on a Facebook page, gives commenters a chance to mock the preppers with a photo caption contest. Under a picture of a man neck-deep in a hole in the ground, someone has written, “It looks like we’ll be alright as long as the end of the world doesn’t involve rain.”)

It’s a shame that these “reality TV” shows are seen as representing the majority of the population of preppers.  These days it’s bad enough if you tell people that you’re into prepping as they get a scared look in their eyes and try to back away.  I guess they’re afraid we’ll open fire on them for not agreeing with us or something.  The thing is if it’s not controversial or exciting enough the producers will make something up for the viewers because it’s all about the all mighty ratings!

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Turn That Crap Off!

As I’ve mentioned before this is exactly the reason I stopped watching TV years ago.  I think MTV had a program called “Real World” or something like that and it was a smash hit for reasons I could never fathom.  Shortly after that my TV went off for good.  These days I have the basic cable package and watch the news for 1/2 hour in the morning while I’m puttering around in the kitchen.  That’s about it.  And if the commercials get annoying enough I’ll shut it off then, too.  Do you have commercials where the guys YELL at you?  We have one here in Maine where these two nutjobs are literally yelling, “IF YOU CAN’T GET IT AT THE FURNITURE SUPERSTORE YOU CAN’T GET IT ANYWHERE!  THE FURNITURE SUPERSTORE!  THE FURNI..”  *click*  Yelling at the top their lungs!  That’s about all I can take of that garbage.

Sorry for the side rant there… it’s no wonder Americans are brainwashed these days.

Are You Hoping For The Apocalypse?

Anyway, the guy in the above article is obviously not on board with prepping because of what he sees on those programs.  I wonder if he’d be singing the same tune after a hurricane swept through or an earthquake knocked out power for two weeks in his area?  Maybe.  I have the feeling he’s the type who’d wind up at a shelter somewhere living off the good will of others until the The Government got everything put back in order.  Who needs to be self sufficient when we have Uncle Sugar looking out for us, right?

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I always read the comments to stories like that and it’s obvious who the preppers are, but one of the more interesting comments was, “What the article seems to miss is that these people aren’t AFRAID of an apocalypse, they are HOPING for one.”  There were other comments along these lines, but you get the picture.

SHTFBlog has been contacted numerous times to be a part of these types of films, but I always held off to see how they’d be portrayed.  Not that I don’t trust the media mind you…   Yeah right!

As a matter of fact look what landed in my email the other day:

I am producing a TV show for Discovery channel starring Ted Nugent and am looking for a survivalist expert in the Waco, Texas area. I liked your site but couldn’t tell if any of you are living in that area. If so, I would like to discuss the show with you further.

 

Sincerely,

Julie Pifher

Manager, Development & Intl Rights

MorningStar Entertainment

p. 818.559.7255

http://morningstarentertainment.com/

A show starring Ted Nugent and survivalist experts?  Hmm, I can see where that’s gonna go, but hey!  If you’re interested and live in the area go ahead and contact her.  And please please please let me know how the filming turns out.  (If you’re still alive afterwards.)  You never know with Ted Nugent.

Honestly, I think if this show ever airs I just might hope for the Apocalypse.

Ya know, if I thought there was a show that would represent the majority of preppers in a fair manner I might sign up for it, but knowing how the media works that will never happen.

How about you?  What do you think?

-Jarhead Survivor

85 comments… add one
  • ChaChaGirl March 23, 2012, 7:30 am

    I honestly believe the only reason that these shows are on tv is to discredit the prepping movement. They make them all look like nutbag psychos with guns. Everything is taken out of context and now people are going to start noticing that neighbor that buys 55 gallon water barrels and keeping an eye out for the amount of groceries going into that family of 4’s home.

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    • Ben Dover March 26, 2012, 12:52 am

      Dumbsday Preppers

      Only a fool would get on TV and advertise what you have.

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  • Presager Buddy March 23, 2012, 9:04 am

    One of the purposes of these programs is to make money for the producers and to do that they need some spice in the production. They will likely highlight the oddball aspects of prepping and emphasize the controversial subjects in order to get ratings. Don’t be fooled that they are doing it to promote preparedness or that they are doing it to encourage families to be ready for emergencies.

    I wouldn’t doubt that these programs are designed as propaganda specifically to create suspicion and fear of those who prepare for emergencies. We need to see these programs in the context of other things we see happening today.

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  • Carolyn March 23, 2012, 9:19 am

    I never used to be a “be wary of the government” kind of person, but I can’t help wondering if somewhere, someone in some level of government has decided that these kinds of shows are a good way to discourage people from being ready, self reliant and therefore not need their government as much. If they don’t need the government, then the government’s control is undermined, and they wouldn’t want that. I’m not saying that’s why these shows are multiplying, just kind of thinking in type here. I don’t watch those shows either, but I confess I did watch the first Nat Geo special. It was enough to get me thinking and considering. Up here in Canada our laws severely restrict us owning guns, but we’ve made great strides in being ready for a lot of things. We’ve learned a few valuable lessons from the folks on those shows, the most important is that of OPSEC. Really, we just tell those that look at us funny that just a few generations ago, folks made sure they would not go hungry or get caught unprepared, we’re just doing the same.
    We just don’t tell them about ALL of what we’re doing.
    I suppose if each episode gets one more person to open their eyes and stop being a sheeple, then they aren’t a waste. That’s all we can hope for really, because for every person who decides to start prepping, that’s one less person that will show up at our doors looking for a handout.

