How Not To Get Beat, Tazed, or Tear Gassed By The Police

Not too long ago I wrote a post questioning if we lived in a police state.  This generated a lot of comments on the blog both for and against the ideas I presented, which is good because it shows that people are paying attention.

Some said that I was anti-police in the post, which isn’t the message I wanted to send; however, I won’t get into it here.  You can read it yourself and make your own decision.

In today’s post we’ll look at arrests from the viewpoint of the police.  First, these guys and gals are out there every single day dealing with people who are… how shall we put it?  Less than savory.  My ex-wife decided she wanted to be a cop a few years after we were married and it was remarkable how fast her attitude towards the general public deteriorated after she graduated to patrol.  And that’s here in Midcoast Maine where the crime rate is relatively low.  Imagine what it must be like in New York City or any of the other big towns out there?

We’d drive through a neighborhood and I’d see kids playing and people watering the lawn and she’d see dopers and scumbags.  Her experiences over time gave her a mistrust towards the general population that I found appalling, but understandable.

Tip Number 1

First of all, if you don’t want to be arrested DON’T BREAK THE LAW!  That should be easy enough to remember, but a remarkable number of people can’t seem to follow that one simple bit of advice.

Second, if you DO get pulled over or are otherwise have the full attention of a police officer, do what you’re told.  In the military they train you to obey orders.  The last thing they want are a bunch of people standing around asking, “Why?  Why should I do that?  I think we should do it this way,” or “You can’t make me.”  Wrong.  If they have the gun they CAN make you.

Now it may be true that you aren’t in the military, but if you’re pulled over on the side of the road and the police officer says, “Get out of the car and put your hands on your head,” just do as you’re told in a nonthreatening manner.  You might not be doing anything wrong, but if you start giving the officer a hard time it’s a good possibility his sense of humor will sour quite fast.  An officer who feels threatened may feel it necessary to restrain you for a brief time while he talks to you.  Be nice!  If you start giving attitude and put up a fight – even if you’ve done nothing wrong – you’re still apt to get beat, tazed, or tear gassed for resisting.

Hey Jarhead!  Have you ever been arrested?   *Ahem.*  Let’s just say I met the wrong end of a billy club once in Scotland after a night of hard partying with some Royal Marines and a crazy Russian guy.  The police over there are just like the guys over here.  If I’d been polite and minded my P’s and Q’s I probably would have been thrown in the drunk tank for the evening and after cooling my heels been sent back to the ship.  Uh uh.  Not your favorite Jarhead Survivor.  I had to run my mouth and after punching one of the cops in the head his partner returned the favor with a nightstick.  It made a lasting impression (emotionally – not physically.)  They bruised their knuckles on me for a couple of hours at the jail and after getting hold of the duty officer I was sent back to the ship in cuffs.  Let’s just say the ships captain and my commanding officer weren’t all that impressed with me.

What did I learn from this little incident?  Do what you’re told!  If I hadn’t gotten belligerent there’s a fair chance they wouldn’t have kicked my ass.  Not 100% of course, but if you’re nice to the police they’ll at least look at you in a kinder light.

When I was doing research on the post about the police state I ran across a lot of videos of cops just trying to do their duty in a pleasant manner.  But there were vids of guys holding a camera and refusing to answer any questions and generally making a non-situation into something totally uncalled for.   The cops had my sympathy on those particular videos.

One thing you have to remember is that when a police officer shows up on a scene and he’s alone he has  to assume control.  That’s his job.  If you get all up in his face with an attitude there’s a pretty good chance you’re going to wind up in cuffs or jittering and jiving on the wrong end of a tazer.  Be polite and do what you’re told until the officer has a chance to get things sorted out.  It’s not fair that you’ve been ordered to sit on the ground or stand with your hands on your head while the officer deals with a bunch of rowdies? Guess what?  He doesn’t care!  He’s just trying to do his job as efficiently and safely as possible.

Is it important to know your rights?  Absolutely!  But that doesn’t mean you have to be a jerk about it to the officer who’s just trying to do his job and go home at night in one piece.

As a matter of fact I intend to do a post about your rights as a citizen shortly, but for now just be aware that if you’re asked to do something it might well be in your best interest to comply.

Tip Number 2

If you don’t want to be arrested, tazed or maced you might consider staying away from situations where it’s likely to happen.  If you’re protesting, for example, you should expect that at some point you’re going to have a run in with the police.  Plan accordingly.

Carry some water to wash the mace out of your eyes and wear a hockey helmet so that when they taze you and you fall to the ground you don’t knock yourself out.

Are you in the middle of a bar fight at 2:30 AM and you hear sirens coming?  Hmmm, you might want to go out the back door because things are about to go from bad to worse.

Summing It Up

I still stand by every word I wrote in my post about the police state, but this is the other side of the coin.  Are there cops out there high on a power trip or looking to give someone a beating?  Sure, but that’s not every cop walking a beat or riding around in their car.

To sum it up there are just a few rules to play by if you do have a run-in with a cop.  Do what you’re told.  Be respectful of the badge if not the person behind it.  Be nice.  Don’t act in a threatening or belligerent manner.  (Be nice in other words.)

Here’s an excellent training video from Chris Rock.  He talks about it from the Black Man’s perspective, but anybody could benefit from his wisdom here.   (Rated R for language.)

I hope this short post helps you when and if you ever have to deal with the police.

