Misc Erratic Thoughts

Qualifier:  As I wrote today’s post my mind was kind of jumping around, so what you’ll read is sort of a mishmash of things.  I tend to have a thought about something and then play devil’s advocate with myself and some of that might come through here.  Anyway, here we go!

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For the sake of argument let’s say a catastrophe has occurred and everybody has lost their electricity.  Maybe a huge solar flare has cooked the grid and we’re looking at not having it back up again for at least six months for a large part of the country.   If you live in a city you’ve got some tough decisions to make if the power goes out.  Most likely the delivery trucks will stop rolling leaving millions without access to food.  Should you bug-out or bug-in?  I’ve met many people from the city who don’t have the first clue about living in the wilderness and there will be thousands upon thousands of citizens with the same lack of experience wondering what to do.  If you’re one of these city dwellers I hope you’ve got a plan in your back pocket and your preps in place.

Are you better off living in the country?  I personally think so, but I’m sure that many of you will have differing opinions.  In my opinion one of the reasons we’re better off in the country is that we’re not as dependent on the electric grid as the city.  The power goes out here from time to time and we’ve learned how to get by without it when necessary.  Does it suck when it happens?  Hell yeah, but at least we can do it.  Another thing is that I can grow my own garden and while it’s not enough to get me by all year long it at least gives me some food in the summer.  Also, we both (wife and I) hunt deer and it’s nice to have a freezer full of deer meat.

There are many reasons that I think we’re better off in the country.  We’re pretty well off the beaten track and don’t get a lot of traffic through where I live, I know the neighbors, there are several farms within walking (actually spitting) distance, I have space for a garden of my own, and there is plenty of game in the woods around my house. If the SHTF it would make sense for me to stay in place as long as the area I live in isn’t directly threatened.  The only thing I’d have to worry about in a long term situation is the refugees from the city trying to take what’s mine.

Now, if I lived in the city it would be a different story.  I’d still have food and water stored, but having an electric generator with 20 gallons of gas standing by isn’t feasible if you live in an apartment.  Living in the city would be a good motivator for me to have a bug-out bag standing by along with a plan on how to get out of the city and a destination to go to.

A destination is important because if you think you’re going to hit the woods and live off the land you’re wrong.  If you beat your chest and say that you can do it I challenge you go out in the woods right now with your bug out bag and see how long you can survive once your food runs out.  It’s winter here in Maine so you ’d better have a good sleeping bag!  There’s a big difference between this:

Appalachian Trail in the Summer (that’s me filtering water.)

And this:

Appalachian Trail in the Fall.  In winter the snowfall in the mountains is measured in feet.

Believe me, if you have little or no experience in the wilderness the last place you want to be in the winter is in the mountains or forests trying to fend for you and your family.  I’ve met some very nice people from the city who I liked quite a bit, but as soon as they got in the woods they didn’t have a single single idea about what to do.  They couldn’t navigate, they couldn’t build a shelter and they couldn’t build a fire.  In reality most people I know from the city couldn’t start a fire with a blowtorch and paper much less a firesteel and dry tinder.  These folks aren’t bad people, they just didn’t have any exposure to this kind of living.

Let’s assume for a second that everybody in the city knew how to hunt, trap, fish and otherwise survive.  If that were the case the forests would be stripped bare of edible plants and animals in just a few months; however, this isn’t the case.  How about hunting and dressing their own game?  Unlikely.  Most people don’t like the sight of an animal before it’s been processed and look at the act of killing something to eat it as barbaric.

Mrs Jarhead’s Deer

deer

I’m not sure where they think the steak in the local grocery store comes from and they probably don’t care as long as they don’t have to think about it.  No, it isn’t pretty, but it will be necessary if a scenario like this ever played itself out.

I’ve been in many different cities throughout the country and the world and they’re all dependent to one extent or another on gasoline, electricity, and food being delivered from outside.  A total electric grid meltdown could devastate the fragile Just In Time (JIT) chain.

However, do I really think the grid is going to go down for good?  Hmmm, not really, not for good anyway.  I try to be prepared for it because that’s what we do, but I don’t really think it’s going to and unless you’ve gone out and invested heavily in converting your house over to solar or wind power you probably don’t think so either.  Oh sure, I have a small solar panel, battery, charge controller, and an inverter, and it might be good for powering a freezer for a day or a laptop and a few lights for a night or two, but that’s it.

If anything I believe it’s going to be some kind of economic breakdown.  Inflation, maybe hyperinflation or deflation, a depression worse than the 30’s, who knows?  I don’t think we can pump the kind of money into the economy like we have been without causing serious problems.  And don’t get me started about the big bank bailouts or “too big to fail.”  Grrrrr.

When the economy collapsed in Russia in the 90’s people were forced to make do with what they had.  Civilization didn’t collapse and it wasn’t the end of the world, but it was painful for them.  Black markets sprang up, crime rose, but eventually they got through the hard times, which is something that is more likely to happen here in the US if the same thing were to happen.  I don’t think the world would end or society would collapse, but there would be a lot of pain and suffering as people got used to the “new reality” of much higher food costs (happening now), higher fuel prices (happening now), higher clothing costs (happening now.)  You get the idea.  I think a lot more people will be asking, “Should I buy heating oil or food,” in the coming times then asking themselves, “Should I vacation in Florida or go to the Bahamas this year?”

Even if this does happen I don’t think it will be the end of America.  We may be a little more humble and thrifty and a lot less “me” centric than we are today, but who knows?

Ok, I’ve done enough rambling for today.  Anybody out there have any thoughts?  Am I way off base and are we heading towards a global economic firestorm?  Am I too paranoid and thinking like a psychotic fool?  Honestly, I try to walk a middle ground here, but sometimes I don’t know what to think.

What do you think?

