Police Militarization and Attitude Is Getting Out of Control

Let me start this post out by talking about the good guys. There are many cops out there today that are decent folk who actually care about protecting the general population. Every day they go up against bad people who’d love nothing more than to see them on the sidewalk with a bullet in their head. I can understand how this would make a person paranoid and this article has nothing to do with you guys and gals out there, getting the job done in the face of adversity day after day.

This post has more to do with politics and the militarization of the police force today. I wrote a post about this awhile back, but I’d like to explore it in a little more depth as new events transpire in this grand country of ours. There was a recent article in the news about military gear coming back from the Middle East and being given to police departments across the country. All they have to do is some paperwork and pretty soon they’ve got an LAV (light armored vehicle) rolling up to their doorstep.

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Don’t get me wrong. I have nothing against police arriving on the scene of a shootout in an armored vehicle that will help keep them safe. The inherent problem with this type of gear, and SWAT teams in general, is this: once you have it you have the urge to use it. If you don’t use it you lose it, right?

Many of the smaller towns and cities don’t need these kinds of elite teams around, but nonetheless many have them. If there’s a hostage situation and there’s need of a SWAT team I hope there’s one nearby to help get matters sorted out. If a couple of crazies go on a rampage like those two guys in California years ago we’ll want a special weapons team to take them down.

But lately there’s been a rash of injuries and deaths due to SWAT teams breaking down doors during no-knock entries. A lot of the entries happen because of drug searches. Unfortunately, many times the information they’re moving on is flawed and innocent people find themselves at the end of a gun with the family dog dead. All a cop has to say is, “I was afraid for my life,” and he has carte blanch to shoot your dog. They can also use that same argument for you.


The SWAT team was first developed in response to the bell tower shooting back in 1954. It was shown that if a team with special weapons and tactics were on hand during that emergency it most likely would have ended sooner than it did.

It wasn’t until the war on drugs that things really started to spiral out of control. These days all you need is someone to point a finger at a house and say, “There’s drugs in there,” and they have the right to break your door in and put your family under the gun. If you’re really smart you won’t try and defy them. When you’ve got six or ten guys with assault weapons running through your house all charged up it wouldn’t take much for an accident to happen. I’ve read comments from readers who say, “They better never try that at my house or I’ll shoot the bastards,” and other stupid stuff. First, if you pull a wallet out of your pocket during this tense time you’re likely to take a bullet or twenty. I’d say your best chance of surviving with minimal injuries is just do whatever it is they want and hope you do it fast enough. You figure out the right and wrong of it later. Let me assure you that when someone is holding a machine gun on you that he is going to be right – even when he’s wrong.

Thirty years ago cops didn’t have the same tactical gear they have today with the exception of the SWAT teams. Nowadays many cops have “tacticool” gear. Black military looking uniforms and tactical weapons are common place.

Innocent Victims

Accidents happen. Even with the best planning and training they still happen, but in my mind it’s what happens after that really counts. Awhile back a SWAT team performed a no-knock raid on a house a family displaced by fire were staying in. As they went in they threw a flash grenade into the house and unfortunately it landed in the baby’s crib. When it went off it caused serious injuries to his face and chest.

Now this is bad. Really bad. As the father of a 2 ½ year old I have to tell you I cringed when I read this story.

Then the mother starts asking for her baby and the cops tell her to shut up and sit down. One of the cops grabs the infant and takes him outside and disappears. When the mother goes out all she sees is a puddle of blood on the ground. Later on they catch up with the baby at the hospital and he’s in a medically induced coma.

So far, state and federal agents, including the Georgie Bureau of Investigations and investigators from two district attorneys’ offices, have found no wrongdoing in last month’s predawn raid.

At a news conference Tuesday, the tot’s father, Bounkham Phonesavanh said the officers who lobbed the explosive into his sleeping child’s playpen showed no remorse afterward, and lied to he and his wife about the extent of his injuries, saying the boy had only lost a tooth, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported.

“The officers cursed and yelled at us and threatened to arrest me after we expressed our concern for our son,” Phonesavanh said, according to NBC Atlanta.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/parents-toddler-injured-flash-bang-botched-raid-call-justice-article-1.1825366#ixzz35s2y44eX

It’s terrible that these things happen, but what I find especially detestable is the complete lack of accountability for their actions. No wrongdoing was found and apologies are almost never given in these situations. I believe it’s because people believe an apology is the same as an admission to guilt and they don’t want to go down that path as it might boomerang back on them in a court of law.

Whatever happened to accountability?

One of the first things I learned in boot camp that stuck with me is that you are accountable for your actions. The DI’s didn’t want to hear excuses and we quickly learned not to even try. If you screwed up and the DI called you on it you said, “The private screwed up, Sir!”

It seems that accountability in these situations is nowhere to be found giving the SWAT teams the belief that sometimes you gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet. It might not be that big a deal to you… until you’re one of the eggs. Think it couldn’t happen to you? Think again. It can happen to anybody. There are many documented cases of people being pulled over for traffic violations and being subjected to cavity searches because they were acting suspicious according to the arresting officers.

Dangerous Situations

What about the danger to police officers who are involved in “no knock” warrants? In this case an officer was killed conducting a no knock search of a guy’s house. The man’s crime? He was accused of having some pot plants and illegal weapons at his house. After the raid they found that he had four weapons legally owned and the pot was only a misdemeanor amount. They could have taken the guy when he went to the store to buy beer, but instead they bang on the door of someone they know to have guns. When the police came through the door the guy picked up a gun and started shooting and killed an officer. The cops then file a murder charge against the man, which were later dropped.

I could totally see myself doing something like that. Imagine waking up and there are guys with guns trying to get into your house. You hear a shot and your dog is killed and men are yelling and brandishing guns. The first thing I’d do is go for a gun too because who the hell but a bad guy is going to be breaking down your door in the middle of the night?

It’s tragic that this officer had to die and I hope that these kinds of raids are looked at more closely before it happens again.

