SNAP Scam and Getting People to Fend For Themselves

Here we go again. Awhile back I wrote about how people were buying bottled water, dumping it outside the store, and then taking the cash back in so they can buy cigarettes or booze. Another guy tried it here in Maine and he was unaware that it’s become a crime.

As I’ve noted in the past I have no problem with people who legitimately need assistance, but when you get folks like this guy who helppurposefully waste money so they can get a pack of smokes it gets my dander up.  Here’s my opinion on the matter:  if you need to be on assistance then you don’t have the time or money for an addictive habit.  Illegal drugs, cigarettes, or alcohol should not be a part of your  expenditures during this time.  Hey, if you have a job and you’re supporting yourself and your family and you’re an alcoholic have at it.  I feel sorry for you, but I’m not going to be the one telling you how to live your life.

However, if you’re on government assistance then every spare nickel needs to go towards feeding your kids and yourself as much nutritious food as you can.  Again, this should be considered a transition time even if it takes a couple of years while you work towards a better life.

As some of you may remember years ago I decided to clean up my credit card debt.  It took five years of not spending to get those damned cards paid off.  Was it easy?  Hell no, it sucked major ass.  But by buckling down and not buying anything, putting myself on a strict budget, and working my tail off I did it.  It’s easy to say, but much harder to do.  Point is I understand about giving things up in order to accomplish a goal, so don’t think I’m talking out of my ass here.

And to be fair there are good people who are working towards a better future.  I know that some of you have used the program in the past or due to current economic trouble you may be utilizing assistance right now.  That’s ok.  My beef is when people make a lifestyle out of it or abuse it.  But that can be expected when the government makes it easier to stay home than to go looking for a minimum wage job.  I personally know people who would rather have another kid to get more money than to go looking for a job.

There are reports of young men here in Maine – in their early 20’s – who get the SNAP benefits, but don’t need it.  They work under the table and collect the benefits and then turn around and sell the food they don’t need.  This gives them the money they need to go out partying every weekend.

Is there no pride left in our young men?  When I graduated school in 1982 there weren’t many jobs to be had in the civilian sector, so I did what thousands of other young men have done throughout history – I joined the service.  The Marine Corps gave me a sense of belonging, pride, a platoon of brothers, skills, and a sense of belonging.  And one of the biggest lessons I learned in the Corps was to take responsibility for my actions.

These days you hear stories about the younger generation living in basements playing X-box or couch surfing at friend’s houses until they get kicked out and move on to the next place.  I know things are tough out there.  Reading Calamity’s recent post about poverty you get an idea of just how dismal the picture really is; however, there are ways to support yourself as opposed to going the easy route and getting a free lunch.  Especially if you’re single.  Kids complicate things, but if you’re young and single there’s no reason you can’t get out there and find a job.  It might not be glamorous and it might not start you out at $100k a year, but any job you take is worth doing to the best of your ability.

 After You Get the Job

Once you actually land the position show up on time, dress for the job, be polite, be respectful, don’t screw off.  If you see something that needs to be done do it.  This accomplishes three things:  1) Time goes by faster when you’re busy  2)  The job gets done in a more efficient manner, and 3) Some one will be watching you and taking notes even if you don’t see them doing it.  Pretty soon you’ll be the go-to guy or gal and guess what?  You’ll start moving up the ladder.  You’ll get more pay, more responsibility and more training.  You’ll become a more responsible individual and the whole process will repeat itself.

I listened to Tony Robbins one time and while I didn’t agree with some of what he said, he did say one thing that made sense to me and I paraphrase here:  “Once you have set a goal do one small thing to achieve that goal.  Make a phone call, write a letter, talk to your boss, have that conversation with your spouse, write the email, whatever it is, take one small step every day.  Do 1% of the task every day and soon you’ll have accomplished 100% of that goal.”

It’s not the easiest road to travel.  It’s much harder going to work than it is staying home, but if you force yourself to do it eventually it will become a habit.  A good habit.

Once you’ve got that habit down pat then eventually success will come knocking at your door.  All you have to do is open it.