-Jarhead Survivor

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  • j.r. guerra in s. tx. March 4, 2011, 8:36 am

    I hope if we have a major economic depression, people will take it calmly, but I don’t think it will be the case. The people I see around me are so used to having amenities handed to them – they talk about their latest phone apps, and discuss Charlie Sheen’s interview like they are something relevant – they aren’t, at least to me.

    Americans are spoiled – we haven’t had recent experiences like the recessions in 70’s / 80’s to remind us the story of Grasshopper and Ant (store up while times are good). Losing a job or getting sick / hurt – the house of cards comes tumbling down. Back then, interest rates for saving were much higher, I remember 18 month CDs getting 18 -19% interest. Now, you are better off spending on items you will really need because the prices are rising far quicker than the interest paid by bank.

    Price of gas – wow. I gassed up on Tuesday night for $3.16 – its $3.49 right now, two days later. All over a bunch of folks in Middle East throwing rocks – ??? Years ago, the price of gasoline wasn’t affected like this at all, now any little thing forces prices to spike.

    Food prices are creeping us and the quantity in cans is reduced – more liquid in the contents. Like buying canned water for crying out loud.

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  • Michelle March 4, 2011, 10:28 am

    Yep, I don’t think you’re hot anymore, after seeing that dead animal. If you are hungry dude, go to a grocery store or your local food bank or church, killing to eat as a last resort is fine but I don’t think this is being your last option. Don’t love ya anymore! You are not that macho of a guy I once thought you were…

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    • Spook45 March 4, 2011, 11:07 am

      I dont mean any offense but I am gona tell you, if it were not for hunters, you would not be able to even drive in the country. The poor animals would so over popualte that the game agencies would go out and kill them wholesale and leve them laying. I have witnessed this first hand and its a terrable waste. Truth is when they run out of space and habitiat(aka food) they end up starving, weak and diseased and then it could decimate the entire population. Conservation(promtion of heard, selective hunting and contorled bag limits) is the best way to go where humans and animals meet(no pun intended) and the part that most people miss is what hunters do to promote wildlife. We buy grain nad put out food for the animals and we do more of that in tough years like drought years when the mast is down and the animals dont have enough to eat. We plant wild seeded food plots so that we promote the mast(mast is a term for wild seeds, nuts, etc that deer and other animals forage on) which will grow back on its own year after year. We spend hudreds of dollars per person per year to promote wildlife programs and things like that(aka hunting licenses etc) so for city folks and tree huggers that only have half the information is easy to formulate a bad opinion that realy doesnt fit. If you had ever seen a deer with CWD and watch spread thru an entire heard you would get why the conservation efforts AND the hunting og hand in had and why they are so important. just a little food for thought. There people where I live that feed thier families and if the ycould hunt and take game, some of them would resort to criminal activity to supprot themselves. We have a good system. and it works.

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      • ChefBear58 March 4, 2011, 11:10 am

        WELL SAID SPOOK!

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      • ChefBear58 March 4, 2011, 12:01 pm

        Michelle,
        Here is a sight you should check out regarding hunters and conservation. It is the site for the Virginia Department of Game and Inland Fisheries (VDGIF), specifically look at #9 on the list of FAQ. It explains where the money from licenses goes to. Sections #13 & #14 are also interesting because they explain a possible increase in the amount I will need to pay for a hunting and fishing license next year, it’s just under a 100% increase (making each license $60, I get a small game, big game, freshwater and saltwater each year. That means roughly $240 each year JUST in licenses… it does not include archery/muzzle-loader/waterfowl stamp/national forest stamp/migratory bird stamp/trout stamp, and they are considering charging just for use of parking areas and access to public hunting/fishing areas), to pay for conservation programs and hiring new Game Wardens/scientists to keep VA habitat safe and stable for the wildlife among other things. This also does not include donations by hunters of time and work to improve habitat -OR- donations to wildlife management programs made by hunters/fishermen -OR- donations made by companies like Bass Pro Shops, Cabella’s and most firearms, hunting clothing and ammunition manufacturers… There are more, but I believe I have made my point.
        http://www.dgif.virginia.gov/regulations/comment-funding/revenue-faqs.pdf

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      • Anonymous March 4, 2011, 12:49 pm

        also the second a tree hugger out driving in the country hits a deer with their car – oh my gosh! suddenly deer are a threat and a menace that need to be eliminated.

        you can’t win against their mindset.

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        • Spook45 March 4, 2011, 1:24 pm

          Sure you can. You just have to give them the RED PILL and teach them the right way. A lot of tree huggers are non-christian or athiest. They have not read the bible and gained the understanding that the animals were put here for a reason and we are the guardians of the earth. Err go, Conservation is the proper way.

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          • ChefBear58 March 4, 2011, 8:11 pm

            Spook, they were put here for a reason! Several of them in fact, let me list them in order by my favorites…..
            -BACON
            -GRILLED DEER TENDERLOIN
            -RIBEYE STEAK
            -CHICKEN IN WINE SAUCE
            -EGGS OVER EASY -W- SOS
            -GRILLED ROCKFISH
            -BUTTER & HEAVY CREAM
            Ect… Ect… Ect…

          • Sta2think March 6, 2011, 12:10 pm

            Seems like I have to educate all of you a little bit:
            1. Hunters do NOTHING for the deer. They murder it. A deer population that is left alone finds its own equilibrium, just like in the millions of years before now. All that hunters do is to artificially enlarge the deer population in order to have a ridiculous pretense to murder it down again.
            2. Pointing out that some hypocrites let others murder animals for them does in no way justify murdering animals.
            3. Making fun of “treehuggers” while believing in some dead carpenter-zombie who is supposed to be the son of invisible Santa is pretty absurd.

          • ChefBear58 March 6, 2011, 6:07 pm

            Sta2think- REALLY?! VERY mature!
            You are entitled to your opinion as everyone else here is, but if you are going to claim that “things will find their own equilibrium” then you should probably look at how that would be achieved. Predators are a key part of that, which include humans! Do you think a wolf will be content if you throw it a veggie-burger?! NO! It’s pretty ignorant to assume that just because you have some qualm with hunting, or even eating meat in general that folks will respect your opinion when expressed in the way you have decided to.