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  • J March 23, 2012, 9:20 am

    1, Great article;
    2. I think you meant either ‘less incredulous’, or ‘more credulous’ up there.
    3. You are right, the MSM is the propaganda arm of the American communist movement, beginning at the White House and DOJ and moving on down; the4ir goal is to make anyone who is not one of their own, look like a wacko and thus, someone it is OK to terminate because they pose threats to the Good People.
    4. that poor delusional woman saying we need a loving community, not weapons, for security will likely be sitting with three other flower-power occupy movement people singing kum-bah-yah around her burning home when the government troops or UN thugs or zombies or whatever decide that THEY want something which the Campfire Kidz possess and touch off a few rounds, firing for effect.

    Community LUUUV is great and gahroooovy,, but I’ll take mine with a side order of my 1911 and an AK, thank you.

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    • Jarhead Survivor March 23, 2012, 9:59 am

      Hey J – Not that I don’t make mistakes, but going back to your point #2 that was copied directly out of his article. The way he’s phrased it sounds odd doesn’t it?

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      • irishdutchuncle March 25, 2012, 7:38 am

        i wonder why mr. Genzlinger doesn’t just kill himself now…
        while “life” is still beautiful, so he doesn’t have to live in a world with bad plumbing and no internet.

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        • irishdutchuncle March 25, 2012, 8:19 am

          …or he can just wait for the horde of hoodie wearing hoodlums from the ‘hood to come get him. (it’s for “Justice”, you understand)

          for the rest of us, suicide is a serious sin.

          Martyrdom is something I may choose to accept for myself, but not something I can accept for anyone else. I have a duty to protect the innocent while I’m alive. watching ones children starve (or worse) is something they had to accept back in the “old country”. it isn’t something we have to accept here, where we have arms.

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  • Spook45 March 23, 2012, 9:51 am

    Foregoing the definition of appocolypse I must admit that at some levels I sometime do wish for the worst to coe and go. The idea that whatever the incidednt may be would take from or midst so many bad people and things that maybe our society was not yet ready for is a grand thought. IT woud suit me fine if all of the cell ph0nes, laptops etc would eat themselves and take us back to a time when we had to communicate with each other and have knwldege and ability to do things that are ow done by stupid computers lacking the judgement absent a binary code. I long for the days when a man with a wide range of skills and knowledge coud always market himself for work where as now so any things are done in less productive ways and as a nend to a means, not done as well as when there were craftsman. I prefer a time when everything was local instead of imported Chinese crap from WALMART. While some of these things are grand conveiniences, they are also tools of laziness and spies. I like cars made of METAL with V8s and luxery interiors I like MUSCLE CARS! I like self suficiancy and being FREE to live the WAY OUR COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED NOT THE WAY THE U.N. Says. (I still do for the most part but it gets more dangerous by the day) So yes, a mass CME, a catastrohic event that would sever us from China a poltical upheaval that would put us back on track as the late great USA Would be a welcome distraction and the familiarity of an old friend.

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  • Templar March 23, 2012, 9:53 am

    I don’t believe many of us want an apocalyptic end to life as we know it. What I think most hope for is a control.alt.delete on the insanity of life as it has become for sensible working people. When you see third-generation welfare families worshipping an out-of-control government, you might be forgiven for wishing something would happen to force everyone to show their survival mettle.

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    • riverrider March 24, 2012, 10:56 am

      well said.

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    • Ben Dover March 26, 2012, 12:58 am

      Hellary needs a larger RESET button. BTW, I suspect some may be fourth gen.

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  • Timmy March 23, 2012, 10:26 am

    Let’s start our own show and call it “Boomsday Moochers” It can begin by starting the day at 1:00 pm in line at the local welfare office. Once our subject has garnered his/her take of Obama money, the camera crews can follow him/her around and see how he/she makes use of my future grand children’s money…

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    • Leon March 23, 2012, 12:18 pm

      How do I apply?

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    • Sundance WMC March 23, 2012, 6:51 pm

      We have a winner…..

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  • sillyMe March 23, 2012, 11:21 am

    There are a lot of things that can go wrong and create a SHTF situation. No one wants these things to happen but we can all see that for political reasons and out of sheer stupidity our own government and other governments in the world are setting us up for a number of crises. There is one that should happen; stop propping up the economy with deficits and printing presses and let the damn thing fail where it’s gonna fail and let capitalism and human ingenuity take over so we can get past this. Does anyone really believe that doubling the debt and printing money 24/7 is the answer? This recession/depression will continue until the government stops propping it up with Keynesian economic policies. Let it collapse and let us pick up the pieces and be done with it. No one wants it but this kicking the can down the road is making everything worse and when it fianally does collapse (which it will) then everything will be far worse.

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    • Ben Dover March 26, 2012, 1:02 am

      Why are the banksters sacred? Why should they not bear the concequences for their mistakes? If we had let them fail in 2008, we would be almost four years into recovery. Iceland got it right.