-Jarhead Survivor




42 comments… add one
  • Selkirk April 19, 2013, 7:24 am

    See, that mostly sounds fine to me. But man, I know some people who just can’t put those things together. Telling them to set a goal and work toward it is like telling a person who’s never seen a rhinoceros to imagine a rhinoceros.

    The people who would model responsible behavior for their kids for 20 years only tend to have 1 or 2 kids, or none at all. The folks who can’t imagine responsibility seem to have 4 kids on average. It’s really just a matter of time. Mike Judge was a prophet.

    • Jarhead Survivor April 19, 2013, 8:44 am

      Oh man, I loved Idiocracy. What a great movie.

      • Selkirk April 19, 2013, 8:58 am

        Lead, follow, or get out of the way, man.

        • Hotchick April 28, 2013, 7:56 pm

          I saw a picture of a man with a cardboard “will work for food” sign. He was standing in front of a Burger King sign that said “Help Wanted”.

  • j.r. guerra in s. tx. April 19, 2013, 8:43 am

    The Texas Lone Star assistence program is likewise abused. I remember some years back around Christmas, we were in a convenience store behind a woman with six (6!) gallon jugs of milk. Who has room for that in their refrigerator ? Well, my wife was curious and asked her about that. Her response – the end of the month was coming up and she wanted to use up her allotment of milk. She only needed one, and planned on distributing the other 5 to relatives and friends.

    Said it nonchalantly, like nothing wrong with that. Not her money, its legal – who care ? I was really ticked off though.

  • bmga1776 April 19, 2013, 10:17 am

    “Here’s my opinion on the matter: if you need to be on assistance then you don’t have the time or money for an addictive habit. Illegal drugs, cigarettes, or alcohol should not be a part of your expenditures during this time.”

    The above statement taken from this article is a perfect example of a collectivist mind set. (refer to G. Edward Griffin’s writings). The bottom line is the American Taxpayer (slaves) should not be funding any type of welfare, including individual, corporate, foreign aid, social security, etc. Taxes should only go to roads, sewers, infrastructure, fire departments, police departments, etc..

    • Jarhead Survivor April 19, 2013, 10:38 am

      I haven’t read anything by Griffins, so I can’t speak to his writings. However, I do know that at times people get in trouble and need a hand. There are always people out there less fortunate than me. What does Griffin say about helping those folks out? Those that really need help?

      I’m not talking about the guys who won’t get a job because they’re freeloading off the government, but those that are truly in need of assistance.

      Do his writings have solution for helping those or are they left to fend for themselves?

      Just curious.

      • Jarhead Survivor April 19, 2013, 10:40 am

        Hmm, or are you saying Griffins is the person who touts the collectivist mind set and the statement following that is your own opinion?

        Just trying to clarify who’s saying what here.

      • irishdutchuncle April 19, 2013, 11:21 am

        Griffin wrote “The Creature from Jeckyll Island” a book about the origins of the Federal Reserve.

        lots of survivalist types are strong (theoretically)
        “anti-collectivists”/libertarians. Me, I’m sure glad that I was elegible to receive “unemployment compensation” after I was put out of work.

        • Jason April 19, 2013, 1:45 pm

          I have read the book – it is excellent because it clearly outlines how the Federal Reserve started and what its function is and it is not for the benefit of the taxpayer even though all tax dollars go there.

    • T.R. April 20, 2013, 4:05 pm

      I have to strongly disagree about social security . There comes a point when you are just too old to work . Social security cant really be abused like welfare and the like , be careful who you deny an existence it just may end up being yourself .

  • waterboy April 19, 2013, 12:22 pm

    Sage counsel Jarhead. Seems to me that young people today want to know when payday is before they ask what their duties are. I hope some of them are reading your page. Keep up the great work.

  • Charles,,,, April 19, 2013, 12:49 pm

    Goes to show how the libtards planned while the sheeple grazed off the fat of the land, a time of plenty is becoming a time of want,,, Americans of old had such pity on the unfortunate and we have been scammed…. I for one thank yall for doing all you have to wake up the sheep dawg’s to bark out the alarm,,,,, organized chaos as it is…..they now have the wanting/entittled enmass snapping at the hand that feeds them without a clue that the missing hand is what ends up their demise. ,,,,,,

  • Jason April 19, 2013, 1:39 pm

    Many kids and “adults” today seem to have an attitude of aggressive apathy with entitlement thrown into the mix. The aggressive apathy is the individual who attacks the system to bleed it for all he/she can so they can sit back, do nothing, even though they are able bodied, and suck on the government teat. But hey why not – everybody else is doing it, so why not me? Why not me indeed ….