Police Brutality

These kinds of weapons and training have a tendency to spill over into everyday life as well. There has been an increasing feeling of “us against them” among police against citizens in the last twenty or thirty years. To be fair to the police in question, I’ve watched many videos about police brutality and a lot of them are citizens baiting cops until something occurred, and many times that something wasn’t even what I’d consider brutality. Other times it’s exactly what it looks like. A cop gets mad or thinks there’s been some challenge to his or her authority and lashes out at a cuffed or otherwise defenseless victim and hurts or even kills them.

These are just the times when the officers are being over enthusiastic. This doesn’t touch on the aspect when it’s outright abuse of their power. It seems like recently there have been many more instances of police brutality. Some offices have a shorter fuse than others and it doesn’t take much for them to snap and cause you serious injury or even death.

Many times officers will be beating someone and yelling, “Stop resisting!” as they continue to beat the victim into unconsciousness or sometimes to death. It’s as if by shouting these magic words for any cameras or bystanders they’ll be able to justify what they did when the case goes to court.

Again, many times the officer is found not to be responsible and walks away with nothing, not even a reprimand.

Many cops today feel that because they wear a badge they’re entitled to respect, but a lot of times I don’t respect the man behind the badge. Here’s an example recently that happened to my wife’s friend. This woman’s mother hurt herself with a saw of some kind. She sustained serious cuts to her fingers and lost the tips of one or two others. The husband – a man in his 70’s – put her in the car and started driving her to the hospital. On the way he saw a police officer on the side of the road in town and rolled down his window and asked if the cop could escort them to the hospital about two miles up the road. Instead the cop ordered him to pull over. The man decided to keep on going so he could get his wife to the hospital before she lost more blood. The cop followed them the whole distance to the hospital, inadvertently doing exactly what the older gentleman had requested in the first place and clearing traffic for them. When they got to the emergency department the cop hauled the guy out of the car, threw him over the hood, wrenched his arms behind his back causing injury, kicking his legs apart causing more injury, and finally cuffing him in the parking lot. In the meantime the guy is yelling at his wife to go inside and get treatment before she passed out. The cop couldn’t have cared less about the injured woman instead focusing on the fact that this old man had dared defy his order to pull over. An 8 year old boy seated in the Emergency Room saw the incident and once the elder gentleman was allowed in to see his wife the little boy went up and said, “Geez mister, I’m real sorry that happened.” The police have yet to apologize. My wife was astounded by the story. I wasn’t.

It could be that the officer in this example saw the blood (the woman showed the officer her bandaged and bleeding hand) and wanted to investigate what was going on before taking them to the hospital; however a simple line of reasoning may have helped his decision making process. First, the man came to the officer and asked for help. He didn’t try to sneak by and wasn’t waving a gun or otherwise being threatening. Second, the officer saw her injured hand (she held it up for the officer to see that there was a legitimate problem.) Third, even if the older guy had caused the injury he was asking for help getting to the hospital. I would have helped them get there first then figured out what was going on once the woman was getting the medical attention she obviously needed.

In the grand scheme of things this is a small matter, but I tell the story for two reasons. First, it’s local and I know people peripherally involved in the matter, and second, it’s indicative of an attitude by the police that people are generally scumbags until proven otherwise. Even then the civilian has probably done something to deserve the treatment they’ve received. I’ve known several police officers over the years and this attitude was prevalent in them and their friends. One guy I knew who was a former Force Recon Marine used to tell me how he loved Saturday nights because he got to beat drunk people up. He loved to go “drunk beating” as he called it.

Don’t think it’s just here in the United States either. This goes on all over the world.

I often wonder if the need for military style weapons is a response to more violent crimes and more dangerous people the police have to deal with today. If you deal with criminals all day every day it’s bound to give you a jaded view point after awhile. Here in the United States many people own weapons and it may be the police feel the need to have bigger and better guns and equipment just to stay ahead.

Another thing that is likely causing this type of behavior is simply a lack of training on how to handle these kinds of situations. Also, if the office were to be held financially accountable for medical bills for cases involving this kind of police crime maybe it would keep them in check. Right now the tax payers or the victim bears the financial responsibility.


Lately the media and the ability of everybody to take videos of these events have cast the militarization in a negative light. When twenty cops in riot gear use pepper spray on a peaceful crowd it doesn’t look good for the police.

But let’s not forget that not all cops are like this and most of the men and women out there serving are doing a fine job. A few bad apples make the rest look bad and that’s not always the case.

I still tell my kids to find a police officer if they ever get lost, because if you can’t trust a cop to do right who can you trust?

Questions? Comments?

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-Jarhead Survivor


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61 comments… add one
  • Hillbilly July 7, 2014, 12:05 am

    I tell my kids to find a fireman never a cop! All encounters with a cop could go sideways you have a 50/50 chance.

  • MilSpecIA July 7, 2014, 6:18 am

    I wrote a similar article some time ago pertaining to the escalation of police forces in the past several years. There’s a lot of research that shows its getting out of hand. http://wp.me/p45P9s-5Y

  • Roseman July 7, 2014, 7:14 am

    An article this weekend in several media outlets told of the suspension of the weapons program by the pentagon to local law enforcement.
    Why have they done this? Is it in any way attributed to abuses?
    Jarhead, go to the huffingpost.com for the link. I do not know how to put the it up.

    • 3rdMan July 9, 2014, 1:39 pm

      No it has to do with the an EPA regulation.

    • 3rdMan July 9, 2014, 1:39 pm

      No it has to do with an EPA regulation.

  • Tom July 7, 2014, 7:31 am

    If your situation has already reached the point where you are detained, STOP TALKING! other than giving your name and one account of the FACTS not your opinions. You will not sway anyone charged with the responsibility they have by chatting them up. They will decide the outcome not you, go with the flow and remember your recourse is in court ( much later) not then.

  • s florida jimmy July 7, 2014, 7:45 am

    Maybe the bad attitude some officers have is caused by the steroid usage. Seems most LEO’s I see are bulked up like the hulk. I’m sorry, but I don’t think that happens naturally no matter how many weights you lift.