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      • T.R. March 26, 2012, 7:52 pm

        Aye that , and no more bailouts for ANYBODY . Thats how free enterprise is supposed to work , when a company fails , its called a correction . Corrections need to be allowed to occur .GM , dodge , Harley davidson ………let them die if they cant get their head out and listen to the consumer or build a product worth a crap instead of the government propping them up . Dont get me started on the unions lol

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  • militiaman659 March 23, 2012, 11:57 am

    The tv (program) is the mainstream propaganda media’s lame attempt at trying to derail those of us who are trying to survive the comming torrent of problems they did the same type of thing in the nineties with the militia movement. this was done to stop credible information from being found and used by the public to protect itself from big corperate government.Personally I think the first wave of disaster will be economic collapse around the globe followed by the usual starvation,rioting,communications breakdown and plague but this will not be the end of the EARTH,mearly the end of theWORLD as we know it AND THIS WILL TAKE SEVERAL YEARS

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  • Leon March 23, 2012, 12:17 pm

    I have also been approached by some of these shows (Everybody who has a survival/prepper website has, I think).
    Remember: Reality TV is all about producing a cheap, low budget show that exploits somebody. Think about it: There are no paid actors, no script writers, no rehearsal time. The producers don’t have to worry about ethical reporting. Participants sign a waiver BEFORE filming allowing the show to do what it wants. They look for someone who wants their 15 minutes of fame, and that’s about what they’ll get on the show.
    Right now, preppers are a fad. The reality shows will move on to something else as soon as the newness wears off.
    Or the Sewage really will hit the air blades, and we will become known as visionaries.

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  • Jamie March 23, 2012, 12:34 pm

    All the preppers I know practically beg for others to get “Prepared” and the ones that I see wanting a Collapse is so we can get it over with. Instead of this death by a Thousand cuts.
    I think this writer just a reflection of the Denial that people are in right now. He must villify preppers in order to give himself an excuse not to do the rational thing and be ready. In NYC they have had a major terror attack, snowpocolypse, snowmeggedon, and a hurricane hit. If that won’t give you an idea about having some basics stored… I don’t know what it would take to convince you!

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    • Ben Dover March 26, 2012, 1:05 am

      I have heard that if the pumps stop the NYC subway will fill with water in 36 hours.

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  • Jim March 23, 2012, 2:02 pm

    I have another radio rule –

    If they repeat a phone number three times in succession, I change the channel and send an email to the show telling them why.

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  • T.R. March 23, 2012, 4:13 pm

    Anybody that would actually want that needs psychological help , like serial killers , rapists and those that like war . Most of the people that like war , like it because they have never been in one , those that have and like it need to be locked up . Prepping is a choice . How much you prep , and how much you spend on your gear is your choice , dont try to justify it by wanting worldwide misery on everybody . One avenue we preppers never want to face or truly acknowledge is the simple fact that we could be wrong . Like the 1950’s cold war bomb shelters that were never used . Things are going to change , some for the better , some not . This is something that has been going on with every generation . Prepping to me is a reasonable safe guard , but I dont want my neighbor or the US to be in the same situation as Somalia just because I put effort and money into preps , shit ……. I hope I never need them .

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    • AJ March 25, 2012, 9:27 pm

      Thanks TR, I’m the same way, I prepare by working my way up to self sufficiency. This way, not only am I prepared for SHTF, but I keep my bills down even if it doesn’t! I hope it never happens, I hope I’m wrong in thinking the economy will collapse in the next decade. The way I see it, no matter what, living independently is the only way to really LIVE!

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    • Ben Dover March 26, 2012, 1:09 am

      Ditto. I would LOVE to be wrong here. My wife is not totally on board sometimes as money is sometimes tight, but deep inside, she understands.

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  • lateToTheParty March 23, 2012, 4:14 pm

    I do agree there are too many sheeple and they shock me. I mean look at the CDC’s public service works to get people to do some basic prepping, watching all the emergency events that the MSM covers pointing out the ‘poor suckers’ waiting for government help, heck even the dreaded HS has been telling people to have emergency equipment and plans and we’re just whistling past the graveyard (Mr. and Ms. Average.)

    I want to rail at the sheeple 24/7 “Even leprous Uncle Sam says ‘be prepared!'” If not for yourself, then your children.

    I have a question for y’all: I’ve ready some Joe Nobody and had basic training while growing up (woods and just basic first aid courses), what references/resources do you recommend for those bugging in in the suburbs? Of course I want out of the city, but convincing the wife …. I’ve also read some Cody Lundin along with the Joe Nobody, and those were both good starts but is there someone teaching, blogging etc. about dealing with SHTF in the suburbs? {And note, I didn’t just read them, I’m actively doing some, more as funds come in.)

    I did get a laugh at myself while reading the materials: a lot of the hiding in plain site, evasion and deterrence info I already knew or had thought of, it just seemed like common sense to me – think about how other people will think, and act according to that. Yeah, I won’t fool or deter the highly trained, but the largest portion of people I can guess their overall behavior.

    I’d really like to counter these “laugh at the preppers” shows with simple good advice and knowledge of how prepping is good, getting over wound about it bad. Kind of the ‘Boomsday Moochers’ but with the mentality of “prepping for emergencies only makes sense, if you go further, fine but at least do the basics ..” Or maybe “A day in the life of a sheeple..” :)

    — Thanks for the site and the gentle and wise moderation; for the freedom to discuss things in an adult fashion. We need to talk about this stuff and in intelligent polite ways. Thanks for your hard work!