-Jarhead Survivor

 

67 comments… add one
  • Templar March 9, 2012, 8:42 am

    Very well put. Remember, there’s a lot of testosterone out there, and as I’ve posited earlier, a lot of “badge-heavy” cops. We ARE becoming a police state (a socialist one, at that), but that doesn’t mean we need to lose our civility or our common sense. Nothing works like a smile and an “of course sir/ma’am!” Displaying an attitude toward some uniformed powermonger won’t get you anywhere. And by the way, there ARE cops out there who are human beings, family men/women just like everyone else.

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  • Jim March 9, 2012, 9:12 am

    Well as a cop, my best advice is, don’t so stupid shit with stupid people in stupid places.. There are cops who were beat up in school and never got laid that do seem to have something to prove. Your best bet is check your mouth, do what your asked, use common sense,ie no reaching under your seat in a hurry.

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  • Jason March 9, 2012, 9:50 am

    Jarhead – that video was extremely funny!! Boy did I love it – still laughing with tears!

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  • J March 9, 2012, 9:53 am

    Good article, but don’t know if it really matters whether you comply, roll into a fetal position or duke it out; that man who went into diabetic coma in his car – in Texas I think – had four or five cops beating him, kicking him in the head as he lay on the ground; the cops beat up the former marine, also in Texas, for asking questions about their physical harassment of a woman in a gas station… these and a couple of hundred other video’d events would seem to show that cops are a violent, mentally unstable and unpredictable element, and just as likely to tase you, gang-kick you into a coma, or shoot you dead if they feel like it, whether you do that ‘Yassuh, officer suh, whatevah you say, .suh” or meet them with force. There is no consistency.
    I don’t necessarily LIKE that lesson, but it IS the lesson that the cops teach us by their example. Over and over and over.
    In non-vioelnt situations, I would simply judge and respect the man – not the badge – based on his respect or conduct toward me. But if he wants to escalate things, well, it’s his call, but nobody will be happy with the next move.

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    • charlie March 22, 2012, 10:58 pm

      Boy this is the first real comment that is spot on.I am not a felon and stay away from trouble (meaning cops)because if I am attacked I know I will go to prison for life,and this is not what I want.Years ago one could say yeah there are a few bad cops but now it is opposite only a few good ones.@46 I have seen a lot of bad stuff and know cops in my own family who are bad.I realize that they can be no other way ,for the fact that they work for a very terrible corrupt employer and this helps me to understand better.The best thing we can hope for is a huge solar storm to put everyone on a more equal playing field,or make some wrongs right.That is what I think about cops.

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  • sam March 9, 2012, 10:11 am

    yes, check your mouth. lick the boots of the officer and say thank you for allowing him to let you clean his boots.

    do what you are asked or do as you are told? even when it is an illegal order? even when the command is contrary to your well-being, whether that be legal well-being or physical well-being?

    cops seem to believe that if they are in a seedy place they are allowed to treat people like animals. cops seem to believe that civil rights belong only to those who can afford an attack dog attorney and sue their pants off. this is the basis of why the poor are more harshly treated, prosecuted, and sentenced than the rich. cops do not respect the law, nor the constitution, only the threat of losing their job, hence their willingness to let the powerful off with warnings.

    i don’t blame the police entirely though, politicians won’t fund departments to a degree that they can hire non-meatheads. departments can’t afford to train officers effectively in community-building policing methods. departments are stuck abiding by restrictive union contracts that prevent them from firing officers for mistreating people.

    criminal arrest rates are plummeting at the same time that budgets are being cut at the same time that police departments are being militarized at the same time that police departments are incentivized hire ex-military at the same time that people are getting poorer and more desperate.

    it’s a horrible vicious cycle that legitimately screams for a drastic solution that includes my following suggestions:
    1.) Demilitarize the police. Stop it with the tactical garb. Sell the armored personnel carriers.
    2) Ratchet down the testosterone and implement actual community policing models. Put officers on foot patrol. Instruct officers to smile at citizens and to be courteous to taxpayers.
    3) Stop massaging crime statistics to make your department look better. Actually take reports of crimes and actually investigate them.
    4) Pay officers better. Train officers better. Equip officers better. End collective bargaining for officers. Fire the assholes and powertrippers. Officers need to be psychologically tested for sociopathy.
    5) Stop having officers push papers. Detroit PD has 40% officers doing jobs like singing rock and roll songs at area high schools for kids who don’t listen to rock and roll or processing licenses for strippers. Crime will be impacted by the actual number of officers patrolling neighborhoods.
    6) Enforce property ordinances. Broken window theory is dead nuts correct. High crime areas need paint and need the trash picked up. Police should be partnering with community organizations to take back neighborhoods that are in decline.
    7) Criminal justice curriculums need to push community service, not powermongering as major points of teaching.

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    • sam March 9, 2012, 12:51 pm

      oh, and i forgot:

      8) starve the beast. departments rely on property seizures from the war on drugs to fund their militarization. end the war on drugs.

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  • Darin March 9, 2012, 11:29 am

    Jarhead,
    Your a smart guy so I don’t aim this at you but you do know that ignorance of the law is no excuse to break it. Now last year alone in the US they signed 40,000 laws into exsistance. So I ask you to name them? They may not be fair. How about I ask you to name only 1%? I know that no one can however our faithful lawmen who also can’t name even 1% but still swears to uphold the law will toss you in jail for breaking them. We call that ignorance of the law enforcer. Fact, if you law boys don’t know the laws either you should join the opposition and throw the bums out. The only way to get rid of all these laws is to start over from the foundation the US Constitution.