  • Dave July 7, 2014, 7:46 am

    Yes…who CAN you trust…

  • Dave July 7, 2014, 7:47 am

    Not a bad article….but…
    Yes…who CAN you trust…

  • Templar July 7, 2014, 8:26 am

    “Officer safety” is NOT the top priority of a police officer. CITIZEN safety is. We’re not sworn to serve & protect ourselves. If I ever hear one of my officers saying that his safety is most important, I’ll give him an opportunity to sell insurance for a living.

    • Bill July 13, 2014, 8:59 am

      Templar – Thank you! You’re one of the good ones and we need more like you.

  • Templar July 7, 2014, 8:31 am

    “Officer safety” is NOT the most important thing for a police officer– CITIZEN safety is. We’re not sworn to serve & protect ourselves. If I ever hear one of my officers saying his safety is most important, I’ll give him an opportunity to sell insurance for a living.

  • Mike the Gardener July 7, 2014, 8:42 am

    I have a lot of friends who are police officers and they are good people. Do the job they signed up to do. But there are others that think that police badge all of sudden made them an elite fighting machine or an instant CIA undercover killer agent.

    With that said, you have to trust the police. There has to be some police trust somewhere and I truly believe the “system” will weed out the Jason Statham wannabe’s

  • Adam July 7, 2014, 9:07 am

    As a police officer I was sickened by the SWAT raid where the infant was injured and their comments. I don’t know enough of the facts to say whether they should be held criminally liable, but they certainly should be liable for the medical bills of the infant. I am sure that wasn’t intentional and mistakes happen, just accept responsibility for them.

    Many drug dealers do have weapons now. Some have rifles and nearly all have handguns. It is safer to exeucte the search warrant when the dealer is inside because they are contained. There is no car chase or shoot out on the street. No knock does not mean the police don’t identify themselves, just that they don’t knock on the door first. They are still announcing themselves etc.

    Police have had military weapons for ages (for example
    Thompson machine guns back in the day). Not every cop has one. Do I think every department needs a swat team or an armored vehicle? No I do not. No use of force looks pretty on camera. Can you differentiate a hammer strike to the nerve up on the shoulder compared to a strike to the head? From a distance probably not. When cops do go overboard they should be held accountable.

    • Jarhead Survivor July 7, 2014, 9:30 am

      Great comment, Adam. I appreciate the perspective of you LE readers. Good, bad or indifferent I like to get the feedback.

  • Joel July 7, 2014, 9:46 am

    These good officers that you speak of, where are they? They can’t be found standing up and taking responsibility for their departments. They can’t be found riding herd on their brothers and sisters who are abusing the badge. They can’t be found speaking out against blatant cases of injustice. They can’t even be found policing their own in any of the hundreds upon hundreds of cases of official oppression, brutality, rape, extortion, or even murder.

    So, I ask again, where are these “good cops” you speak of? If they are not willing to take a stand against injustice, pursue criminals, regardless of said criminal’s position, employment status, or friends, or generally stand up for what is right, I humbly submit that they are not “good cops” at all. Anyone willing to stand idly by and watch their fellow officers break the very laws that they are sworn to uphold is, in my opinion, worse than the officer breaking the law in the first place. Not only is that officer condoning that criminal activity, they are actively encouraging it by keeping their mouth shut.

    You show me a cop that is willing to stand up for what is right, regardless of whether the perpetrator wears the same uniform, and I will readily admit that there is at least one good cop out there. Until then, don’t tell me about “good cops” that are getting a bad reputation because of a few bad apples.

    Here’s another lesson you should remember from basic, “Police up your own.”

    • Jeremy July 7, 2014, 10:21 pm

      As a former soldier, brother in law to a LEO, and brother in law to a prosecutor I can tell you where the “good cops” are. They are doing what they are supposed to be doing. They aren’t talking to the media about things they were not involved in. The ones who were involved? They likely have specific orders, yes orders, not to speak to the media. When you make the choice to join a law enforcement organization, it is similar to signing up for the military. You will be asked to put yourself in harms way in the protection of others. You will be told what you are doing, and where you will be doing it. Before you pass judgement based on an opinion colored by perception, realize that every major crime against humanity was perpetrated by a significant minority of a group, not by the majority. The holocaust, Tienamin square, stalin and the gulags (not sure what to refer to it as), the killing fields, Rwanda, jihadi bombings. All from the radical minority. The squeaky gear gets the oil, and social media and news outlets love to squeak about “bad cops”.

      • Joel July 8, 2014, 12:07 am

        I am a former soldier as well, and I too have friends and family family that wear the badge. The fact that I love and respect my friends and family does not change my opinion of the overall state of affairs of law enforcement in this country. As for speaking to the media, I really could care less. The problem is that these things are not being resolved. The vast majority of the time, officers involved are given paid leave until the public outcry dies down, then reinstated, and often promoted. Had a mere civilian performed the acts that earned the officer a suspension, they would be in jail in short order. The badge does not grant anyone extra rights. Period. Unfortunately for the public at large, that is all too often not the case.

        Here is a very short list of cases from just this past week. There are many more that I haven’t linked, and even more that go unreported because there is minimal accountability in every single law enforcement agency in this country.

        July 6, 2014
        Veteran Unlawfully Detained, Disarmed, and Arrested.

        July 5, 2014
        Man arrested for asking questions.

        July 5, 2014
        Officers shoot a man’s dog, after illegally entering his property.

        July 5, 2014
        Cop Throws Barefoot Woman on the Ground, Repeatedly Beats Her in the Head

        July 4, 2014
        16 year old boy beaten and choked out because officer thinks he smelled weed.

        July 4, 2014
        Officer violently pushes paraplegic man in wheelchair over. Icing on the cake, he gets a brief suspension and keeps his job.