            As far a s your statement “hunters do nothing for the deer”, I would again have to disagree! Here in VA more habitat is protected for deer and other animals by private land owners (most of which are hunters), than by the state or federal government. The programs that are in place to protect wildlife are for the most part, a result of hunters/fishermen stepping forward and giving time/money, MOST of us (I say us because I am counted in this number) are willing to put our hard earned money into these programs so that our children/grandchildren will have the opportunity to connect with nature in the same way we have. Honestly I feel sorry for you and folks like you, because of the unrealistic ideals you expect everyone to share, you not only isolate and alienate yourself from wonderful people but also experiences that folks who share your mentality will never have the joy of experiencing! If I, as a hunter, can respect your right to express ideas which I see as ludicrous, then you should be able to respect my/others rights to do the same! Since I would imagine that because I am unwilling to reject my beliefs, and I assume you are unwilling to reject yours, we should probably “agree to disagree” so to speak.

    • ChefBear58 March 4, 2011, 11:08 am

      You are welcome to your opinion, and I think everyone here will respect it and your right to express it. However, hunting is not about killing an animal, putting a trophy on the wall or even about harvesting meat. At least for me, it’s like a connection to my ancestors, and to the natural world around me which so many other just pass through. I can’t speak for others, but I respect the deer and admire them, when I am in the woods it doesn’t matter if I get a deer, its nice if I do because it means that I won’t have to buy meat from the grocery store for some time; but I am perfectly happy (for now, while food is readily available in the supermarket) going out and sitting in the woods just to watch the wildlife and smell the clean air. When I can go out hunting, it takes me back to a time when my father (who now has “gulf war syndrome”, with similar effects to Alzheimer’s, sometimes he doesn’t even remember my name) was guiding me through the woods, showing me the things that his father showed him. Even when I am in the woods, with the nearest human miles and miles away, I feel closer to my family and loved ones I have lost than at any other time. I gather from your comment that you don’t hunt, if that’s the case I don’t expect you to understand. However you should respect others decisions to hunt, just like I respect your right to object to it. There is also the benefit of obtaining meat that you know has not had some guy walk up and shoot full of all kinds of steroids and hormones, and you won’t get much more “organic” than game harvested from deep in the woods far away from the crap found on modern farms!

      I can’t begin to speak for Jarhead, but from what I have gathered from his writing, he probably has the same or similar feeling to me in this regard.. I would imagine its a sentiment shared by most, if not all of the hunters on this site.

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    • Alias Smith & Jones March 4, 2011, 6:01 pm

      Michelle,

      You are making a pretty big assumption that Jarhead had any interest in you but, nonetheless … I’m sure he’s crushed.

      By the way, after you placed your order into that clowns head at the local drive thru remember, that sweet brown eyed cow you saw on TV was part of the meal you subsequently consumed or part of the canned chili you got from the local food bank.

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      • steve March 4, 2011, 10:09 pm

        Michelle, sounds like one of these animal worshipping cult members. Let her eat a salad, I’ll have a deer! Where do these people think food comes from?

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  • irishdutchuncle March 4, 2011, 10:30 am

    there’s no need to “walk a middle ground”. there’s plenty of us “paranoid psychotic fools” lurking around. the more, the merrier i always say.

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  • sanityjones March 4, 2011, 10:49 am

    One difference between the Russian economic collapse and the American economic collapse is the fact that Russians never had an ingrained belief that they had a “right” to three hots and a cot. (and that’s just the beginning of a very long list) Americans are spoiled brats who, (as soon as the ww2 generation die-off is complete) have no direct association with hardship and suffering as a part of daily life.

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  • Spook45 March 4, 2011, 10:50 am

    WOW, LOts of deep thoughts here. Personally, I am better off in the country. I think (and what I have gathered from true city dwellers) that most city people will be better off there. Inthe country(especially if you go way out there) city dwellers will not be able to survive, it will actually compound thier survival situation. What I mean by that is they will not only have to deal with all of the general survival issues(food, water, shelter ,sanitiation etc.) but they will allso have to deal with a different bread of preditor. I have been on the “mean streets” all over the country so I understand those issues and so do the city folks that live with it everyday. That is a different environement, most city folks dont have guns at all and the ones that do dont have long range rifles and the ability to use them. In the country it is the opposite, while a lot of people do have handguns and carry them, everyone has a rifle and a shotgun because they hunt with them. Out here, people still feed thier familys with them here so it is a regular walk of life. Use of camoflage and terrain are critical and they are totally different. I have heard city folks say they are staying in the city because they can blend in hide in crowds etc. my thoughts on that are ” You go in the water?, The shark is in the water” Crowds could be usefull for discrete movement but if you got swept up in a group movement you could end up in some crap you dont want to be involved in! I can move and operate in the city, but I dont like it, behavioral profiling (for those of us with the skills) can be much more telling than people realize and so much for hiding in plain site or a crowd, I prefer a guillie suit and a lot of distance. If you cantsee me, I will be gone before you know I am even there. Lots of tic fortac issues here and I think one should go where thier skills are strongest and thier chances of survival are the greatest.

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    • Anonymous March 4, 2011, 11:04 am

      sheep love to crowd into a group – they feel safe that way.

      of course as the wolf comes up and grabs one of the sheep unlucky enough to be on the edges – the only thought in the other sheep minds is “phew, glad it was not me”

      of course, odds are – and in a bad situation – it eventually will be them too. in cities the predators will be kings (of course with much competition from the other wolves)

      you can’t teach a sheep to be defensive or to take the offensive, same goes the mindset of a liberal.

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      • Spook45 March 4, 2011, 11:11 am

        Heh, dude, that was BAAAAHHHHHHHD .

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      • Jason March 4, 2011, 6:30 pm

        Cute little sheep story …..