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    • sam March 9, 2012, 12:37 pm

      hear, hear!

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  • Adam March 9, 2012, 12:34 pm

    I agree and disagree with some of the comments. First off, no one knows every single law, even the police. It’s impossible. We do the best we can. Like I said in the previous thread, if I have a doubt, I don’t take enforcement action on it. There are a ton of laws out there and many times we will arrest based on one charge and look up to see if any others apply.

    Our biggest problem when dealing with the public is uninformed people. They believe they know all the laws and all the case law that allows us to do what we do. That makes it a problem when they believe we’re wrong but in reality, we’re right. The news media and social networking sites only show the clip that they want the populace to see which presents their viewpoint.

    Yes, dealing with the dregs of society jades the police. When you see some kid with a red bandana hanging out of his back pocket, you may or may not realize that he’s a blood gang member. I have a million things running through my head when I see him, including the fact that he’s probably armed and would shoot and kill you without a second thought. You might not even notice it, if you do, you might not care.

    The best advice I can give is to be respectful. I have had many people talk their way into tickets or an arrest as opposed to driving/walking away with a warning or nothing at all. Are there stupid cops and heavy fisted cops? Yes there are. Do I like those cops? Nope. I think they are a disgrace and tarnish the badge, which makes it harder for the rest of us who do the right thing.

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    • sam March 9, 2012, 12:42 pm

      i hate it when cops treat people differently based on their perceptions of that person, their perception of that person’s level of submission, and that person’s level of subservience. If a person is belligerant or polite, it should not matter in how the law is applied. officers should not be given discretion in how the law is applied. it creates inequality and allows officers’ bias to influence who actually gets into trouble, hence the common driving while black problems when black people dare exit their designated areas.

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  • laura bradley March 9, 2012, 12:36 pm

    Can’t emphasize enough…do what you are told at that time…simple…don’t put yourself into situations that could get you ‘attention’ (like speeding) and be aware of what those around you are doing too (long story short, I recently had ‘interesting’ contact with what I shall call the ‘state’…over something that I had nothing to do with outside of the fact that I lived with other person!!) did what I was told, answered their questions, was polite, offered them coffee and they left in peace and now I have FRIENDS in those ranks…you never know…which brings me to this…get to know some of them…if they know you, less chance of having problems.

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    • sam March 9, 2012, 12:47 pm

      yes, kiss the asses of officers so that you can get preferential treatment. give money to their little benevolent funds and put their stickers on your car. make sure that every officer on traffic patrol sees that you’ve paid your tax and are among the submissive millions. then, and only then, can you mitigate the risk of being tased or beaten for being embarrassed or lacking contrition when you’re pulled over for the arbitrary offense of being one of thousands to be speeding or smoking weed or something else that is completely innocuous.

      you ran the risk of incriminating yourself so that you could lick their boots. make no mistake about it, if you had given them any evidence against you, they would have prosecuted you, rather than let you leave. you were lucky, or pretty, probably both.

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      • extremesgs March 9, 2012, 1:26 pm

        Dude, seriously?

        being courteous to someone, and then having that person as a casual contact or even acquaintance is bad, and bowing to “the man?”

        “did what I was told, answered their questions” is part lawful, part good citizen”

        and what you seem to be referring to as the ass-kissing- “was polite, offered them coffee” sounds like someone had manners and was being nice.

        It seems to be implied that you would not be courteous because you just don’t think you have to be- or are saying that others should take that stance. to the point of defiance…

        I ask… if a salesman comes to a house and a person lets him in, would the person be kissing ass if they were polite, answered the salesman’s questions, and offered them coffee?

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        • sam March 9, 2012, 1:45 pm

          are officers selling things now? i think that was a freudian slip that is highly illustrative of the modern police function… to gather revenue for the state.

          i wouldn’t let you in my house without a warrant. full stop. if stopped by the police for a traffic related issue, i’m obligated by teh law to notify them of my concealed pistol, but otherwise will not answer questions. if i am stopped on the street, i will not answer questions, but demand that the officer let me know if my contact is voluntary or if i am being detained. this is my right as a united states citizen. i have no obligation to help you have a nice day, i already help pay your salary.

          coffee and pleasant conversation is apparently your right and it is the obligation of citizens to give you an opportunity to hammer them for any slight miscontrued piece of information.

          officers used to serve and protect. not so much anymore.

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          • charlie March 22, 2012, 11:14 pm

            spot on, again

      • Anonymous March 11, 2012, 3:02 pm

        Smoking weed is not an arbitrary offence. Especially while driving.

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  • Michael March 9, 2012, 12:45 pm

    Yep, be polite, follow directions, answer their questions, if there’s an issue take it up with their supervisor, the courts, or whatever local political folks have some oversight in the matter afterwards. If you’re cordial throughout in incident you’ll have a better case later on.

    There are incidents were the police are just flat out wrong and beat people up (google Otto Zehm Spokane WA for more on that), but those are a tiny fraction of the cases where police deal with people.

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    • sam March 9, 2012, 12:49 pm

      why should anyone answer the questions of an officer? you realize that you have no obligation so long as the elite allow us to maintain our 5th ammendment rights? what possible benefit do you have in prolonging any contact with a police officer? every word that falls out of your mouth increases the likelihood of you being pinched for something, deserving or not.

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      • extremesgs March 9, 2012, 1:32 pm

        you can disregard my last response up there…

        you have managed to create a stereotype, or at least jump on with one, and be as un-objective (is that even a word??) as you possibly could, and clearly no one here is going to change your mind.

        so you don’t need to reply, as i’m sure you’ll feel the need to. Its clear that you’ve formed your opinion, you’re right, and the rest are wrong.