        July 3, 2014
        Family Calls 9-1-1 as Son Threatens Suicide, Cops Show Up and Kill Him

        July 3, 2014
        Redondo Beach Police Violently Attack Female Bike Theft Victim

        July 3, 2014
        Man beaten for sleeping on the train on His Way Home From Work

        July 2, 2014
        Woman harassed at her home by the FBI because she participated in a peaceful protest.

        July 1, 2014
        Cop convicted of planning to kidnap, cook, and eat women has conviction overturned on one judge’s opinion.

        July 1, 2014
        Cop blatantly refuses to do his job because one party is legally filming the encounter.

        July 1, 2014
        Police Arrest Paraplegic Man For Considering Himself a Pedestrian, slam him face first into the ground.

        The “good cops” know who the bad apples are. Instead of doing their jobs and taking down criminals (regardless of whether they wear a badge to work) they choose every single day to toe the “thin blue line” and keep their mouths shut for the sake of a paycheck. “I’m just following orders,” is a bullshit excuse. Legally, that statement is unacceptable, as established at the Nuremburg trials. Additionally, that precedent has been upheld in courts all over this country. Illegal orders are not enforceable in any organization based on U.S. soil. Even the UCMJ holds personnel accountable for following illegal orders. These police officers are no different. They took an oath to uphold the law. In reality, they are breaking that oath every single time they either actively cover for, or turn a blind eye to, crimes perpetrated by others wearing a badge.

        *I attempted to link to all of these incidents (in most cases youtube video) however the comment did not post. It shouldn’t take very much effort at all to find the stories mentioned.

  • NoSox July 7, 2014, 10:03 am

    Maaaan i just saw the Oscar Grant shooting and it breaks my heart. Things have gotten out of control and we the people have and continue to allow it to do so. The cop involved was charged with manslaughter and came home in ONE YEAR

  • NoSox July 7, 2014, 10:04 am

    Maaaan i just saw the Oscar Grant shooting and it breaks my heart. Things have gotten out of control and we the people have and continue to allow it to do so. The cop involved was charged with manslaughter and came home in ONE YEAR after killing a handcuffed man in cold blood …on tape! Ugh

  • Stephen July 7, 2014, 10:40 am

    Here’s my story. Cops were completely in the wrong. All they had to do was ask where I was going and I would of told them. http://www.copblock.org/tag/steve-titus/

    • Jarhead Survivor July 7, 2014, 11:08 am

      Wow Stephen! That’s quite a story. Glad you got off, but too bad it probably cost you and arm and a leg in attorneys fees.

  • Richard July 7, 2014, 10:54 am

    Very well written. I enjoyed the post. Thank you

  • Leon July 7, 2014, 11:02 am

    Well thought out and provocative. I know a lot of good cops. For years, I covered courts and cops as a newspaperman. Where I lived, I found the police to be dedicated, decent people.
    There is a large criminal justice curriculum at the community college where I work, and a lot of very dedicated men and women studying to become police officers. But there are also those with a visible chip on their shoulders.
    Beware of the person who sees a law enforcement career as a way to make up for other inadequacies in his/her life. These people will go on to become the bad cops.

  • Anonymous July 7, 2014, 11:39 am

    For the most part, this is a very fair and good look at the state of policing today. Two things. First, the flashbang incident is being investigated, and an administrator and a magistrate connected to the case has resigned even before the investigation is complete. They are holding information very close, to avoid tainting any charges that may be filed later, so I do not know specifics, but it is not fair to say that no action is being taken, just because the investigations are taking time, as investigations generally do. As far as the old man and the woman: If that cop had given emergency escort to that car and there had been a wreck, the officer would have been liable for all of it. If the injury was bad enough for the me for an “emergency escort”, then an ambulance should have been called to the scene, which I guarantee was what the officer was going to do. Perhaps the officer was hyped up after the car chase and treated the man rougher than needed, but aside from that, the response sounds textbook. Imagine the dangers of a 70 year old man driving at high speeds into a congested area (as hospitals often are) with no warning to other motorists. Emergency responders (here at least) have annual training on emergency vehicle operation and due regard, and are generally much younger than 70 and have lights and sirens to alert other traffic to their presence. The man had no right to endanger the rest of his community by doing what he did, and the cop rightly tried to remove that danger, which is the most basic job description of a police officer.

  • smokechecktim July 7, 2014, 11:58 am

    There are and always will be good and bad. Be it cops, car salesmen, whatever. Most police have a barrage of tests, both physical and mental, that try to weed out the ones who just want a badge so they can lord over others. Unfortunately the police have to pick from humans, and we all know that some people will get through the system who shouldn’t. Sometimes cops do cover for each other, it’s wrong but human nature is what it is and I have known officers who got fired, for covering up wrongdoing. Out here in Socal I can list 5 or six incidents in the last year where the Officer lost his job. One for trying to get sexual favors from DUI suspects( in jail for 10 years). Three LA officers who lost their jobs for getting into fights at a bar, ETC. If you consider that there are probably 40 to 50 swat incidents everyday that go well and don’t make the media, the wrong ones are few. I agree when you screw up, man up and say it was screwed up and hopefully lessons can be learned that will prevent it from happening in the future. I don’t know any officer that would try to injure a innocent child or adult on purpose. I have heard of a few and most of them were quietly removed. When you drive down the street as a cop you are a target. Everybody knows who you are, but you don’t know who the bad guys are and yes this can make you a little paranoid at times. The best advice is to follow the officers directions and sort it out later.

    • Joel July 7, 2014, 10:01 pm

      Yep, be calm and compliant. That worked out beautifully for Kelly Thomas and so many more…

  • Bama Griz July 7, 2014, 12:40 pm

    In my 56 years of existence I have had two police traffic encounters that I took to court. In BOTH instances the officers blatantly LIED to obtain a conviction. Obviously I have little trust on any future encounters.

    • James July 9, 2014, 1:45 pm

      Or maybe you were the one lying, but than again you never have lied!!!!! Yeh Right!