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    • lateToTheParty March 23, 2012, 4:21 pm

      Whoops, forgot to reply to your question: NO! I don’t want it to come. I’d love it if I was so very very wrong about what scares me. But I’ve seen what happens when people get into bad situations or just in too large a physical group – the IQ really does go down per person added after a certain point. It’s almost like radioactivity: a few atom as are fine, it’s when you get too many in one place that you have to watch for fission.

      People are great! People are horrible! Sometimes these are the very same people. My job as a person is to try and help my neighbor, my family, my church, my country. If I can do that by having extra beans for my neighbor when a tornado takes his home, then I’ve done my job.

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    • KenBob March 23, 2012, 7:06 pm

      Yeah…if you had the patience to read Joe Nobody’s crappy book (and yes I bought the damn thing, but should have spent the money on some more ammo, but I can still use it for kindling!) then IMHO…keep searching the internet and reading blogs. I should have known that anybody that would not put their name on a book was full of shit and knew it was a piece of shit. I think is the pen name form Dick Cheney…keep the faith brother, your on the right path.

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    • HQ5thMar March 24, 2012, 7:11 am

      http://shtfschool.com/
      I have some found some good stuff on this site for urban type survival for SHTF.

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      • lateToTheParty March 26, 2012, 12:00 am

        Thanks! A few of the links here at shtfblog are good for it, a few have kinda.. well gone over the bend. :)

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    • Ben Dover March 26, 2012, 1:15 am

      How did USA get to the point where being helpless is a GOOD thing?

      Having extra food at home really helps if money is tight. Who wants to tell their kids they can’t hava a candy bar or their favorite food until payday?

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  • PreppinginSC March 23, 2012, 5:39 pm

    I,m not wishing for Doomsday. Hope it never comes. Worst case, if it does not, I have extra food to eat and water to drink and some cool toys to go out in the woods and play with. Wonder what all of the 2012’rs will do with there preps if Dec. 22 comes as all the other days have. Not against them by any means, it’s just not the main reason that I prep. Wish all the preppers the best and hope we live to talk about this for a long time:)

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    • T.R. March 23, 2012, 8:00 pm

      Whats going to happen in 2012 ? same thing as Y2K .

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      • Ben Dover March 26, 2012, 1:21 am

        Some say the Mayam calander predicts the end of the world, but it only predicts the end of an era, which could mean a lot of things. Maybe they got tired of making stone tablets and just stopped.

        If they were so smart, why are the all so dead?

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      • T.R. March 26, 2012, 2:08 am

        Aye that , why should we listen to a bunch of blood drinkers . The spanish had no trouble at all finding allies in tribes that didnt like them .

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    • riverrider March 24, 2012, 11:03 am

      there will be a lot of preps for sale, cheap!!

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  • Djinnter March 23, 2012, 6:42 pm

    I am not hoping for a Doomsday event. But it is hard not to see it when it is staring you in the face. Geitner talking about scary levels of government debt. At what point does the debtor throw in the towel?Reminds me of a game I used to play on the computer. At a certain level of going in the red (like 2 million) the counter would flip and put you in the black. Perhaps this is what they are trying to do with the debt. Greece was merely the exposition of this whole mess. The denouement is what I truly fear.

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    • T.R. March 23, 2012, 8:16 pm

      What usually happens in a world wide collaps is that nations go back to a degree of isolationism , and strong nationalism rises in a lot of countries . The pain can be severe at first , but countries with natural resources , a powerful military , and an educated population turn things around fairly quickly within their own borders . Globalism , like Communism is doomed for failure because it depends on other nations to prop it up . You can only build a house of cards so high before the slightest breeze makes it tumble down . Third world nations are third world because of the population that lives in those nations . They dont care or are not willing to do what it takes for betterment , and trying to prop them up is foolish as they are almost not even responsibly capable of self rule .

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    • lateToTheParty March 23, 2012, 10:03 pm

      I really got into Simcity 2k for a while and over and over the game kept trying to teach me – getting into debt (especially as a city) was the beginning of the end, I never played a single game where going into debt to build didn’t wind up ending in a city in financial ruins.

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      • T.R. March 24, 2012, 1:49 pm

        I played the roman empire city version of sim city , same thing , once you get into the red its extremely hard to get back into the black .

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  • KC March 23, 2012, 7:44 pm

    I used to think that becoming more self-sufficient, going ‘organic’ back to the land all the while clamoring my ‘elected-officials’ for less involvement in my personal affairs, would be infectious and my peers would naturally follow suit, with their own preparations. Boy was I wrong, other than gaining customers for the products I produce, only my next door-neighbor was inspired to expand his operation and then only modestly. The remainder of my neighbors are all too content to ‘suck the teat of the gov-sugar tit’ till the joker finally runs dry. Don’t know about everyone here, but in the southwest, it’s beginning to look just like “Atlas Shrugged” where people are getting really fed up with the unemployment situation, the debt crisis, border violence and crumbling infrastructure. I still think that Congressman Ron Paul, is playing the part of John Galt, while Hermann Cain was Hank Reardon and Doctor Suzanna Hupp is Dagny Taggart. However, everybody outside libertarian circles can’t stand the book. Why keep going, some of my grasshopper associates ask? Because insurance is like that, you don’t buy it because it’s cool, hip or fresh, you buy insurance so in the event you need it, its there doing its job, instead of relying on the so-called charity of others, who in the event, life goes south, might not be so disinclined to assist.