        Moving along…

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      • Michael March 9, 2012, 1:39 pm

        You know, I’m 43 years old and I’ve talked to a cop exactly twice in my life. Both times were for traffic tickets that I deserved and in both cases the police were completely professional. I don’t see this as a huge issue and I’m not that worried about the police.

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  • extremesgs March 9, 2012, 1:06 pm

    Good article- thanks for posting. (Yes, I’m in LE- 15 years)

    As i read and scrolled I thought, this Chris Rock video i have would be PERFECT here! And there it was!

    I won’t preach any tips- you made great points. i will point out a few things that need pointing….

    The police are there to maintain order (typically, by way of simply enforcing laws). Their job is to go out and identify these things. The courts are in place to, for lack of better wording, keep both sides in check; to make sure there is accountability on both “sides” of a situation. The general public DOES have numerous rights to dispute the legality of things, but “on the spot,” to the contrary of police action is not one of those rights/times. (Not saying anyone said that, just pointing it out as an area that some people seem to disagree with sometimes). We are supposed to follow the rules, so the people we’re dealing with should as well. I get a kick out of people saying “you can’t do that!” and then resist. Well, not you’re call to make right then… and the resisting? Uhm, you can’t do that. Hypocrite. But, they don’t see it that way. Interesting.

    Like any group, profession, class, or anything else, there are bad apples. I will, however, disagree with the comment that there are “a lot of ‘badge heavy’ cops.” Ok, in context, you could say that a few is a lot, or too many. But, as a whole, there aren’t as many as people seem to think. But in fairness to the general public, all it takes is one… or two, or a few nationwide, to paint the whole group in a bad light. and unfortunately, news media being what it is, you will hear a LOT about the “wrong” done by the police, and will hear it for a long time…. but the good that is done daily? the exceptional performance? the “above and beyond their duties” that go on daily, nationwide? You don’t hear about them. Not enough anyway…. so it looks a lot worse than it really is. I don’t expect many outside of the field to realize that, though plenty do. Its on the micro level, too- trust me! You do your job daily and do it well and never hear boo from admin… but fuck up? Oh man…. you’ll hear it then!

    As previously stated, the police are people just like anyone else. We see a lot of shit. more than the average person. We also have to take a lot more shit than most other professions. respect begets respect. If i don’t give it, I probably won’t get it… but despite my desire, if I don’t get it, I still need to give it.

    Lastly, thanks for the supportive comments towards LE. They’re appreciated.

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    • sam March 9, 2012, 1:35 pm

      the detroit police department has been under federal supervision for almost a decade because of a practice of stone cold shooting too many people that didn’t deserve it. DPD and many, many others maintain a culture whereby officers lie for each other and the brass tidies up the paperwork. police departments all across the south routinely pull over far higher than average rates of black people on election day. even in toney liberal san francisco officers get off with a slap on the wrist after they shot that boy on the subway platform after he was handcuffed. thin blue line, indeed.

      you’re downplaying the level of corruption and collusion in police departments across the country. police are increasingly reverting to sheriff of nottingham type revenue exploitation rather than actual law enforcement.

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      • extremesgs March 9, 2012, 1:42 pm

        Then get back on your high horse, put the pen to paper, and start doing something about it rather than sitting there merely complaining.
        You’re either part of the solution or you’re part of the problem, even if for idly standing by.

        again, there’s no point trying to discuss this with you, given the “conspiracy theory” blanket you’ve thrown over it.

        As i’ve heard said before: “Bitching without taking action is just bitching…”

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        • sam March 9, 2012, 2:00 pm

          what do you think i’m doing in a thread like this? i’m rebutting your and others assertions that you all are just doing your job. you may be just doing your jobs, but your jobs are to enforce unjust laws created for the benefit of the elite. even amongst preppers who tend to be more willing to express their individuality, there is rampant fealty to authority, especially of law enforcement and the military.

          you had another slip of the tongue there when you started out talking maintaining order. you aren’t joking. that is your job. to maintain the social and economic order. to put people in their place and to hammer the nails that stick up, to maintain the integrity of supply chains and to keep the profit machine chugging along. congrats on that unintentional moment of honesty.

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          • extremesgs March 9, 2012, 2:25 pm

            You’re not having a constructive discussion. You’re playing the “i’m right, you’re wrong” game with anyone who disagrees with you, interpreting what you wish from the postings, and applying other peoples’ words to your own contexts.

            Its a waste of energy to argue a point with you or anyone else who does those things, because you’re saying that you’re right any other view are wrong, period. There is no objectivity, no room for discussion, and therefor, no point. You’re looking to force-feed your views to others, and won’t back off until they accept them. that’s why i said to disregard. so, “argue” your points with someone else, please.

          • sam March 9, 2012, 3:01 pm

            what makes you think i’m interested in a constructive conversation with you? there’s no meeting in the middle when it comes to police abuse of power. i’m interested in getting my tone across to people who read my comments, which you’ve failed to rebut on any level.

            the funny thing is if i struck this tone with you face to face, you’d arrest me and probably say i “resisted arrest” for sayign something that cops don’t like to hear, errr, i mean disorderly conduct. you don’t want to argue with me and don’t try because your authority means nothing in this context. you’re clearly uncomfortable with an equal power dynamic, which is what the internet affords a normal citizen with little economic or social clout.