  • chilichef July 7, 2014, 12:51 pm

    Even ‘good’ cops can do something bad. They’re trained to react and be aggressive. We had local case in Lake co., Florida, long story short is police went looking for murder suspect, found his cycle parked outside a door, police knock on door at 2 AM, without announcing who they were, homeowner (NOT the suspect), maybe not unreasonably, comes to door with gun and opens it, and police shoot him. Now, cops had wrong door; and I understand WHY they might not want to announce themselves to suspected murderer; nonetheless, an innocent man was killed by the police. Somebody pounds on my door at 2 AM I am going to be nervous; he probably should have dialed 911 to report it instead of going to door with gun, though. But I can understand why he did it. If you google Andrew Lee Scott the details are all over the internet. Bad cops? Not really; but they’re trained in such a way as to want to overwhelm the bad guys, and instead of announcing themselves they wanted to capture the murderer; but instead they wound up shooting someone else.

  • Libertarian July 7, 2014, 3:44 pm

    This blog entry supports an article by Charles W. Cooke in National Review although in my opinion Mr. Cooke does is on the right track as are others here but falls FAR short of fully illustrating an objective article.


    I think dealing with FACT is of prime importance. That being said, let me bring to the readers attention the FBI definition of Domestic Terrorism.

    “Domestic terrorism” means activities with the following three characteristics:

    Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;
    Appear intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination. or kidnapping; and
    Occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S.


    The above definition applies to ALL individuals regardless of the clothing/uniform they wear or who or what employs them.

    I personally DO NOT see how you cannot arrive at the logical conclusion that ANYONE who engages in the above can be labeled ANYTHING but a TERRORIST. ANYONE who works with or provides ANY material support to a TERRORIST IS a TERRORIST.

    Either you stand FOR the rule of law or you stand against it.

    In this case I believe the shoe not only fits but appears to be custom made for the police who wear them.

    “To protect and serve” has morphed into “Punish and enslave”.

    Call a spade a spade………call a domestic terrorist EXACTLY what they ARE…..TERRORISTS. They behave NO differently than the muslim version.

    Ask yourself just WHO has caused you personally more grief, expense, and damages in your life? “Muslim terrorists” or the police????

    In my opinion the ONLY thing that will effectively deal with abuses such as this is stripping “limited/sovereign immunity” from not only the police but ALL public officials to provide EQUAL protection under law.

    Again, in my opinion there is NO such thing as a good cop. If you work as a cop you WILL see abuses of the law and of the public. If you fail to take action to stop and arrest the offender, YOU are just as liable/guilty and part of the problem.

    Read your history. Brown Shirts are making a BIG comeback.

  • Pineslayer July 7, 2014, 4:24 pm

    No comment, I don’t want Dick Cheney’s thugs knocking on my door.

  • Snake Plisken July 7, 2014, 5:52 pm

    I got SWATed 3 weeks ago by our local police/military. I won’t get into the details but let me say this: the threat my room mate made to a person who owes me money turned into a full blown military weapons style attack on my home. The person who stated that there was a hand gun involved flat out lied. That allowed the SWAT team to roll in with 16 ( yes sixteen officers ) 4 of whom had AR 15’s. Being a CCW holder and a big fan of the Bill of rights and Constitution I am pretty familiar with my rights and state law concerning firearms. The cops/military people were very rough on my room mate because he was acting like a fool and threatening them although he’s only 5’6″ and 145 lbs. he didn’t pose a threat to a cop in full blown body armor especially when he was cuffed. I got very nasty treatment from the a hole sargeant even though I was completely co operative and allowed him to search my house. They even brought a K9 dog to search the house and found nothing other than a CO2 BB gun which the complaintants claimed was the gun supposedly pulled on them so they confiscated it. A hole cop left and the other two cops who were waiting while the K9 did it’s sweep were embarrassed by the A holes demeanor. I understand the good cop/bad cop scenario and that may have been what really pissed off the Sarge. The dude was clearly looking for a fight and i wouldn’t give it to him. Bottom line is my concealed carry was left on the shelf ( where I keep it when not wearing it ), People lied and someone could have died, the Sarge definetly hates people in my neighborhood, and the cops/military are fully prepared to overwhelm and detain/kill citizens if they think you need put down. I know three of the 16 cops who showed up ( I live in a community of 30K ) and we stood around shooting the bull crap afterwards and I know they vouched for me when Sarge was on his roid rage and I appreciate that. I do. I reckon Sarge was pissed off because I KNOW my rights and I also know that I had to be calm and collected or somebody could get hurt or worse. Funny thing though. I told Sarge that I was fully aware of my 4th amendment rights and he said he knew the 4th better than I did. I said ” well good for you, but aren’t you way too young to be taught that in school? ” I guess he was 30 or so and military in a war zone at some point.

    Young cops worry me. Most are military and who knows what horrors they’ve seen overseas. They haven’t had an abundant amount of life experiences like I have in order to act in mature and effective fashion when confronted with an adverse situation. I do understand that today’s cops are responding to ever increasing violent situations especially the younger cops around here who don’t grow up here and don’t make the effort to get to know us semi rural rednecks. I was a LEO in AZ in the early 80’s in my home town and and when we’d respond to a call with firearms involved ( not very often BTW ) and we’d respond with two officers and 870 Remington pump shot guns. Never had to draw down on anyone because we knew them and could talk them out of their tree with no incidence of violence.

    To continue my rant: I think 90% of cops today are afraid of getting physical with a suspect. Not sure why that is but based on what I’m seeing of LEO’s on youtube and my own personal experience, cops seem to be afraid of engaging in a hands on confrontation and take the easy way out. Few seem to be the stand up knock ’em down and cuff them anymore like when I was in my prime. Hell, they’ll kill your golden retriever just because the dog is protecting it’s property.

    Not all cops are bad, this is very true. But, the militarization of our local police creates group think and lack of common sense.

    I did ask one of the cops where the MRAP was and got a big laugh out of him.

    Snake Plisken

    • Mark July 9, 2014, 1:51 pm

      I like the comment:
      “I was completely co operative and allowed him to search my house.”