    As I had so gently pointed out a couple days ago (haha) we are traveling at light speed towards a granite wall and if we don’t change direction, we will be crushed. I am not speaking of economics, I am speaking of “morality” and basic accountability.

    While I singled out the ever popular anonymous act of doing those drive by denigrating pot shots at others with zero thought of what may be acceptable in the normal, face to face world of communication, this is far too prevalent & being accepted as normal. Then to take shit for it, while I do not care in the slightest, is appalling (to me) that people can actually accept, defend or qualify such poor behavior as if it is allowed to have a place in this world.

    It seems quite clear that people are more influenced by online forums than good old fashion communication. Today, the subject matter is focused upon in face to face discussions by and in large, refer to what is read in many of these unaccountability type forums.

    This accelerating trend is a significant problem because it is based upon a make believe reality. As an example, Kim Kardashian was made up – she went from the bowels of anonymity with NO talent whatsoever to worldwide fame in less than 2 years. WTF?

    What is even more alarming is the culture worldwide is essentially the same where people are stretched beyond the limits of what was considered insanity just a short 50 years ago. As I said before, we are trading critical thinking for the path that creates the most resistance – the growing acceptance for insults and outright rudeness.

    Want proof? Look at the most popular comedians & popular Hollywood movies – most all use this model of tearing someone else down or mocking AND it sells! This IS what is shaping our youth and the entire playing field is level with a bar so low that it actually retards intellectual growth.

    I am very optimistic by nature and believe we are at a point where we all have had enough. I believe we have crashed into the bottom and the tolerance level for outright stupidity, blatant rudeness and over the top entitlement attitude is evaporating. However, in order to get there we needed to go to the extremes of “failure” in order to get back to reasonableness and a value system that makes sense once again.

    I have said for many years that this downturn in the economy where people are unemployed and grossly underemployed is a great thing because it is finally causing people to react and wake up from the lies being fed us by the government and the others of influence many treat as a god. In short, I believe there is hope beyond the pain.

    • T.R. April 20, 2013, 4:27 pm

      I had a similar conclusion concerning the draft . The fact that the military is all volunteer is actually a BAD thing for the country . The reason is that it enables the government to expend money and any deaths attributed are negligible as far as its affect on the nations moral , therefore , no major outcry from the American people ………so it continues . If the draft were in place , the affects would be felt by ALL americans , not just a small segment . When you draft a person , its randomness affects all strata of our society . You disrupt families because their father or brother is unexpectedly taken away for an undetermined amount of time . It affects business and industry who suddenly loose a needed and depended upon employee . It affects the conduct of the bullshit conflict because the ranks are now filled with conscripts that dont want to be there vs. some dumb jackass that knew where he was going and signed the paper anyway . That is when the people start to rise up and scream about any fruitless prolonged conflicts ……….because its now affecting everybody . As it is now , joining up is a planed event , it does not affect business and industry , its no surprise or disruption to any family , and the deaths are not as far reaching to the nation as a whole . Bring back the draft if you want to start seeing an end to our horseshit ways of global interference . It also tends to weed out bad leadership in the field as grenades tend to roll under tents as well as other ” accidents ” , because draftees want to go home ….period .

  • Ray April 19, 2013, 2:02 pm

    I don’t know Jarhead, I think it will take something major to “reset” the minds and hearts of the people. We have generations that have been indoctrinated with the idea that they have “entitlement” to almost everything. Combine that with the endless forced “conformity” of PC and a ruthless police state, and you have a people who will meekly submit to city wide prison like lockdowns and warrantless door-to-door searches while being held at gunpoint. All the while sniveling that they have rights. Don’t belive it? Look at Boston. Or New Orleans after Katrena . I don’t think it’s lazy we have to worry about. I think people are doing exactly what the “powers that be” want them to do.