      • John March 10, 2012, 4:32 am

        Sam,
        You watch too much TV and Youtube. We are not downplaying police problems, you are exaggerating them. The fact is, 99% of people in this country don’t have any problems with the police their entire lives. Those that do, seem to have problems over and over, and then complain about the police being too ______(insert whining here) . The fact is, those who mind their own business, obey general laws, and live productive lives, very rarely get in trouble. It seems some people just can’t get their lives right, and of course the police are at fault according to them. People do crazy things and expect to be nipple fed by the police after doing those crazy things. You are speaking about a profession and also a criminal lifestyle that you have no understanding of. I really don’t care to hear your response to that statement, because if you had understanding in the least, you wouldn’t be speaking about it. What you need to understand, is that you don’t understand. Unless the police have had a direct and dramatic effect on YOUR life, you have no complaint…..because most of the time, those who have problems with the police, are creating the problem for themselves.

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        • Brad March 10, 2012, 2:46 pm

          If 99% of us, who follow the rules, and lead productive lives, never have a “problem” with police, then why do police drive down the road and randomly run license plates? If one has done nothing wrong, and commits no crimes other than being in front of a police car, then why look to get him in trouble?? This is a “police state” type action.

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          • extremesgs March 11, 2012, 9:43 pm

            speaking for my home state, the licesnse plates are the property of the RMV. Therefor, they (RMV) have the right to ensure their “property” is engaged in lawful behavior (properly registered to a licensed operator not wanted by the courts, etc), and may check that status at any time. However, the state next door to me can’t do that- they need a reason to run any plate.

            as was stated, that’s at the legislative level- the police are just doing what’s within the laws enacted by legislature. If anyone doesn’t want it, they petition to change it. its that simple. not easy… but that simple.

            “why look to get him in trouble” is another one of those “defensive” type comments/questions. Let’s think about this. First, the police don’t “look to get people in trouble.” They enforce laws. That being said, if you’re not breaking any laws, then you won’t get in any trouble. If you are, then what gripe could you possibly have that you were caught doing so?

            people seem to have this notion that the police just suit up in whatever Rambo outfit they can find, paint up a car and put blue lights on it, and then run around “doing” this thing under the guise of “police work” with no accountability, no actual authority, and no sense of whats right and wrong. That’s quite a naieve thought. they are trained to “do” a job. One might compare it to a trash collector (please hold jokes) in the fact that, they don’t just go out and do this thing that they thought of…. they signed up to do a task, and go out to do it according to the rules for that job. back to police work….sometimes not according to the rules and they are slapped- by their PD, by their jurisdiction (city/state etc), by the courts, and by the general public.

            people also need to realize something else: just because you, joe public, thinks that a given officer did something wrong, or the department did, that doesn’t mean they ACTUALLY did…. and, there are checks in place to determine that. checks that have no association to the department. if you don’t like the result, talk to them. Don’t continue to bash the department or officer.

            a sad case in point… in NY, a college student was shot by police in self defense (let’s not tear the case apart- i’m making a point)he family was outraged, and in part felt that it was racially motivated… no grounds to think it, but no matter. They didn’t want the PD investigating. Ok, so the state did. Nope, they didn’t like the result and insisted on the feds doing it. The feds looked at it and called it justified. Still not happy, its a conspiracy, its civil rights violations and on and on and on…. listen people, just because i/me/they/them aren’t in agreement with you, that doesn’t mean they’re wrong. it means you’re not in agreement with them.

            i’m ranting again.. apologies

          • Brad March 11, 2012, 10:39 pm

            Just because it’s lawful, why run my or my fellow citizens plates (just cause that plate don’t belong to me) when we are doing nothing wrong or suspicious. POLICE STATE!! If I (Joe Blow) posed no threat, used my turn signal when necessary, then WHY RUN MY PLATES?? Can you not understand that in a “Police State” these are the things that happen? But, on the other hand if that “plate” references you to a “name” that happened to get a DUI a few years back, have a pot charge on him of some sort, or warrant, or parking ticket, etc, then more than likely you can pull this guy over and “find something on him”. Looking for crime from someone that is minding their own business, heading to work is “police state” activity. Acting on crime seen, or reported is “police activity”. Now you reply with “…….. and if you weren’t doing anything wrong, you wouldn’t have a problem with me”. I do nothing wrong (except speed sometimes) yet I DO have a problem with you running my plates randomly. When the average citizen fears the police (you know, worried about not using that signal, is my “state owned plate” properly illuminated, etc. ?) then it is a police state by definition. Wake up! Sorry that guy picked on you in school. It wasn’t me. Don’t run my plates when I haven’t done anything wrong!

          • Brad March 11, 2012, 10:48 pm

            You can’t use the “it’s my job” line with me. I’m an electrician. I don’t go around changing every burnt out bulb, tightening every loose wire nut I see. I fix the ones that are problems. Ones that people call me to say ” this bulb is burnt out” (someone is selling drugs on my corner). I fix those and wait for the next call. I don’t go around finding every electrical problem in town. If it’s not a problem, it’s not a problem.

    • Michael March 9, 2012, 1:43 pm

      “The courts are in place to, for lack of better wording, keep both sides in check; to make sure there is accountability on both “sides” of a situation.”

      Exactly.