        In the big cities, predators will be grossly outnumbered and will only be the kings of the morgue.

        I’d rather take my chances with a dozen or so well armed friends and close down a couple of streets than to be the lone zebra parked in an RV or 5th wheel on some remote piece of land.

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        • Anonymous March 4, 2011, 6:39 pm

          you obviously are not a sheep then, a sheep will sit and wait for the government to save them. (see michelle’s post above for example)

          also are you aware of the gang statistics in many areas of the country? even simple google searches are very eye opening – consider a 200 mile radius around most of these gang centers and it makes for a wide swath of activity. MS13 and some other large (organized) gangs are as many as 30,000 members.

          in most cities there are a far higher ratio of sheep then any sheepdog. while your street(s) may be ok with you and your sheep dog friends – the majority of many cities will be victims in waiting.

          i’m not feeling sorry for the sheep, just stating what i see as the obvious – as i’ve lost compassion for sheep…

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          • Sheep Dip March 4, 2011, 8:10 pm

            Anonymous, you really seem to enjoy the sheep metaphor … question: ever live in a city with significant, multi-cultural population?

            I grew up in L.A. & know very well about gangs – I do not rely on the Internet as a source of real, boots on the ground information. Much of it is sensationally driven.

            True, hard core gangs represent a very small part of the population & are not as organized as you may think.

            Business with regards to drug trafficking, yes they are somewhat organized but are tactically clueless. Almost everyone of them fear being shot just like anybody else. Because they are very geographically specific & that’s how they have any kind of foothold to assume they will roam into unfamiliar territory is remote at best.

          • Anonymous March 4, 2011, 8:22 pm

            hmm… no reply button below the other post. tried to post just the links but maybe it needs more text to accept it – so trying again

            http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2009/february/ngta_020609

            http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/national-gang-threat-assessment-2009-pdf

            to assume that many gangs are not as well or better armed as a prepper may be underestimating the odds – also many in the gang mindset have far less compassion then the average upstanding american many who have never been in a violent confrontation – then factor in that many gang members actually join the military to receive training for later in gang life… just things to be aware of…

          • Ranger Man March 4, 2011, 9:03 pm

            It got caught up in the spam filter, because it had multiple links. Fear not, all comments go through and if they don’t appear and are legit, will get approved.

          • Anonymous March 4, 2011, 8:49 pm

            from the FBI 2009 gang threat assessment

            “Gangs are morphing, multiplying, and migrating—entrenching themselves not just in our inner cites but increasingly in our ever-sprawling suburbs and wide-open rural spaces. In some communities, they are responsible for as much as a staggering 80 percent of all crimes. They are selling drugs to your kids, shooting up your neighborhoods, invading your homes, robbing your banks and stores, stealing your identities and money, and sowing plenty of fear and violence along the way.

            There are gangs in the military…gangs in prison…gangs all over the Internet (recruiting, communicating, intimidating)…gangs on Native American reservations…and gangs on motorcycles roving the countryside. More and more women are joining gangs, too, sometimes leading their own subsets of larger criminal groups.

            At last count (this past September), our nation had at least 20,000 gangs with at least one million total members from coast to coast.

            These conclusions—and many more—are all part of the just released National Gang Threat Assessment 2009.

            Now matter how you slice it—locally, regionally, nationally—it’s a sobering portrait. And well worth reading for its insights, statistics, and predictions…whether you are a law enforcement professional, a community leader, an educator, a social services provider, or just a concerned citizen.”

            http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/national-gang-threat-assessment-2009-pdf

            educational reading.

        • Sheepless in Seattle March 4, 2011, 10:26 pm

          I live in a great area but within 5-7 miles of 3 heavily populated gang areas including some MS13 bangers. I drive thru them a few times per month with one incident in 20 years.

          A couple of shaved headed, fully tatted & armed guys stopped me in the middle of the street in broad daylight and quizzed me since I was a big white guy driving the area. Gave them their space & respect and was on my way without issue or toll.

          What I know is I have never locked my house – ever (25 years) & have not been broken into & have no dogs. The gang members stick very close to home and do to each other for the most part.

          People who live in white bread, low populated areas & become influenced by Internet with no practical experience make all kinds of assumptions & extrapolate that the gangs will be on their front porch the minute the SHTF. That’s another problem with the Internet – too much impractical information. Heck, you can even find real Elvis sightings with a Google search but the fact remains – the king is in jelly donut heaven.

          Once again, I’ll walk softly & carry a big Glock IF the SHTF but will stay in the city because I think there is more safety in like-minded numbers.

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          • Huh? March 4, 2011, 11:03 pm

            PS

            I do find all of the TEOTWAWKI & SHTF talk quite amusing because less than 1/2% of the population get so worked up about events that’ll never happen.

            Question: Why does the remaining 99%+ of the remaining population (which includes almost all of the best minds in the world) who are exposed to the exact same information, remain relatively unconcerned? Are they blind??

          • Anonymous March 5, 2011, 9:48 am

            look up the definition of “threat assessment”.

            in a time when food, fuel etc may be scarce you think these “armed and fully tatted” guys will just let you pass? you had no benefit for them at the current time is why – they are smart enough to not start an incident that would most likely just bring police scrutiny on them. if there was no food available and you drove by with your dozen donuts you can be sure the results would be different.

            assessing your surroundings and having contingency plans is what i see as prudent and all i suggest in my posts. in a bad time when people say pulling together is a way to build strength – well, gangs – even loosely knit ones already have that bond and connection to band up together before the neighbors who do nothing more then a wave as they drive by not even knowing your name.

            these posts with slander and verbal slants against someone you don’t know anything about including where they live and their past experience is a weak way to try to bolster your views. we should be allowed to express a view and not find the need to disparage another’s viewpoint – i suppose you forget what freedom is actually about.