      I hate to tell if they had a search warrant you really had no say at that point. Sounds like your friend may need to rethink a different approach on getting your money. This approach did not work out so well for him.

  • Steve suffering in nj July 7, 2014, 7:58 pm

    Sorry but there’s no damn reason to send a swat team to someone’s home for an drug offense. Pick the person up as they are walking to there car and get a search warrant for the house.
    The whole swat thing blows my mind. It’s such a dangerous practice for everyone involved. People in the home and the officers. No knock raids? Really? Talk about just asking for an armed confrontation!!!
    Come on guys, from the comments left here it sounds like some of you are LEO. What would you guys do if your family was home and someone kicked in your door unannounced at the wee hours of the AM? I know what you would do as a father and husband. Not to mention when they get the wrong home….. The citizens are not the enemy. We are increasingly being treated as such. This overly aggressive posturing is what upsets most people. Listen if someone gets out of line or physical yes shut them down. But don’t expect people to kiss your ring. Treat people with respect and you will be respected. People want to trust the police. Want to work with them and generally cooperate. When there’s a total lack of respect for the citizen your working for, yes I said it citizen who employs you and pays taxes for your paychecks that’s when problems start. I don’t understand the need to be so aggressive to “control the situation”. Really? Seems to me like you really can’t control the situation and are using intimidation to try and creat the illusion of being in control. You can easily be in control, be firm and assertive and not be a A-hole.
    Local police are working to secure our communities. The vast majority of the people living there want the same thing!! Were on the same side!! If I rolled through a stop sign or forgot to send in my registration renewal that doesn’t change the fact that were on the same damn side!! How about treating people with a little respect?
    Bottom line were not your enemy. If your paranoid maybe LEO isn’t for you. Treat people with some respect. Realize you are not our lords or rulers. Seems to me the standards for who is chosen for the profession have slipped.
    I would like to take an opportunity to thank the men and women who do there jobs in a professional manor. You are appreciated and respected by your communities for doing so.

  • sirlancelot July 7, 2014, 11:34 pm

    Police are just a slice of our society. The good,bad and the ugly.

    Say nothing, wait for your day in court and most likely walk out a free man if in fact there was true error in your detainment.

    All that military surplus needs maintenance and most likely will end up rusting out back of the police station in a couple years.

  • Roger July 7, 2014, 11:37 pm

    I know my paranoia is showing but remember Ruby Ridge where a mother holding her infant was gunned down in cold blood, and the LEO/sniper was promoted for his actions, or Waco, TX where a compound with numerous women and children were burned to death. I watched the video that showed the ‘tear gas’ tank reversing out of a building with flaming liquid dripping from the end of it’s barrel, hardly an accident! WE ARE the enemy of those excuses-for-humans that do such things! The fact that too many of those EFH’s are wearing badges is definitely a ‘basis for paranoia’. When a cop approaches me with hand-on-gun or with shotgun in hands, yea, I tend to get a little apprehensive; especially if there are no obvious witnesses, since he/she could murder me in cold blood and make up any lie they want to and please don’t tell that doesn’t happen! In the end you have to choose whether you’re willing to accept responsibility for your own defense or walk around, pants at half mast, orifice well lubricated and take what is coming, and don’t forget to smile and say thank you! The rich are getting much RICHER and the poor are getting screwed more now than perhaps ever in history, recorded or not! Good Luck! (you’re going to need it!)

    • Robert July 9, 2014, 2:28 pm

      Ruby Ridge was a tragedy, but the woman and children did not burn to death as result of LE at Waco. There was no flammable liquid being pumped in. The fire started from the lanterns inside when they started punch hole in the wall while deploying the tear gas and they were knocked over. The follower were shot in the back of the head and had no smoke in their lung. Even David Koresh had a bullet to the back of his head. I know what your going to say ” A .gov hit squad went in and killed Koresh because he was really the Messiah and the .gov could not let that get out”. Now with that out of the way they were dead before even the smoke and fire reached them. The image of flaming liquid has been debunked as sunlight reflection by different cameras recording the event from different angles.

      • Roger July 10, 2014, 5:03 pm

        Please believe me when I say that IMO David Koresh was, in all likelihood an egotistic, self-deluded fool, who like too many unstable people are able to convince others that they are somehow special, even divine (does the name Hitler ring a bell). Did I know him personally, NO, but I’m quite familiar with the holier-than-thou personality of these sorts of people! As far as the woman and children, (and maybe some of the men) whether they died, (correction were murdered) by being burned to death or they died from bullet wound or smoke inhalation, the point is that they were murdered by our illustrious government using a pile driver to crack an egg! Assuming that Koresh was guilty of the charges being used to attack the ‘religious’ compound, why were all the occupants put to death! As far as the ‘image of flaming liquid’ being debunked, by whom, the very government that was trying to cover up it’s own massive mistakes! Sunlight reflection my left cheek (the posterior one), I have seen a fair amount of fires in my time and even if somehow the ‘flaming liquid’ was lamp oil, why, pray tell, were the tanks (YES, TANKS) smashing in walls apparently not knowing what was on the other side (perhaps a child hiding under a bed, they wouldn’t know, would they) and surely, as appears to be SOP in siege situations, the ‘authorities’ would have cut the electrical power (assuming they had any), thus leaving the occupants with no light except probably candle or oil lamp light! Those old wooden buildings such looked flammable to me! IMO, the government screwed up royally, and decided to burn down the compound to erase or at least reduce the evidence of an incident that had already become a three-ring circus with them as the main clown act! But, as previously stated, my paranoia is doubtlessly showing. The one thing the government do accomplice with their act of mass murder was to make them martyrs to the ever-growing anti-government movement! Thank you for that! Good Luck! (and keep your powder dry, you’re going to need it!)