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  • Michael March 23, 2012, 9:02 pm

    Hmm.. I’m trying to figure out a way to make 220 servings of old fashioned rolled oats, 5 pounds of peanut butter, two cases of TP, and a bunch of spare parts for my bicycle glamorous, dramatic or exciting. I just can’t see someone making a TV show about my version of prepping. ;->

    I remember when The Real World came to Seattle. Their “house” was really a sound stage and it got egged, spray painted or hit with a fire extinguisher near every day. When the cast members would go out to bars and nightclubs the bar tenders would ask for a show of hands to see if the real world cast should stay or get kicked out. Mostly they got kicked out.

    No, I’m not hoping for the apocalypse and I’m hoping that by prepping and talking to people about “stuff” we can prevent a lot of bad stuff from happening and limit the damage from the bad stuff that does happen.

    I haven’t had a TV in years and don’t miss it. There’s a reason why they call it the idiot box.

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    • lateToTheParty March 23, 2012, 9:48 pm

      Wait! In Arkansas you’ve got oats, pb, tp and a bike. Add a midget, a few mimes and you’ve got a real party!

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      • T.R. March 24, 2012, 11:42 pm

        Midgets in cowboy hats riding ostriches .

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  • Craig Cavanaugh March 23, 2012, 9:12 pm

    Yeah, Julie has been in contact with me several times as well. I don’t respond. I know what these stupid TV shows aim to do, which is portray us as nutjobs.

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  • Juliette of OHio March 23, 2012, 9:43 pm

    No, I’m not wanting the end of the world. I have too many clueless children and can’t take care of all of them. We have one son-in-law and one son who are paying attention and have decided we’re not totally nuts. We don’t even talk about it in public anymore. (Public means anyone else beside ourselves.) I don’t want drones circling the house nor do we want to attract the attention of TPTB. We’re doing nothing wrong, but with our current government, showing the slightest hint of independence can put you on a list.

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    • Armed and Democrat! March 24, 2012, 6:31 am

      Drones…really? You think you are that important? Do you actually think the air force is going to waste money sending drones to circle you trailer? LOL.

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      • riverrider March 24, 2012, 11:14 am

        air force? heck the local police have them now, with bigger ones coming asa the faa puts the “rules” in play. even the local building inspector wants one to hunt for all those terrorist backyard pools. apparently they like to get a good tan before they jihad, gotta look good for those 72 virgins.. and the ag guy wants one to watch for terrorist gardens and, heaven forbid, those dangerous chicken cells. air force indeed.

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        • Juliette of OHio March 26, 2012, 1:41 pm

          Thanks, Riverrider! What is it with democrats that any thing said with which they don’t agree is met with violent and demonizing comments??? I agree, that if any event occurs that overwhelms the government, it will look for the “terrorist gardens” (and gardeners) first. I can’t even buy nitrogen for our one acre plot any longer. It’s illegal to sell, and the proprietor has to note your name and ID. No, I’m not wanting it for explosive purposes, I just want my beans and corn to do better. The government is already clamping down, so shut up about what you’re doing. We’ve talked to friends and neighbors for years, most of whom think we’re nuts, or that what we’re doing is just “too much work”, or their knees hurt or whatever. However, after TSHTF, guess who will show up at your door wanting help? Also, Napolitano has already singled out preppers for further watch, both by the government and the citizens. I would never paint a target on our backs by appearing on one of those shows.

          For the person asking about sheltering in place in the suburbs, I’m currently reading “Lights Out” by David Crawford the plot of which seems to be about making this choice. The book is written about sheltering in Texas, so you’ll have to make climate adjustments. So far, it’s been wildly improbable, but with a few good suggestions. The main characters are apparently opting for staying in their suburb (I’m only about a quarter of the way through it) and are trying to make decisions about the process of survival. It’s realistic in that most people are really this clueless, although not usually this wealthy or blessed by so much good luck. Definitely read “One Second After” by William R Forstchen and the books written by James H. Kunstler. Good Luck!

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          • 82nd Ted March 26, 2012, 9:29 pm

            Yeah, Juliet of OH, I wouldn’t pay attention to anything that A and D (Asinine and Dickless) has to say. I think he’s angry after his boyfriend left him so he’s lonely and is looking for attention.

      • lateToTheParty March 26, 2012, 12:09 am

        Check the new FAA rules on any government body getting rights to run one. Air Force may have best ones but depending on how long before the full SHTF we may be seeing accidents and mid-air collisions from stupid local authorities fighting over air ‘spy’ space. I’m guessing that civilian ownership of radio operated aircraft will be legislated away, can’t have the enemy have devices of no destruction that can interfere with official business.

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  • TJ Jackson March 23, 2012, 10:19 pm

    None of us are “hoping” for the collapse of western civilization. We are preparing for what we feel will happen. Very hard times are inevitable. The only questions at this point are…How soon will it occur…How quickly will it take hold…How deep/bad will it be and…How long will it last. I believe that it will be very bad and I do not wish on anyone what is going to be our fate. We are not evil because we see problems in the future and we are preparing for those problems. Just the opposite, if the history books are written by the winners then we will afford ourselves the accolades that we so richly deserve. The future belongs to the prepared and we are the prepared. As far as appearing on a television show and telling the world what we have and where we live, I find that to be an insane, narcissistic and self destructive effort. One to be avoided at all cost.