            i only suggest for people to realistically examine their surroundings and look at “all” the potential threats to their well being should there be any type of civil disruption – from a destructive storm to solar flare grid down – high poverty areas, gang activity nearby, welfare housing etc – all may be fine and well while the government handouts are still coming and the hand to mouth no preparation existence is pacified, but in a true disruption – these are all very high probability areas for higher then average violent activity or crimes. assessment as well of the loner guy down the street who is gruff to any neighbors but has deer hunting stickers and such all over his truck is someone to be aware of just as well in a SHTF situation – if he is not prepared for lack of food, water or supplies, where do you think he may go look for them in a time of need? someone who is not able to fit in civilly with neighbors during good times – you think he will be a friendly attachment to your group of neighborhood protection? maybe – maybe not.

            unbiased assessment would rate gruff neighbor as a higher risk then the church going couple across the street who are always donating extra goods to local charities. it is all perspective depending upon where you live and what your surroundings are, but still have a plan.

            i feel it is foolhardy to ignore reality or potential realities just because you have been lucky enough to be one of the sheep in the middle of the flock – that is not much of a plan.

            i only wish for others to be safe out there, whether the SHTF or not.

    • Jim March 4, 2011, 10:19 pm

      I read on another survival site, that when the shtf, in the large cities, street gangs (high on pcp, crack or crystal meth or all of em), will go block to block, neighborhood to neighborhood, house to house, kicking in your front door, so they can steal your flat screen TV, your guns and ammo (most will be too scared to use them, or else they have them locked up in safes or have to have gun locks on all their guns), they’ll steal your money, your car, your gold and silver coin collection, your booze, and take your daughters and wives and then shoot you just for laughs.
      And another thing I thought of is that the roads and freeways will be jamed up with cars, many will run out of gas or just quit wotking and many people will just be wandering around looking for food and sheltor.
      It’s best to have a place off the main roads, not near a city or too close to a town.

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      • ChefBear58 March 4, 2011, 11:47 pm

        Where I live in central VA, we somewhat affectionately refer to it as “Spotsylltucky” , it gets VERY rural just a few miles from where I live. This is the kind of place where folks give you directions like “Turn left at the house with the 3-legged dog out front, and that’ll put ya on Rt 207… Turn right at the mule and the fishin’ hole will be on your left past the hollar’ “, home to such wonderful fishing spots as “5 dollar-hole”, “crappie point” (not to be confused with crappy point, that’s where the “moony-plant” is!) and “skin creek” (shorthand for skinny-dip creek *pronounced KRICK*, GREAT small-mouth fishing!). Where you can’t drive 400 yards during deer season without seeing several of them hanging in the trees or being skinned, there are still several families who don’t have electricity/running water… Point being, it doesn’t get any more “backwoods” in central VA… A couple years ago our local Sheriff’s department had to start a gang and narcotics unit (literally doubled the amount of full-time deputies) because of MS13, and a couple other gangs moving into our neck of the woods (no pun intended). The nearby town, (which they call a city because there is a collage there, it’s 13 square miles total including parts of the river and a few civil war battlefields) had to follow suit and create a gang unit, and even started a SWAT team because of the same gangs moving in from D.C. and Richmond. I’m not saying that there is a massive insurgency of gangs moving into rural areas, but I am saying that they might be looking to move into them. The leader of our Sheriff’s Department’s gang unit, was my “student resource officer” when I was in high school (an awesome Leatherneck from the Vietnam era, who has been a great friend to me) told me that when he “interviewed” a fairly high ranking gang member that they caught with several large packages of pot in his car (just sitting in the trunk, not even trying to hide it) he told him “We are here because we don’t have to worry about crossing into the wrong turf and getting shot or stabbed, and there isn’t anyone really selling here, so we came in to supply the rednecks”… I cleaned it up a little, and tried to improve the grammar, but you get the point!
        Maybe it’s different because we are almost dead center between D.C. and Richmond, only about 15-20 miles off of I-95; But I think that if it can happen here, it can happen almost anywhere these folks can drive too. The really scary thing is that they are apparently starting to bring in much harder stuff, and they are starting to find more of it in the schools. They do tend to stick pretty close to the corporate limits of the town, and you rarely see them (if ever) in the more rural parts of the county, but they are workin’ on it. However, I don’t forsee them being much of a problem in general during a SHTF situation. Most of the gangs which are successful in evading destruction by law enforcement rely on a very disorganized hierarchy, that’s how they keep law enforcement from taking them out from the top-down… There is no REAL leaders, which makes it harder for law enforcement to infiltrate and remove a few key players (the way they have with the mafia, several biker gangs and several street gangs over the past few decades) to topple the entire structure, or at least the vast majority of it. Because of this lack of real leaders, and with the stupid attitudes of the ones around here I have seen in a SHTF situation I foresee them having serious internal power struggles which would further disorganize them (and possibly have them eliminate each other from the gene-pool!). If they do manage to get over their punk-ass attitudes, I still wish them luck trying to infiltrate my location, not trying to be cocky it’s just simple strategy. They would need MANY more of them than what are around here, and they would be catchin’ lead from further out than what their preferred firearms are effective at.

        Sorry, I know that was pretty long!

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        • Spook45 March 5, 2011, 10:31 am

          Heh, I love all of those professionals spouting stats. I gonna tell you I have had enough gang training( I train with people yall see on FOX News) and experiance to write 6books and and not even scratch the surface. The gang issue is just one of many that will complicate the Urban survivor. As for the GENIUS citing his off slant percentages and best minds quote, You never hear from the ones who share our ideas unless you go SEEK THEM OUT because the laimstream media is propagandized to the point that will only tell sheepwhat they want sheep to hear. Go look up Porter Stanberry an Acc. that guy is scary accurate and gets paid for it. Check Gerald Celente fro mthe Treand Research Institute. This guy has been in the business since about 82 and his treand forcasts are the most accurate Ive ever seen blows Fox news and CNN OFf the grid, they cant touch him. In fact, he predicted ALL OF THE CRAP that is going on right now with uncanny accuracy!! Believe what you want, I dont care, but Ive been watchin and listening to these guys for about 3yrs and following thier track records and they nail it everytime.