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    • charlie March 22, 2012, 11:40 pm

      yeah but here in my town were cops have ripped my friend out of her car because she is crippled and did not comply quick enough and her husband tried to defend her and was charged with assault on a punk ass cop,or the cop selling x and charges were dropped after 3 years had passed(officer benney e.peo.ill.Stuart ummholts states att.said not enough evidence.look it up .This is only two examples of many I can give you In my town only.So for you to say that there are only a few bad cops you must mean that they are only in my town .You would fail as a car salesman trying to spew that shit.Every one has to earn respect including cops that is why 90% of law folks are hated they bring it on themselves not the public and this is a waist of time.

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  • extremesgs March 9, 2012, 1:16 pm

    and one more bone of contention while i’m at it….

    “yea, well that’s your JOB!” is true, but not accurate. My job is to respond to calls for service, etc. I could sit on my ass for 8 hours with no calls and be doing my job. my job is not to be shit on, and my job is not dictated by the person in front of me questioning it.

    People who are out there day in, day out… their jobs are the same. Their job does NOT say they need to bust their ass for 8, 10, or 12 hours looking for every suspicious person or activity, etc. And when they do that? When they catch the guy who was about to break into a house or car, or was scoping out kids at the playground, or who used their training, attentiveness, and gift of gab to get it out of someone that they were just about to do something really bad…. no one hears about it. The command staff typically doesn’t care. The media doesn’t think its dramatic enough for a story, and the general public never even knows it happened…. yet they soldier on, they do it again. Hell, we usually do it MORE after a good grab or something…. but that’s it. A high five from those involved is all you get for a job well done. And that’s all that’s wanted and needed.

    and the answer to the burning question we’re asked of “don’t you have anything better to do…..?” The answer is yes. A LOT more… but unfortunately, I’m stuck dealing with (person) instead. :-)

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  • 3rdMan March 9, 2012, 1:50 pm

    The key is show respect. If you show respect you will get respect in kind back from most officers. Just because you broke the law does not give a right to be an ass, and even than 99.9% of the officer will still treat you with some degree of respect. It is the .1% that get all the press.

    J said there are hundreds of videos out there showing officers being abusive in some way. He is right on that fact but with ever fact there is alway another side. The other side is there are millions of traffic stop videos and call videos out there where officers are doing their job right, but no one asks to see them because it does not make good news at 5 o’clock. Again that .1% get 99% of the press!
    Sam said:
    1.) Demilitarize the police. Stop it with the tactical garb. Sell the armored personnel carriers.

    I say than stop shooting at them with AK47s and other high powered weapons. I will stop carrying my personal AR when criminal stop carrying their. When did cops stop having 2nd ammendment rights because they are cops!

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    • Brad March 10, 2012, 3:04 pm

      When did citizens lose their 2nd Amendment right just because police are scared of them. CCW law were enacted because of the threat that guns placed on authority. Even bad guys and gun slingers were still allowed to carry in the old west. It was a right given to them in the Constitution. I have had my gun (legally carried) handed back to me in pieces twice. I have never commited a crime other than speeding. When pulled over and asked for my paperwork, I handed them a CCW permit. IMMEDIATLY, hands go to their weapon I am ordered out of the car, and mine is taken and run to see if it is stolen. This is also an excuse to peak around in my truck. What am I to say? No, I will not get out of my vehicle, I have done nothing wrong. TAZE!! Afterwards, when all checks out to be okay, it is handed back to me dissasembled. Why is this? Why show such attitude towards a law abiding citizen?? It’s an authority thing. POLICE STATE thing.

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      • Brad March 10, 2012, 3:27 pm

        P.S. If I were planning on shooting the officer, it would be as he walked up. Not after giving my ID and CCW permit. Why such an over-reaction to someone more than willing to give you all the information you need? My state does not even require me to tell you I have a concealed weapon, unless asked. I VOLUNTEER this information, because if I were a cop I would want to know it, and am still treated as a criminal until nothing “can be found” on me. The respect is a one way street there.

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        • Brad March 10, 2012, 3:31 pm

          Also, I am white, 3o something, no baggy clothes, hat brim facing forward, and clean cut, just in case you police were profiling me from the other keyboard, and assuming why such actions were being taken by your fellow officers. :)

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          • 3rdMan March 10, 2012, 4:39 pm

            What state you live in Brad?

          • Brad March 10, 2012, 9:24 pm

            Indiana. Why?

          • 3rdMan March 10, 2012, 10:32 pm

            Brad,
            Thought you might live Kalifornia or something. Would not have thought Indiana cops would be like that though. I’m here in Texas and have never done what you said has been done to you. I thought Indiana was one of the states where a permit was not required.

          • Brad March 10, 2012, 11:16 pm

            Nope….CCW is in fact required. I have came across only one trooper who was “Cool Headed” about a civilian carry. He statement was simple: “Well, don’t point it at me, and we won’t have any problems” ALL other officers (and I tend to have a heavy foot) have removed me from the car, hands on the hood, and searched my ENTIRE truck. Even digging further than under the drivers seat where they were told the gun was. Were my rights violated? I believe yes. At that time, could I have done ANYTHING about it without being considered disorderly, and charge with a criminal offence? Probably not. So why such a sour attitude towards a fully cooperating citizen? Seriously….the slide off the frame. The mag dropped out. All the cartridges removed from the mag. Pile of parts laid on my hood, bullets rolling off onto the ground, here’s your ticked for going 8 mph over the limit, have a nice day.

          • Brad March 10, 2012, 11:20 pm

            I should say that only twice was the gun handed back to me in pieces. But EVERY time, I have been asked to leave the vehicle, hand on the hood, car searched, …be a good little boy. Makes me want to NOT inform the officer of my weapon. Is that fair to him though??