    • D'ja'c April 20, 2013, 8:44 pm

      Just want to spill out this can of worms all the way. When they have a “shelter in place event” like what just happened in Mass. what would the non-sheeple do. Was it wrong to comply with LEO’s when they say stay inside, don’t go to work, shut the stores and businesses down. Was it the right thing to do, to obey? I’m self employed, no work/ no salt. You never get a lost day back. Did a city wide lockdown save lives and end the terror? I understand exchanging liberty and freedom for security is equal to losing all three. I served in the USA military and proudly look back on my oath to uphold and the Constitution and defend our freedoms from foreign and domestic enemies. Just trying to sort this all out. I’m not a hockey fan but I sang along with the car radio when they replayed the singing of the National Anthem from the Bruins game the other night. And yeah my eyes teared up for the event and what it stood for. Anyway… What’s a prepper to do?

      • Ray April 21, 2013, 7:29 pm

        D’ja’c ,Its really very simple; Total subservience to power or fight. If you do not give unquestioned obedience, you get arrested or killed. You live in Obama’s Post-2001 America, and you have NO rights that any LEO or FLEA is bound to respect. Your only choice (other than armed resistance) is total utter prostration before the army’s of the god king. Let me say this once more YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS–NONE. The “government” can do anything they want -any time they want, and you must ether submit or make war on them . They have left nothing else.

        • Selkirk April 22, 2013, 1:15 am

          You can sue them afterward though. That’s something.

          • Ray April 22, 2013, 4:39 am

            No Selkirk you cannot sue them for actions like Boston. Because they acted under executive orders they enjoy Sovereign Immunity. They can do ANYTHING and be forced to justify it to no one outside there chain of command. They can never be Sued or charged with ANYTHING- by anyone -EVER- in a civilian court.

          • Jason April 22, 2013, 9:51 am

            In addition to Ray’s comment, suing is extraordinarily difficult, expensive and time consuming. Very few lawsuits make it to trial and end up in some settlement agreement but first you have to find a good attorney willing to work for free until a settlement is reached and, trust me, they will push for settlement – for their best interest.

            Unfortunately, Ray is right, we do live in a condition that greatly favors the rights of cops far over the citizens. They are evolving into a good ‘ol boys club and now with an ever increasing gang mentality.

            Though I do not condone this action but people are beginning to say they’ve had enough.


            This one shows a cop out totally of control.


  • T.R. April 19, 2013, 3:37 pm

    At this point , I really dont care . The white house tells children they can no longer afford to have tours out of one side of their mouth , then hand Egypt a big expensive aid package . I dont care anymore . The only things I care about are my family , my loved ones , and enough ammunition to deal with both the hoards of troglodytes and uniformed Nazis after the economic meltdown . Just sayin .

  • smokechecktim April 19, 2013, 4:28 pm

    i remember when I was very young and going to the store with my father. He was a cop and didnt make much money, so of course we would buy cheap cuts of meat and kool aid instead of soda. He would get really pisssed to see someone buying expensive name brand items and top of the line steak cuts and them pay for it with food stamps. They always had kids and a lot of the items were just junk food for the kids and steaks for mom and dad.

  • JL April 19, 2013, 7:36 pm

    If someone sells some of their food stamps to buy toilet paper or soap, that doesn’t bother me. We have never had food stamp, we did get WIC when our kids were young. We really needed it at the time. Both of us worked and we struggled badly. I think there should be a time limit on how long you can receive assistance. My sister has been on it for 17 years. I think it is ridiculous, my husband has sold blood, we have pawned things to make it years ago.

  • Steve April 19, 2013, 8:13 pm

    It would be better to live in a society where government had nothing to do with welfare benefits. The people who distribute the benefits are employees who usually don’t care much about the poor or the people’s money.

    Now any Christian or Jew who believes in God’s word knows that we are to love our neighbor as ourselves and that the scriptures say we should take care of the poor, especially widows and orphans.

    And of course the poor will make bad choices with their money, that’s why they are poor. They often buy expensive food and don’t have enough food to last for the month. We are called by GOD to love them and help them even so.