  • Butch July 8, 2014, 10:27 am

    Last year, I was driving and a patrol car failed to stop at stop sign. He didn’t even slow down or look. I was lucky to avoid the collision, almost rolling my truck. What did I get for proper defensive driving? A $135 summons. I filed complaint and shockingly they found he did nothing wrong. Dashcam was turned off. That alone is against the regs.

  • kevin July 8, 2014, 10:32 am

    ill say it out loud right now I DO NOT CARE if it a cop or not somebody comes here threatening me and mine they have better be ready for a fight to the death and if they shoot the dog I WILL shoot them

  • Ray July 8, 2014, 10:35 am

    There are two kinds of badge Nazis, Total scum ,child raping , death squad members, that do anything they wish , no matter how evil, and the trash that protects them from the Justus that they deserve. They are an enemy army that murders, rapes ,steals,and tortures , with the full knowledge and approval of both there superiors and the governments that they serve. They do every evil with total impunity ,knowing that no matter how evil, sick , or criminal they become that “the badge” and “the blue wall” will protect them. The entire “court” or “Justus system” is corrupted by this endless and bottomless evil. They say that “badges don’t convey special protections” , but its not true . You speak of “good cops”. Do you mean the officers that help cover up murder? or rape? or child murder ,theft ,false swearing, evidence planting, serial murder, child abuse, beatings, torture, drug abuse, child rape and extortion. Because every person that puts on the badge will be expected to do one or more of those things or help cover them up. The police are a criminal street gang working for the “elected” scum as enforcers. The police have behaved like this for as long as organized police departments have existed. No one cared as long as the abuse was confined to the “Wops” the “wetbacks” the “spicks” the Ni****s, “the hillbillies” and the “poor white trash”. But now they treat EVERYONE with equal violence ,and suddenly there is a “problem”?–How interesting.

  • Mike July 8, 2014, 10:33 pm

    I disagree. Week after week, its a new story about a cop killing or beating a innocent person , or shooting the family dog in front of children, or groping women drivers after they have been pulled over. Every week, and I do mean every week, another renegade cop gets away with killing someone. I am glad the cop got killed in the no knock raid. My only thought was he only got one. You think I am a bad person for this, but who is speaking for all the innocent people every week. They laugh and comment on how much they scare people. So what, they killed someone who was innocent, all in a days work for the goon squad. sorry, if these police were on fire in the desert, i would not piss on them to put them out.

    • Tucker July 11, 2014, 9:08 am

      I have zero sympathy for any cops who get killed these days.

      These tales we keep hearing and seeing people post to comment sections where they try to defend cops and spew their lies about the vast majority of them being ‘good guys’ and how we shouldn’t judge them all for the actions of a ‘few bad apples’ are pure bull manure. First of all, that description is exactly reversed – the few ‘good’ guys are a tiny percentage and the vast majority are jack booted thug criminals with badges. And, as others have pointed out – the evidence that this is the case can be easily seen by the fact that the few good cops keep their mouths shut and refuse to condemn their thuggish coworkers because they know they are outnumbered and are intimidated and probably live in fear of their lives.

      Besides these points, consider this: For those who parrot the line that only a tiny percentage of cops are corrupt and so we should not condemn the whole lot for the actions of a few – does that not accurately describe the mindset of all cops, when dealing with the public? A tiny percentage of citizens are criminals, but these cops treat ALL citizens with the same degree of thuggish behavior that they might need to use with legitimate criminals. To these psychopaths – we are all the same as career criminals.

  • Robert July 9, 2014, 2:16 pm

    Opinions are like A-hole, everyone has one. It is like someone who has never seen combat, but because they played Modern Warfare now they are some kind of expert on how to conduct military operations. The same apply to LE like any profession, if you have never done it you really do not have any idea how to do it. I have been to the doctor and hospital many times in my life but it does not qualify me to tell a doctor how to do his job. If you spend all your time on the internet reading only the negative stories about LE or any topic for that fact than you will only have a negative view. I will never defend a bad cop, because I have help end a few careers over the years. As far as some of the comments here some are just over the top. People like “Ray” are nothing more than just village idiots and are example of why some people should not be allow to breed. There are first responders who go out into harms way everyday as public servants so you do not have to. I for one do not want to live a country where there is no law and order. If you think it would be fun you only have to drive to Mexico and see how that works out for you.

    • Chuck Findlay July 10, 2014, 11:19 pm

      So Robert you seem to be saying that we can’t make any statement critical of anything the police do because we are not cops.

      Really this is your argument?

      By your standards I can’t say or have any opinion about the Catholic priest molesting little boys being so wrong because I’m not a Catholic priest.

      Or I can’t say or have any opinion about the lack of engineering the Space Shuttle had when it blew up (2 of them blew up) because I’m not a NASA rocket engineer.

      Anyone with reasoned thought can shoot holes in your idea of not being allowed to comment on cops killing people (an ever accelerating trend) because the comments don’t come from the mouth of a cop.

      None of us have to be a cop to know the murder of peopleby over zealous cops (as evidenced by all the U-Tube videos) is criminal and that cops are getting away with it every week.

      So tell us we are wrong all you want, but don’t expect us to buy in to your viewpoint…

  • Ardvark July 10, 2014, 9:08 am

    I am a retired LEO, did background investigations for number of years on aspiring officer candidates. Saw a consistent thing with many of them and I think it is due to our public education system, which the government has a hand in. Young people are often taught that they are special and should get most anything they want since they deserve it. They are rarely taught about failing at anything thus having to strive to do better. Decisions are taught to be based on emotion rather than facts and cognitive thinking skills. Parental upbringing comes into play because they allow this to go on. Now you have someone as an officer who thinks they are all powerful, add in training officers and supervisors who are of the same mindset and do not insure proper training and understanding of the law and you have what you have today.

  • geezer July 10, 2014, 10:57 am

    Considering that salaries for police and teachers are some of the lowest, it stands to reason that you will get what you pay for.

  • Fenster July 10, 2014, 12:15 pm

    Symptoms of the fascist police state

  • Kevin K July 11, 2014, 12:37 am

    Are you referring to the Austin, TX shootings by Charles Whitman in 1966?