  • 3rdMan March 9, 2012, 1:56 pm

    Also Jarhead I post something about this topic about a year ago. Here is the link

    http://3rdman-peacekeeper.blogspot.com/2011/03/american-law-enforcement-militarization.html

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    • Jason March 9, 2012, 5:20 pm

      Loved that Reagan quote on your blog – very ironic.

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      • 3rdMan March 10, 2012, 12:23 am

        Thanks Jason

        Reagan was the Man!

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        • Jason March 10, 2012, 12:27 pm

          I totally agree – Reagan was one of our best leaders in the truest sense of the word.

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  • extremesgs March 9, 2012, 3:33 pm

    Sam,

    No reason to think you did want to, but was avoiding saying something like “wow, what an ignorant ass” because that’s not how i roll :-)

    No, not how i would react. As should be clear by my responses, I’m not here or anywhere else looking for a fight or argument, and I don’t respond to being antagonized. I wouldn’t react that way for the same reason I’m not engaging in an argument with you about any of the nonsense you’re spewing: people with your attitude aren’t worth the energy.

    All you’ve managed to do thus far is prove my limited assessment. I thank you for that.

    I’ve wasted enough energy on this/you already. I’m done replying to this silliness…. back to the post i suppose.

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    • Brad in South FL March 9, 2012, 4:33 pm

      I have worked in LE for 18 years and never treated anyone poorly until they treated me poorly. A cool cigarette and a decent attitude will get you further than being an ass to someone. I also have to say that people run from the police, fight with the police and try to do the police harm. I say screw them and hey will get the same attention from me! Now after reading all the posts I am going ” up the screet to get me some scrimps fo dinner! If you need to call me I can be reached at fo fo fo- 1 oh fo-fo fo tree tree! I am going to some revelent place to eat pacifically speaking! Sorry had to get that in! Just a little street humor!

      Watch your backs and stay safe all!

      Brad

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      • Jason March 9, 2012, 5:16 pm

        That was funny Brad!!! I thought we be havin’ swimps & an extra well done steak – gettin’ what I’m layin’ down?

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        • Jason March 9, 2012, 5:18 pm

          Fogot the sixer of Old English tallboys to wash it down.

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  • sirlancelot March 9, 2012, 6:28 pm

    the police are just “officers of the court”. remember the old saying “tell it to the judge” ?

    carrying on about cops like their some omnipotent entity is silly.

    if you have a problem with the police file for your day in court. it’s that simple.

    for 99% of the public their only inter-action with police is a speeding ticket. nobody likes it, it sucks , but to carry on like some rabid loon about the country’s “police state” makes me think of some nut job
    out in a cabin writng his manifesto à la Ted Kaczynski.

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  • Adam March 9, 2012, 10:42 pm

    We treat people differently based on our perceptions, yes, our biases, and the respect given. Who do you honestly think deserves a ticket? The young man or woman who says “yes, Sir, sorry I know I was speeding, but I’m running late.” or “Yes, sir, I know my license plate is expired, but here is what I’m doing about it.” OR the person who immediately starts yelling and saying “None of your business!” “F you, pig!” etc? The good person will typically get off with a warning or a fix it ticket as opposed to the person who is disrespectful and mouthy. They will always get a ticket.

    I am required by law to fill out demographic information when I pull someone over for a traffic violation. That’s to ensure I don’t racially profile. So when I pull over someone for having an expired license plate, and the first words out of their mouth are “You only did this because I’m black” then yes, they will automatically get a ticket. It’s the same reason why I always give a female who cries a ticket. I stopped you for a legally valid and justifiable reason. It is my discretion whether or not to write you a ticket or not. I try to help good people out. Right now, I refuse to write people moving violations because the costs of the tickets have gotten out of hand (which is the court system, NOT the police department as they don’t see a dime of it.) I only write fix it tickets now or a ticket that is so egregious that something has to be done (reckless driving, etc). But attitude is everything. Be respectful and you will more than likely get respect in return. The cop who pulls you over does not know that you are a good person. If you act like a bad person, then expect to be treated like one too. I’ve been thanked by murders before because even though I see they have been arrested/convicted of murder, I still treat them with respect when I deal with them as long as it’s mutual.

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  • Adam March 9, 2012, 10:53 pm

    I just thought of a good example. Here is the scenario: The alarm at your house goes off. What do you expect the police to do when they arrive?

    A) Check all the doors and windows to make sure the house is secure.
    B) After completing A, if there is someone there, identify them to ensure they belong at the residence.
    C) Talk to whomever is there, but not identify them.
    D) Do nothing but drive by and go on their way.

    I would hope that people say B. Because if they do C and it turns out it was a burglar, the police department will eat that. Yet when the homeowner is there and does not want to identify themselves, that leads to problems. Sam, I’m sure you will think that you are at your own house on your own property, and aren’t required to identify yourself as it’s your house. The problem with that is how do the police know you belong there? It really is very simple. Show your ID and that you belong at that residence and the police leave, everyone is happy. Start a “I don’t have to show you that and identify myself” argument and it’ll become a lot worse. You will think you’re wronged when in actuality, the police are just making sure that you are who you say you are and they can go do something more productive.

    Think it doesn’t happen? It does and President Obama got involved saying the police acted stupidly. When in fact, the police acted as police all over the country act and how 99% of the homeowners would expect them to act in that situation.