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      • Blog Baloney March 4, 2011, 11:52 pm

        Another blog says ….. door to door confiscation …. What a reliable source.

        Do you have any idea how many neighborhoods & doors that is? Hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of doors. That blog site is just another example of having no clue.

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      • Anonymous March 6, 2011, 10:38 am

        the thing that makes me keep an ongoing threat assessment is that all that stuff you mention – while seemingly over the top speculation – is happening NOW while under rule of law and with police, fire, fully stocked grocery stores etc… so in an event of a katrina, rodney king riots, or more serious type of event what would happen in your or my area?

        in connecticut a couple months ago those two criminals that followed the woman and two daughters home from the grocery store – only to return later that night to rob them severely beating and tying the husband up in the cellar, which then turned into raping and murdering the wife and one daugher by pouring gas on them and setting them and the house on fire. they then stole their car to make their escape.

        a man last week whose home was visited by two criminals dressed as police officers – when he opened the door they tied him up and threatened him with a gun until he told them the combination to his home safe where they stole $750,000 in silver bars (yes it had appreciated a lot recently) but apparently opsec was his mistake to start – but in serious troubles there will be people selling or making markets on information on where preps, food etc are as well.

        home invasions are a daily occurrence now – hardly even warranting news time they are so common – within 50 miles radius there are minimum 3-5 a week on the news where i am and home robberies are no longer the one lone male sneaking around looking for some loot to pawn, but usually a group (or gang if you will) of armed men who will often kill the homeowners just to keep from being a witnesses. in east coast florida a couple years ago gang of men killed an entire family be bashing in their heads while they slept with a bat (including their dog) over an xbox! there are stories of people being killed for $5 or their tennis shoes!

        so it boggles my mind that if/when supplies are scare and people are starving – who does not think that these same people will get even more violent and the behavior become even more risky and aggressive? evaluate, perform threat assessments local to your area and make preparations just in case. the worst case you are prepared, best case nothing ever happens to you and you live a long and happy life.

        all these stories are in the news – yes sometimes they can be a bit of sensationalism – but these crimes ARE happening, so in a disruption or grid down or any other event – they will happen much more – maybe to you or in your immediate area. if all it would take is a bit of thought or planning to avoid a possibly life changing event – isn’t that worth it?

        my only desire is for (more) people to wake up and open their eyes (yes kinda preaching to the choir here at this site) but even jarhead mentioned he had not really evaluated the gang facet so i feel i’ve done a good thing – and hopefully many more may notice and evaluate any potential higher level threats that may have been overlooked – whether they have ever affected them or not – it does not mean that they will not become a problem at some future date.

        assess your food needs, water needs, security options (defensive, offensive or whatever you choose depending on your beliefs and lifestyle) and don’t forget opsec. just try to get people you know and love to open their eyes and take off the rose colored glasses (far too many in our country are this way) unfortunately even my best friend refuses to accept that the world has taken any turn for the worse at all – i find it frustrating as i try to discuss or mention recent news in our area to see his opinion (i don’t think he watches the news ever – too busy playing video games) (yes he’s over 40 too) but i just want him to at least consider the possibility of potential bad times ahead, maybe prepare a little, have at least a few days food on hand, but he just keeps saying “nothing bad has never happened to him before” so why worry.

        he is the proverbial grasshopper – of course i’m sure many people affected by katrina, recent flooding, wildfires, ice storms, hurricanes, earthquakes and tornados, the rodney king riots, a recent home invasion, robbery, rape, mugging etc. many all said and thought the same thing too…

        unfortunately if the SHTF i will not be bailing out anybody who has chosen to remain unaware, even my best fried – i will have my own people to take care of. i believe in the “you made your bed now lie in it” philosophy. until people are willing to help or do for themselves i’ve not seen too much positive results from doing everything for them (that includes most welfare and other government programs) now if they are, and have been trying, i will do what i can to assist and we have some extra stored items in that event.

        i plan for the worst, but hope and live for the best. but it will not be myself or my family that falls as easy prey to any normal everyday crime or something worse – in the event of a local, regional or national event that may lead to civil unrest or something more disrupting to our daily life.

        best of luck to you all. keep your eyes open and keep assessing.

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  • YukonBry March 4, 2011, 11:16 am

    Looks like a nice buck in the picture. Notice in the caption that Mrs. Jarhead took it down. Great work.

    I do believe it’s a mistake, though, for us to rely too heavily on deer hunting in a long-term grid-down scenario. The reason? In my state of Arkansas, there are plenty of Bubbas who don’t have any food stocked up, but do have at least a loaded .30-.30 in the closet. Even if they don’t hunt regularly, they’ll be out to put the thump on Bambi.

    Such was the case when Arkansas was a dirt poor state in the decades after the Civil War, as attested to by this info from the Game and Fish Commission:

    “By the 1920s deer had been eliminated from many Arkansas counties, leaving an estimated 500 deer statewide”

    With a much larger human population today, it wouldn’t take long for that elimination to occur again. I’m not telling anyone not to attempt hunting when things get bad. Just be ready with stockpiled food if you don’t succeed.

    By the way, the Arkansas deer population is now estimated at 1-million. You can thank hunters for that. Our ammo and licensing taxes have funded the habitat improvements and regulation that were so sorely needed.

    Hey, elk are even on the comeback down here!

    Yukon

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  • ChefBear58 March 4, 2011, 11:29 am

    I have to agree, I think that the most likely collapse will happen as a result of the economy. I have said it, others have said it, and here it comes again… If we continue to print money, or add 1’s and 0’s (as in binary code) to the electronic banking industry without physical backing (i.e. gold, silver, ect.) it can only bring disaster!