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  • wilson March 24, 2012, 2:07 am

    RELAX. Enjoy the show.

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  • Armed and Democrat! March 24, 2012, 6:24 am

    Holy crap. Are you all that stupid that you still can not see that it is corporate greed and unbridled un regulated capitalism that is pulling our way of life in to the toilet?

    If you really want a return to a simple (read LESS CORPORATE ) life, don’t whine and moan and resolve yourself to waiting for the end. For fuck’s sake do what GOOD Americans have always done, stand up for what’s right and TAKE BACK YOUR COUNTRY from the greedy CORPORTISTS that have lobbyed their way in to YOUR government. A government that seeks nothing more than to protect, educate, and orginize ALL it’s citizens….this means you! BTW you benefit from it countless ways every day yet you deny it’s usefulness in fits of uneducated rage.

    Prepare all you want, I do. I live in So. CA and have always been ready for earthquakes and even a nuke event from our local reactor. I’ve lived through TWO riots….have you? No need for BOB’s then….hmmm.

    Prepare, but prepare to REPAIR! The only reason you want to see the apocalypse is because of your own fear and insecurity. Is your warped need to be “right” and tell the world “told ya so” a wholly American phenomenon, left over from hundreds of years of ingrained manifest destiny? Maybe… I don’t know, but I do have a question for you all. Why are so many American’s so f’ing selfish, that the first thing that comes to their mind is killing every living thing with in sight at the first hint of trouble?? Are you that weak? Watched that many zombie movies(you know they’re not real…right?), or as I suspect just flat out scared and selfish.

    Moronic.

    Look at how the people of Japan handled a disaster most here have never even contemplated. They immediately went to work HELPING neighbors and strangers. No hoarding, no shooting, no barb’d wire fortresses. They had prepared as a COMMUNITY, and because they did, they stayed together as a COMMUNITY helping any and all…as evolved HUMANS should.

    Prepare, yes. Do as you feel is right for you and yours, but I would urge you all to prepare to live after a diaster, the way you do every non catastrophic day of your life…with compassion to others and a thought of rebuilding the society you enjoy this very moment. You know, the one with in-door plumbing, elect. lights, a job to go to, you actually love, free time to spend with your family in a safe government park your hard earned dollars paid for. All things we enjoy and WORK at preserving every day when we choose not to give up on OUR society.

    Do you actually WANT to live like dogs in a post apocalyptic hell that for your pure selfishness you fostered and encouraged??

    Go ahead, survive the “disaster”, then WORK toward never letting it happen again. Better yet, spend the time energy and money you do on prepping, towards preventing the apocalypse in the first place.

    You have the power. More than you think.

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    • Timmy March 24, 2012, 9:30 am

      Yes, history is rife with corporations trampling peoples rights, enslaving them, sending them to gulags, corralling masses into “barb’d wire fortresses” and taxing and confiscating the populace into serfdom. God damned corporations!…no wait…my bad! Only governments do that.

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    • riverrider March 24, 2012, 11:16 am

      japan doesn’t have an entitlement/entitled population.

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    • 82nd Ted March 24, 2012, 12:11 pm

      Who’s ranting now?! Preppers are not JUST preparing for a disaster (notice how I didn’t say an apocalypse) with just storing foods and ammo. Many are also lerarning new skills and brushing up on forgotten ones. You come in here with garbage spewing out of your mouth and uninformed opinions that us preppers are selfish, shortsighted, scared, and “moronic”. What are you baseing your opinions on? The crap that’s showing on TV? Who’s the moron now? So you lived through 2 riots? Cowering under your bed in your suburban home is not really “living through 2 riots”. I’ve lived through a war and two fire fights . Want to compare notes? Talk your trash elsewhere. We’re here to pick practical tips from one another so we can be better prepared for any disasters (notice how I didn’t say apocalyse, again) so we can help feed some of the “Armed and Democrats” and Ignorant.

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      • Ben Dover March 26, 2012, 1:36 am

        Douchebags like AaD will wish they had one of our evil guns if the riots actually come to their block.

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    • T.R. March 24, 2012, 1:51 pm

      vote libertarian

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    • Waterboy March 24, 2012, 4:35 pm

      I’m guessing that your version of “living through two riots” consisted of watching them on TV. When the black swan lands in your neighborhood I think you are going to start looking for someone who knew what prepping was about early on and didn’t wait til the SHTF.

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    • Winston Smith March 25, 2012, 5:01 am

      The problem is with powerful entities as a general rule. Capitalism is neither good nor evil. It is only as good or evil as the person practicing it. Both governments and corporations enslave the masses, and when they get in bed with each other watch out! Your freedom will be abrogated in the name of the “greater good”, meaning the good of the elite.

      This is part of the reason why you can no longer live completely off the grid without using currency in first world economies. To do so would deprive those at the top of your slave labor. Think you own something? Try seeing what happens when you do not pay taxes on it for a year or not complying with a government regulation that dictates how you may use “your” land. Therefore, even if you own property without a mortgage you still are only just a renter. After all, if you could forego feeding the banker/government machine then they would lose their ability to co opt power. So, even if you own your land and are self-sufficient in terms of food, clothing, shelter and water you are still required to put in your time like a good little debt slave and feed the machine.