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    • John March 10, 2012, 4:37 am

      Yep, I lost all respect for Obama at that point. He will never gain my respect again. He had no facts, no reports, not one shred of evidence. He not only made the situation racial, but he commented on something that had nothing to do with the role of the Federal Government. Ridiculous and stupid.

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    • Jason March 10, 2012, 12:45 pm

      Adam, These are the other options to your quiz:

      1. Arrive at the house with 12 other cruisers & lights in full strobe mode. Gather on the fenders with coffee & donuts & release the dogs to corner any human in the area. 

      2. Arrive in full SWAT gear, 25 strong & surround the house. Lob tear gas & flash bangs thru the windows & shoot whomever stumbles out in a daze. Plant a gun in their dead hand along with something of value from the house. Lastly, back date the “no knock” warrant.

      3. Drive on by & mail the homeowner a $400 citation for excessive noise. 

      4. Park, walk immediately to the main power supply, shut the house down & proceed with #3. 

      5. After laughing hysterically, radio your buddy who is actually in that house and tell him he’s got 3 minutes to get out before SWAT arrives & he ends up on America’s  Funniest Videos. 

      6. Ignore the call & continue on with your nap.   

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      • Adam March 11, 2012, 1:04 pm

        For a simple alarm call? Nope.

        For a Burglary in progress call it would be different. But screaming up to a house with lights and sirens on is idiotic. You tip off the burglar you’re coming.

        1. Not going to happen.
        2. Not going to happen.
        3. Not going to happen.
        4. Not going to happen.
        5. Not going to happen.
        6. It has been known to happen, but they end up getting written up.

        In probably 90% of the jurisdictions out there, they don’t even have 12 cops working in a county at any one time.

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        • Jason March 11, 2012, 5:05 pm

          Come on Adam, develop a sense of humor – it can lengthen life, reduce wrinkles & mitigate illness.

          Besides, these choices are all true. :-)

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  • 3rdMan March 10, 2012, 1:01 am

    I think it speak volumes to the fact so many LEOs are posting here. Maybe were not as different as you might think. The bottom line is respect. You give it and you shall receive it 99.9% of the time. As far as the comment about the hundreds of videos out there showing an officer doing something wrong, they are correct in that fact, but what they forgets to state is the other side of this issue. There are somewhere in the area of 250,000 traffic stop recorded by a dash cam everyday in the U.S. where the officers are doing their job the right way, but these do not make his case about abuse by LEOs. So leave that part out because it just might discredit their argument. So let be realistic about the abuse it happens but it is not SOP.

    Sam you said
    “Demilitarize the police. Stop it with the tactical garb. Sell the armored personnel carriers.” When did LEOs lose their 2nd ammendment rights because they made the choice to serve their community. The weapons LEOs carry are the same ones you can purchase. Hell you can even go out and buy an AV if you have the money. I will gladly leave my AR at the house the day criminals stop killing LEOs with AK47s and other high powered rifles in this country.
    Sam said:
    cops seem to believe that if they are in a seedy place they are allowed to treat people like animals.
    So Sam exactly what does a seedy place look like?

    Reading your comments Sam makes me wonder if your not a “Sovereign Citzen” type! Just my observation.

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    • sam March 13, 2012, 1:18 am

      i don’t entirely know what you mean by sovereign citizen-type, but i can tell you mean it as something bad. i pay taxes. i hold several licenses through the state in which i live. i avail myself of city services quite regularly. i even have an american flag tshirt.

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  • Twelvetoe March 10, 2012, 9:59 am

    Sam,
    Angry much? Dude you got to chill.
    Things for you to remember:

    1. You catch more flies with sugar than vinegar. This saying has been around forever and it simply means -Be nice. It seems that you are under the impression that by being nice you will be helping “The Man” to somehow falsely accuse you of something. You can disagree with anyone about anything and still be nice about it and not let the encounter degenerate into a shouting match.

    2. The golden rule – Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. You expect law enforcement to kiss your ass while you are shitting on their face. Not going to happen. If you want respect, give it. If you want answers, have a conversation instead of getting on your soap box. If you want to avoid arrest, don’t do anything that will get you arrested.

    3. It is easier to effect change from inside a system than from outside it. If you disagree with a system and you can use the rules of that system to get your point across it will be received much better than by standing outside the system and shouting about the injustice of it all. I am not talking about right or wrong here, I am talking about what approach gets the best results.
    And no, I am not in law enforcement.

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  • 3rdMan March 10, 2012, 2:48 pm

    Homeless men spring into action to assist with difficult arrest
    These guys are some real heros. Wonder if Sam would have help or just stood around in the McDonalds like the rest of the people did.

    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/09/10623034-homeless-men-spring-into-action-to-assist-with-difficult-arrest

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  • TOR March 10, 2012, 5:37 pm

    My goals have always been to avoid negative interactions with cops. Here are some things that help with this.

    Don’t look like a scumbag. A guy wearing a ratted out cut off NWA t shirt and baggy pants with a sideways hat is not going to get treated the same as a kid in a normal t shirt/ button up/ polo, and jeans that fit. Sorry, life is not fair but it is true. Cops inevitably profile.

    Don’t do things that seem (or are) sketchy. Don’t loiter in alleys at 3 am or whatever.

    Have a valid licence, insurance and registration if you are going to drive. This is the difference between a ticket which is a minor inconvenience and a huge hassle. Also when they impound your vehicle it would be inventoried (which means a search) that could be really problematic depending on your situation.

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  • how to get your man back March 21, 2012, 9:09 am

    It

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    • Jason March 21, 2012, 1:00 pm

      Well put.

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