    Although I wouldn’t count things like oil depletion, biological disaster, or even war (we can’t be the biggest kid on the block forever with the way we are going!). I don’t necessarily buy into the whole 2012 deal, but you can’t completely count out some massive natural disaster either (for a large scale/total collapse).

    I think you said it best in the article where you stated “I try to be prepared for it because that’s what we do”.

    I also have to agree with Spook again, folks who are acclimated to the city and don’t know how to live out in the country should probably stay put and try to get by there. I am not just saying that because I don’t want to have to deal with them, but also because I don’t want to be trippin’ over their corpses while I am out patrolling/hunting! One more thought, I agree with calling the folks who lived through the great depression “the greatest generation”. I do however have to say that some of us have learned from our parents, or in my case grandparents who are from that generation. Granted there are fewer and fewer of us every day, but I honestly believe that when the chips are down, and after the freaks, assholes and predators have mostly killed each other off, the “old-school” American mindset/spirit will persevere! Call me an optimist, but I think most of us will press on with the attitude and fortitude that made this country great!

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  • carl March 4, 2011, 11:32 am

    I doubt Michelle will be living to eat any venson when SHTF. No loss. She has that liberal mindset of ” I know better than you and will tell you what you can eat AND where to get it”.

    Living in the country can get lonely at times. But I will take it anytime over living anywhere Michelle does.

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    • YukonBry March 4, 2011, 11:42 am

      Good way to put it in perspective. The raccoons and armadillos with their nightly racket will seem less annoying now.

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    • ChefBear58 March 5, 2011, 12:02 am

      Yet another reason I have ABSOLUTELY no desire to see the freak-show state… AKA California!

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  • Steve Dore March 4, 2011, 1:05 pm

    Fellow Mainer! Spent most of my young life there and maybe my later years the way it’s going. Glad to finally find your website/blog. Great spot. Guess it took writing a song that shares blood in the same vein. :-)

    My latest songvid, WTSHTF:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sxk8qjqAhk

    —Steve

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  • GoneWithTheWind March 4, 2011, 1:27 pm

    I think the takeaway wisdom from this article is that when TSHTF we will have to make do with what we have. Yes, depending on what actually happens, there may be a day or two to stock up or get that missing prep item. But in general if you don’t have it on SHTF-day you won’t have it.
    I have always thought the best movie to watch to understand what to expect is Dr Zhivago. Not the new hip version but the one filmed in 1965 with Omar Sherif. It’s not a bad documentary of what happens in a revolution and historically pretty acurate. But it’s real value is to watch from a preppers point of view. Watch how everything goes South quickly and how the people who are going to save you turn quickly to enslave you. A classic SHTF movie.

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  • russell1200 March 4, 2011, 1:40 pm

    For grid down scenerio you are correct.

    But for financial meltdown (aka Argentina), then the city folks may wind up better. When Argentina collapsed a lot of their rural areas became ghost towns without enough activity to support the municipalities. The railroads cut off service on their money losing routes and the towns became uninhabited.

    Some parts of rural america are going through an economic collapse right now.

    There is no perfect scenerio.

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  • Kathy March 4, 2011, 2:53 pm

    First off, great post. I joined your mailing list after the first of the year and have really enjoyed reading and learning about preparedness. Your topic today I think is very important, to look at possible worst case scenarios with perspective. I think my motto since I have been educating myself in this community is “I want to be wrong”. I don’t ever want there to be a complete breakdown of our society. I hope we don’t experience all the worst case things I have managed to imagine. That said, being prepared is smart and so many parts of the prepper life are things which I have been leaning towards for several years now (debt elimination, growing ones own food, learning out door survival skills, ect.).

    The reason I wrote was because you asked if anyone thinks you are off-base with your concerns. I do not think you are. I live in Canada and our economy mirrors the US in many ways.

    I think we are at a point where over-population, dependence on oil, and inflation are all very dangerous things when combined. North America is spoiled. We have a generation growing right now with skills only good for civilized, modernized, and a computerized society. While having those skills are good, we severely lack basic skills which are quickly disappearing. The ability to grow one’s own food, to hunt, to properly can food, or just read a damn map! My nephew (age 13) literally cannot read a map. He can only do directions by GPS. He does not know how to use a compass. He is one of the reasons I have encouraged my daughter into Girl Guides (like the Girl Scouts in the states) . I want her to learn these pioneer skills and basics.

    I personally have never killed an animal for food (or sport) but I absolutely think that if I needed to I would. I personally wish I could grow chickens in my back yard but my stupid town has an ordinance.

    The other reason I wrote today was because of the post by a person who was offended by your picture and talk of hunting. I think a lot of people really don’t know the important of culling an animal population. I love animals too, and will admit to being squeamish in the process of farm to plate….but I don’t see any harm in hunting when it is hunting season and when regulation and rules are followed. My Grandfather was a hunter when he was alive and I know that he was very much respectful and mindful of nature and its inhabitants.

    Also, buying meat from the supermarket that is full of hormones and goodness knows what else is possibly more irresponsible than condemning another for eating meat from any deer that someone caught . I am by no means a vegetarian, but the amount of crap that goes into your cheap meats at the supermarket is actually worse for our w environment and I can guarantee you worse for those animals. Buying meat directly from the farm by people who respect the animals and the land they grow on is a better option that any crap made by the meat conglomerates who own these giant slaughterhouses (which supply over 80% to your major grocers) . I do realize that not everyone is lucky enough to live close enough to farms where they can purchase meat, but for this person to throw stones for killing a deer while advocating saran-wrapped yuck is comical.

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  • DW March 4, 2011, 6:40 pm

    I think Michelle was just kidding you guys!

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    • carl March 5, 2011, 9:51 am

      When the SHTF and Michelle is at my gate starving and sarcastic like this she will be asked to move on down the road, without any charity to her and crosshairs centered on her from my hidden associate.

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  • Dan March 4, 2011, 7:27 pm

    I got that impression as well DW. However, I believe it did provide an opportunity for education regarding hunting.