    • irishdutchuncle April 21, 2013, 8:59 pm

      the way Christians and Jews behave in the real world, doesn’t always speak well of us.

      (I agree, the care of orphans and widows with young children, should be a priority. intact families, with dependent children should be kept together, if at all possible.
      if the “private sector” isn’t up to the job, it still needs to be done)

      • Jason April 22, 2013, 11:39 pm

        As far as Christian’s behaviors, the main problem as I see it is people try to be “Christian” instead of living it according to God’s will and instruction. That may sound subtle but it is a night and day difference. The Bible spells it out pretty clearly but so many seem to take passages out of context and build some type moral position or hatred towards a group or lifestyle choice.

        You have the “Christian police” whom are individuals or groups like the extremists Westboro Baptists that say if you are not in alignment with their whacked out beliefs then you are going to Hell. They have no clue and God makes it very clear in the Bible that He is the sole judge.

        The plan is straightforward and the Bible was originally written in a very common language of Aramaic, Greek and Hebrew because it was meant to be simple, common language that could be understood even by the least educated.

        Gandhi is attributed to saying: “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” A pretty sad indictment but there is truth to it.

        Steve, I agree that we are called to help but believe we are not to enable. Give a hand up, not a hand out.

  • No More Mr. Nice Guy April 19, 2013, 8:33 pm

    Food stamps are for that…. FOOD too late to stop the fraud sad to say. It’s no longer a temporary crutch , but a way of life. Generations already. If mytax dollars are supporting those who scam the system, they should not be allowed to buy processed junk foods Fresh foods should only be allowed to be had. If you choose to not work at least get off your lazy ass and cook from scratch. Eat healthy not pure fat and grease for your obese ass. Then we will also pick up your medical bills for having an unhealthy diet & lack of exercise. Hell, we will even pick up the tab for your meds that you are non-compliant with. Sure a great deal that I get for my tax dollars. Maybe it’s time to quit milking the system & become a productive member of society WTF?

  • Grandmamom April 21, 2013, 2:11 am

    Ok let’s look at this. At 50 I just recently joined the unemployed and yes for the 1st time ever I applied for unemployment, still waiting.
    At this point I am raising a grandchild, but have spent years raising my own by myself. My bad choices. But we never received welfare, food stamps occasionally WHILE I always worked. Usually I held 2 or even 3 jobs. I still remember my oldest coming by to ask if something was wrong as his little brother said I was only working 1 job. I’ve spent years struggling on my own when I “qualified” for assistance so now they can pay me unemployment. And no I am not getting anything else. We will live on our food stores until I get back to work and start replacing those stores.

    • Jason April 21, 2013, 4:33 pm

      What a great work ethic & productive mindset you have – you should be proud that you have accomplished so much AND kept your integrity.

      In my opinion the only of value in one’s life is how they lived it not what stuff they have accumulated over time.

      PS – we have all made bad choices but it is how we learned from them that makes the difference.

    • irishdutchuncle April 23, 2013, 11:29 am

      yeh, they (the unemployment office) sure can drag their feet sometimes. fortunately some relatives were able to help me this last time with some mattress money and a car repair.

      a “cash” emergency fund is one prep not to put off.

  • Ned Ludd April 21, 2013, 9:11 am

    Create a nutritionally complete “Human chow” that is very bland and provide each able bodied person 2500 calories per day for each day of community service they provide. Almost anyone can run a litter picker and a trash bag. You work – you eat…simple. No scamming the system or making bad choices, it really pisses me off when I see an obese parent with 4 obese children buying $25+ worth of junk at a convenience store on their benefits card.
    I have compassion, when I got out of the service in ’91 the economy was not great and we went through our savings while looking for work. We used food stamps for 90 days till I had a job and a few paychecks under my belt.

    • Ray April 21, 2013, 7:37 pm

      Why yes Ned we can give it out at the beginning and end of the forced labor(Err FEMA) camp day. We can even have a cute little slogan over the door. How about “work makes you free”?