  • Marc July 11, 2014, 9:31 pm

    Wow. I didn’t realize I was such a bad person. 20 years as a trooper with not one complaint from the public, that I had contact with everyday.
    I know how it goes, in certain circles you will have people that hate the police, period. I have worked with hundreds of troopers and many other agencies over the years and I’m comfortable saying that the men and women in law enforcement are a good group of people with a few bad apples.
    To those of you that hate the police, do us a favor and don’t bother us when you have a problem. Unless of course you are the problem and then we would be glad to assist you.

    • Anonymous July 12, 2014, 7:52 pm

      “Unless of course your the problem and then we would be glad to assist you”

      Just couldn’t pass up flexing the ego could you. This is what people are referring to.

  • Chuck Findlay July 12, 2014, 1:27 am

    (To those of you that hate the police, do us a favor and don’t bother us when you have a problem. Unless of course you are the problem and then we would be glad to assist you.)

    I don’t hate cops, my brother is a cop.

    But before you say we hate cops, you should spend an evening on U-Tube looking at all the videos that show out-of-control cops abusing their power and trust.

    It’s a hard sell on anyone’s part to say all these beatings and murders are justified when the video shows what happened. Video has a quality of it’s own when it comes to showing what happened that is not there when you ask the cops to make a report of what went down. The report almost NEVER puts the unwarranted brutality by the cop in the mix like a cold hard video does.

    Video is a real problem for cops and cities as it’s hard to lie when you can see what actually happened. This is why more government agencies are making it illegal to film them as they only want their side of the story told. And video is often telling a different story then the cop tells.

    I’ve seen videos on U-Tube of cops getting very angry for someone filming them, even threatening harm to the person filming the cop.

    Justify away this all you want, but I’m not buying it any more. I use to have much more respect for the police, but these days I want to keep my distance because the police have more and more become thugs that can and are getting away with brutality and walking away with no accountability.

    People use to say “Sir” to a cop out of respect, but today most people say “sir” to a cop out of fear of what that cop can do to them.

    Almost everyone that sees a cop car in their rear view mirror doesn’t think “friend”, but instead thinks ” I hope he doesn’t pull me over” this is fear not respect. Even when you have done nothing wrong as most all of us are law-abiding people, you still pucker up when a cop is driving behind you. Please explain to me how this fear is a good thing, I would honestly like a good answer.

    I know people fearing cops is a big ego bust to many people in power, but that doesn’t make it a good thing.

    (People should not fear their government, government should fear people – V, from V is For Vendetta Movie.)

  • Roseman July 12, 2014, 10:38 am

    I can see a profound difference in city vs rural police officers. In my small town, most of the cops I know by name as do many others. They live locally and have or have had kids in the school system.
    Much different scenario with city cops who, in many cases, do not live locally and do not know the populace except for the routine trouble makers. Those officers , more ofter than not, assume a defensive position if one is being approached by a citizen who just wants to ask a question.
    These are two completely opposite mindsets and can precipitate opposite results.

  • JHoyt July 17, 2014, 6:58 am

    As a law enforcement officer myself, I can honestly say that I’m scared of what are cops are becoming. I see it everyday and you hit the nail on the head with the carte blanch statement. I see it as a two-fold problem. The first, which bears 30-40% of the responsibility, are the cops themselves. We hire Type-A personality officers who are ready and willing to meet the most dangerous criminals in a dark alley and get the job done. The problem is, 80% of the people we deal with aren’t hardened criminals who need to be dealt with in that manner. Yet, cops have a lot of difficulty dialing that Type-A in. The second cause, which I blame 60-70% of the problem on is our lawmakers. Cops are diehard, attitudinal, Type-A, machines. We’ll operate on no sleep, to unbiasedly enforce laws and ordinances that are on the books, without thought or regret and in spite of the entire public’s criticism on our shoulders’. Now, when lawmakers tell cops that drug enforcement is part of their job…and it’s a “war”…and it’s dangerous…and qualified immunity protects you from dumb actions…etc., etc…cops follow orders and become products of the political factors conditioning them. As a Libertarian and cop, I’ve always said the solution is simple to understand, but difficult to accomplish…change the laws that cops enforce and that govern cops and you change the cops. But, lashing out with hatred, violence, and aggression towards cops will undoubtedly prove to judges, lawmakers and administrators that whatever increases of authority and weaponry are provided to law enforcement is justifiable and completely necessary.

  • armsdealer September 11, 2014, 7:19 am

    “”Gold is the corpse of value,” says Goto Dengo.
    “I don’t understand.”
    “If you want to understand, look out the Window!” says the patriarch, and sweeps his cane around in an arc that encompases half of Tokyo. “Fifty years ago, it was flames. Now it is lights! Do you understand? The leaders of Nippon were stupid. They took all the gold out of Tokyo and buried it in holes in the ground in the Philippines! Because they thought that The General would march into Tokyo and steal it. But The General didn’t care about the gold. He understood that the real gold is here–” he points to his head “–in the intelligence of the people, and here–” he holds out his hands “–in the work that they do. Getting rid of our gold was the best thing that ever happened to Nippon. It made us rich. Receiving that gold was the worst thing that happened to the Philippines. It made them poor.””

    Goto Dengo to Avi and Randy, present day, Chapter 95, “Goto Sama”

    It’s military without any generals searching for and seizing gold. They want the fillings out of your teeth. The less you have the more free you are. Keep Fort Knox secure.

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  • Adam October 13, 2014, 11:20 pm

    I agree there are some bad cops and military. It also sucks the amount of trashy civilians out there who provoke law enforcement. If a police acts in any hastily or defensive way people cry that they were excessive. What about the idiots who riot there own neighborhoods or these thug kids who are portrayed as little baby boys in the media. The problem isn’t the police, it’s the scum of the earth who can’t act civilized and put an officer in a situation where they gotta make a tough decision. Most people have never even been in a combat situation or even fired a gun but they give input on how a situation should have played out.


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