      Want to stop being a renter? Good luck. The system would have to be completely restructured to do this and I fear what new system would rise from the ashes. Most people are NOT geared towards self-sufficiency and so tyranny is more likely to rise from the ashes than liberty. After all, the powerful of today would still control the means of production-whether they owned it on paper or the state owned it on paper. You would just be a serf by another name.

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      • lateToTheParty March 26, 2012, 12:28 am

        Ah – but if there is no production, no sales, no purchases that these ‘powerful’ can control, then their basis of power is gone. When we stop this chasing our tails buying what they are selling, the only things selling will be direct skills and direct to user products. The most powerful people you speak of made their money and power by aggregating money in a field where there is no real product and therefore the ‘product’ can be made for so little and sold for so very much.

        Look at software: in terms of actual input (materials) once you already have a computer then software is an infinite ROI (with regards to physical input material.) The ‘powerful’ combine smarts (good for them) and a system that paid for something that didn’t exist (booo!) You can’t smoke, eat, wear financial tools or margins or .. Where the real power has come from has been where man made up value and that can be a basis for infinite ROI. When we stop paying for the products that can be worth noting or everything, then sanity will rule and true American Capitalism can lead us for 200+ more years.

        Like the mark of late 30’s Germany, the actual dollar will only be worth the paper it’s on; if your value is in dollars (or gold or rupees or ..) what kind of power is that over the guy growing tomatoes? Or catfish or … Food and Medicine will be power.

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        • T.R. March 26, 2012, 2:18 am

          It all boils down to a french revolution kind of thing , the 2% will fall if the 98% decide to have an armed rebellion . Why should any mercs obey and protect them when they know that they can just join the rebellion and take what they want by force of arms . Their position will be about as desirable as a russian nobel in 1918 .

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          • Jim-Bob March 26, 2012, 5:43 am

            Yes but be careful what you wish for! Revolutions rarely end up with those who started them in power at the end. Plus, who will the regular people choose to follow? Most people today are quite content living within the system. Those that are not typically fall into a few categories: Libertarians, Social Democrats, Socialists, Marxists and Anarchists. Which group will win in the end? Who knows. You don’t know until the fight begins and the end result may be an order of magnitude worse than what we have now. Just ask yourself what kind of person the average American is and if you would want them running the country.

            If you want an example of what would happen, look at the Russian revolution instead of the American Revolution. It took years of fighting and changing alliances before power consolidated with the Bolsheviks. In the end the people wound up far worse off than they had been under the Czar. Remember that there were multiple parties vying for control including: social democrats, republicans, anarchists, monarchists, and two warring factions of communism: the Bolsheviks (led by Lenin) and the more pure Marxist Mensheviks (led by Trotsky).

            I see this as a warning as to what would happen here. After all, a revolution would never take place without the destruction of the middle class. Once they have nothing to lose watch out because desperate people do stupid things to try and restore order at any cost. This is why communists have historically tried to destroy the middle class in a nation as a pretext to fomenting revolution. The classic example of this, of course, is the hyperinflation of the Hungarian Pengo in 1946-47. Think it can’t happen here? Think again.

          • T.R. March 26, 2012, 8:01 pm

            Oh , Im not wishing for revolution . I do wish for a break up . I think a nation of this size with such a polarized population has already outlived its usefulness . I wish Texas would secede , that would start a chain reaction of other states dropping out . ike any other time , when a country changes identity or governments , any deals the old Junta had with other nations is null and void , they start with a clean slate .

    • sillyMe March 25, 2012, 11:06 am

      Oddly in Japan corporations are the second religion and yet somehow in spite of that they were able to take care of their own. I think “Armed and Democrat” is a closet socialist and may not even know it. I am retired and was happily “enslaved” by corporations for 47 years of my working life. Oddly I must have been pretty naive because I enjoyed it and it allowed me to raise my family and provide for my retirement. I was never rich but again naively I never thought to blame that on someone else. Thank god for corporations who provide jobs, provide goods and services we all want and provide a lot of tax money to the government to waste on people like “armed and democrat”. I am so tired of politicians buying votes by giving away “free stuff” bought with our tax money. It is not the corporation that has caused our problem it is government.

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    • BillyB March 25, 2012, 10:50 pm

      Oxymoron, you wrote:
      “Holy crap. Are you all that stupid that you still can not see that it is corporate greed and unbridled un regulated capitalism that is pulling our way of life in to the toilet?”

      YES! We are all that stupid.

      Therefore, you’ve come to the right place.

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    • Ben Dover March 26, 2012, 1:32 am

      Capitalism is not the problem. In a capitalist system people and companies are allowed to fail. GM, Chrysler, AIG, et al should be memories. USA has a CRONY capitalist government.

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      • T.R. March 26, 2012, 8:05 pm

        + 10

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  • Cliffystones March 24, 2012, 12:52 pm

    Let the boneheads on the “prepper” TV shows yuk it up all they want. We know what we’re doing, if those folks choose to belittle us they do so at their own expense.