  • Marc April 21, 2013, 9:32 pm

    In the early 80’s I used to take a guy I worked with to a bar and he would take his food stamps and get 50 % of the value from the bar owner I’m ashamed to admit that. He got stamps because he lived by himself and I lived with my parents. He bought beer with the money. My question for you all is why can’t we drug and alcohol test all recipients and if positive no money for you. Get arrested and no more benefits. Pretty simple and we can’t seem to do it. We are screwed!!

    • Selkirk April 21, 2013, 10:56 pm

      Didn’t they pas some law like that in Florida recently? I heard something about it in passing, but didn’t investigate further.

    • smokechecktim April 22, 2013, 3:21 pm

      quick note to Marc: several states have or had drug testing programs for welfare people. Believe it or not the percentage of positives was very low and the program was very expensive. Thats why most of the testing programs gradually shut down

  • Marc April 21, 2013, 9:43 pm

    Hey Ray it’s not forced, they don’t have to work. Don’t work and you don’t get fed . That’s fine with me I’m sick of my money paying for scummers that won’t work and continue to have kids they can’t pay for. Open your freeking brain. How long are we supposed to take care of these people?

    • irishdutchuncle April 21, 2013, 10:37 pm

      Q: “how long are we supposed to take care of these people?”

      A: until you get yourself “raptured up” and the Deity takes over the job himself by overt action, or until the problem eliminates itself.

      • irishdutchuncle April 21, 2013, 10:51 pm

        although CHURCH is specifically not established under the Constitution, JUSTICE is specifically established under the Constitution.

    • Ray April 21, 2013, 11:04 pm

      Marc- It doesn’t matter in any way how we rail about welfare or food stamps. NO ONE in government cares what we think. You see its NOT our money anymore , If they can take it when they please ,and use it as they see fit , then it belongs to them. So now what? Cut off the EBT cards? OK . After that? As there are NO jobs for people who can’t read and have prison records and damn few jobs for anyone else- and no daycare for the 21 year old woman with 5 kids , What do we do when they start to starve? Welfare is the cheapest way to keep the poor from boiling out of the cities in huge well armed masses and killing everything they see. The time when we could fix this mess ended when the industry’s shut down. It’s NOT how long are we going to take care of them. -It’s How long CAN we keep them fed and contained in the ghetto before the money runs out and the REAL violence starts. You ready for the Apocalipse? Because WHEN the money train stops ,about HALF of America go’s hungry, and Then the S ***really will HTF.

  • braveheart April 21, 2013, 11:07 pm

    Hello, everyone, my first time here. I have to agree with everything being said about these alleged ‘entitlement programs”. Like all of you, I work and pay taxes into the system and i’m sick of seeing my tax dollars being wasted on people who refuse to do anything for themselves. When I was a kid growing up in the 60s, if you didn’t go to work, you didn’t eat. If you lost a day at work, you didn’t get that back. Everyone was expected to pull their own weight and to do for themselves. Nobody was owed anything and in my mind that one thing still holds true today. We who do for ourselves don’t owe anything to anyone who won’t do for themselves. The people who get on these programs and stay on them for life are just useless eaters as far as I’m concerned. The ones who genuinely need help and plan to get back on their own 2 feet can’t get help at all. I first started learning how to work as a kid around the house helping my parents with certain chores. Later on i had a paper route, raked leaves, mowed yards, and even did odd jobs for elderly people in my neighborhood. I knew the value of a dollar before I ever had my first real job. Look at the type of influence these young males are under today and that says it all. I refuse to call them young men because they have no idea of what it takes to be a man. Last time I checked, the Bible still says if a man refuses to work, let him starve. That needs to be applied to BOTH GENDERS on these programs. The “entitlement mentality’ is only one of many things that have wrecked this country. braveheart

    • Jason April 23, 2013, 9:50 pm

      I was born in ’54 & grew up in the 60’s & completely agree with you. Back then it was normal for kids to work hard – regardless of the job because it was expected. If you did not, you got let go, period – no coddling or sensitivity classes to attend, just got the boot.

      Also back then, if you mouthed off to an ANY adult, you got smacked right on the spot & IF you were dumb enough to tell your parents & they didn’t add to the beating, they’d say cry to someone else because you probably deserved it. Respect was given always.


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