    “A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyse a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialisation is for insects.”
    Robert Heinlein

    This Science Fiction writer was way ahead of his time, downright prophetic. He talks about “The Crazy Years” in several of his short stories, and I believe we’re in them right now.

    I know you said you don’t watch TV Jarhead, but do consider getting a Roku box. You can watch the programs and movies you want on your own time without the screaming commercials.

    I recently started watching the show “Lost”. While the plot is getting kinda weird, there’s one character I find admirable. His name is John Locke, he’s in his 50s like me. He embodies the qualities found in the above Heinlein quote. He’s calm, observant and logical, while the rest of the survivors tend to go off half-cocked. He’s handling the situation exactly how I hope I will if/when TSHTF.

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    • lateToTheParty March 26, 2012, 5:39 pm

      Fair warning – getting weird is just the start. It gets downright bizarre. And yeah, Locke was my favorite before I stopped watching. Jack was cool being a doctor an all, but the one I’d try to learn from would have been Locke.

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  • Jason March 24, 2012, 5:32 pm

    Maybe it is time to create a splinter group away from the “prepping” model. Mormons have prepped for many decades & don’t see much, if any, negativity towards their efforts – yet, they’d put most all “survivalists” to shame with how well stocked they are.

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    • T.R. March 24, 2012, 11:44 pm

      Very very true ! Mormons have it down .

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    • sillyMe March 27, 2012, 10:04 pm

      I think the Mormons have a unified theory of preparing that doesn’t buttonhole them as “survivors”. They work hard, they frown on those who don’t work hard and they help their own when hard times hit.

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      • Jason March 28, 2012, 1:21 pm

        Agreed & it has always been my belief it is mindset not labels such as “survivalists” that is important. The media just loves to rip apart & demonize anything they can deem as a separatist sect, which I find disgusting to do in the name of ratings & dollars. Finding the negative to overshadow the good is makes me puke.

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        • T.R. March 29, 2012, 9:53 pm

          Sort of like communist media or the old nazi propaganda movies .

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  • Winston Smith March 25, 2012, 5:23 am

    The thing that does it for me is the improbable scenarios most of these people claim to be prepping for. A magnetic pole shift…really? Even a Yellowstone eruption is more probable than that one. The most logical one is hyperinflation and they make damn sure to deride that idea at the end of the segment. The next most logical thing is martial law but that can hardly be prepped for. I also thought the liberal New England lady was nuts. All that food and no way to defend it? Sorry but armed, desperate people aren’t going to leave you alone just because you feed them. They will either keep you as their slave or kill you and take everything you have worked for. You don’t have to like guns to need them.

    As for me, I started prepping a little over a year ago with economic collapse in mind, but with personal economic hardship the more realistic possibility. I don’t live far above the poverty line and as such there are times when money for food is not easy to come by. My utility bills have gone up and pay has gone down, showing me that I needed to figure out how to become more self-sufficient and less dependent on the grid before I ran out of options. I made some sacrifices to put away food but I also bought a very fuel efficient vehicle (40-50 mpg) in case of a spike in oil prices or fuel rationing. I am growing a garden and plan to water it using a rain water collection system I am working on. I do own guns and ammo but consider them my least favorite part of prepping. I don’t enjoy shooting them but I do understand that there may come a time in the future when they become necessary to protect the ones I love. The thought of having to take a life horrifies me but I do not trust governments to be the only ones armed either.

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    • irishdutchuncle March 25, 2012, 11:23 am

      as Chairman Mao has instructed us: “all political power comes from the barrel of a gun”. logically therefore if the people are to be the power, then the people must have guns.

      anyone therefore who believes that only the “government” should have guns, is trying to take away the political power of the people. “Power to the People!” (right arm!)

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    • sillyMe March 27, 2012, 10:07 pm

      You laugh but when the pole shift occurs you will all have to adjust your compass; kind of like adjusting your clocks for daylight savings.

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      • Jason March 27, 2012, 10:53 pm

        Better read up on what would really happen if the radically poles shifted. Life would cease to exist is a very short order & the least of your worries would be a compass.

        The 23.5 degree angle of the Earth is a very precisely balanced position & creates the stability of the entire ecosystem of the planet.

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        • Jarhead Survivor March 28, 2012, 12:54 pm

          I think what they mean is that the poles magnetic polarity shifts – not the tilt of the Earth itself.

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          • Jason March 28, 2012, 1:17 pm

            That makes more sense, thanks.

  • Syrinx09 March 25, 2012, 7:59 pm

    ChaChaGirl…I’m with you. The media is happy to make us look like wack-jobs for ratings. Can’t understand why Southern Prepper1 would subject himself and his family. Hey, Spook45, either stay in the 21st century where we have spel-chek or go back to the good ol’ days when we used dikshunarys, but use one or the other.

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  • Child of Odin April 25, 2012, 3:41 pm

    With three daughters, I am definitely NOT hoping for TEOTWAWKI, or even SHTF. But if it happens? Well, I am not afraid, by any means, because I am taking steps to prepare. As for Arms, why yes I do. As I said, I have three daughters. I intend to protect them with any means necessary, and ensure that they reach adulthood, intact and unharmed, no matter what happens. Whether SHTF, or TEOTWAWKI, or even if by some bizarre twist of fate, nothing EVER happens in my area. Course, I live in an earthquake zone, where the BIG ONE is overdue by 50-100 years.

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