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  • Prepared N.D. March 4, 2011, 8:25 pm

    I agree with the original post – I think living in the country is better because you have more options, more resources, and less people competing for those resources.

    The concept of city folks moving to the wilderness is pretty interesting. It’s ridiculous to think these people are going to be successful if they decide to bug out to live off the land, but what other options do they have? Who is going to take all of these people in? 82.5% of the U.S. population lives in urban areas. In many scenarios families stick pretty closely together which would mean they all live in the city – for many of these people, there is no Uncle Frank with a family farm in Iowa. And for those fortunate enough to have family in a country setting, what are the odds they will be able to take them in?

    Maybe these people entertain the possibility of bugging out to the wilderness because it’s as good as the other equally hopeless options they have. We can all sit back and say “Move out of the city and buy a home in a rural area” that’s good advice but for most it’s simply not attainable.

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  • Frank March 4, 2011, 10:30 pm

    A lot of times it’s hard and exspensive to buy a nice retreat in the country. One problem, is that sports figures, movie stars have grabbed on that idea of getting away from Hollywood and they buy up HUGH ranches and estates, thus driving up the price of property so the working man just can’t afford much of anything. I haven’t seen anyone write about this before. These super rich people think of nothing of paying 10, 20 million or more for a place. Jennifer Anniston has one of her homes in Hollywood for sale for $42 million!!
    And a lot of cities, towns, counties and land sellers now have restrictions, no mobile homes, no shipping containers (for storage), no livestock, etc. So what do you do?

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  • Chris March 5, 2011, 10:26 am

    Yeah, the bug out or bug in question seems to be asked a lot,but a lot of decisions depend on the scenario and your personal situation. Country or city? House or apartment? Do you have your preps in order, that kind of thing.

    I’m more likely to bug out than bug in. Six months without power? Dpending on peoples reactions here, I might stay and team up with people and everyone work together to hunt etc and keep everyone feed here in the mountains. I like to belive the best of people. But if you try to takes whats mine you be hurtin. If its dog eat dog in that situation everyone with be heading towards the parks near school. I’ll have my INCH bag and heading to my BOL 1000 miles away, prolly on foot.

    Also, thoughts on hunting. If you or someone you know isn’t going to eat it, then don’t shoot it, that’s my opinion.

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    • Spook45 March 5, 2011, 10:37 am

      Yeah, Thats what we teach our kids. If your not gona eat it, dont kill it. That sometimes ends with hard headed kids eating things they REALLY didnt want. That is usually the last time that happens.

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      • ChefBear58 March 5, 2011, 8:45 pm

        My cousin had to eat an old barn cat once because he shot it with his new (in 1991!) .22… Some lessons must be learned the hard way!

        Chris- I only know of 1 person who doesn’t eat the deer he shoots, but here in VA they started a program called “Hunters for the Hungry”. It lets hunters donate their deer carcass (the hunter can keep the head for mounting) at certain locations, some game-check stations will even take them, and $35 (for processing). The processed deer is then distributed to homeless shelters and (I have heard but might be mistaken) food banks across the state. At my mom’s church every year the men gather deer which folks have harvested, but don’t want the meat/choose to donate. A bunch of the men then get together on a Sunday afternoon and butcher the carcasses and package the meat into “market sized” portions (i.e. roasts, steaks, sausage, grind, ect.). The meat is frozen and given to families in the community which have fallen on hard times. The church (I don’t thin the state does) also will gather small game, waterfowl (geese, ducks) and turkeys for the same purpose. Again from what I understand, the Virginia Department of Game and Inland Fisheries also uses part of their budget every year to process deer which have been hit on the road (and are still in good condition, and only recently killed, no old funky stuff) which is also distributed to those who are less fortunate.

        For Michelle…. That money usually comes from license fees, taxes on ammo/firearms/hunting clothes/ect and revenue collected from game/environmental violations fines… Which come from hunters and fishermen/women.

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  • Hokie March 5, 2011, 12:03 pm

    Excellent post Jarhead.

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  • noisynick March 5, 2011, 12:35 pm

    Nothing like a difference of Opinion to Fuel the Fires. good post jarhead
    Don’t forget that gang Lovingly refered to As Redneck of which i’m a card carrying member.
    Disasters will change our circumstances irregardless of our preps. the most important thing is we try and never back away with that we will survive……….

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    • Spook45 March 5, 2011, 2:07 pm

      Yea, no doubt. we the REDNECK are the silent few but not as few as some may think. Nothin but rednecks in my AO. Alot of these guys know something is up. They cant quite put a finger on it, but they see whats going on.

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    • ChefBear58 March 5, 2011, 8:23 pm

      “Disasters will change our circumstances irregardless of our preps”
      Yet another reason to instill the old “Improvise, Overcome and Adapt” philosophy!

      By the way… When did they start handin’ out cards?! I want mine!!

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      • noisynick March 6, 2011, 6:59 am

        It’s in the Mail………………….

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  • Fear not? March 5, 2011, 5:32 pm

    Gotta love the power of censorship. One makes a valid point, supported with data that completely disproves another’s claim, creates an environment for critical thinking & just like the mainstream media, it disappears like flatulence in the wind. You made Spook’s point perfectly.

    And of all people, to think freedom of expression was not honored … priceless. Rising to challenges is what makes a human great.

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  • Jarhead Survivor March 5, 2011, 8:18 pm

    Hey Everybody – I’ve been laying low this weekend and watching the comments and thinking about what everybody’s been saying. A lot of excellent thinking points out there and I’d like to thank everybody for taking the time for their replies.

    First point – unless you are outright attacking someone with bad language or making personal attacks we don’t censor it (maybe we block out a bad word – this is kinda PG13 here), but we just don’t block comments if we don’t like them. Part of running a blog is taking comments from people who may not agree with you and rolling with them. Your comment may get caught in the spam filter and Ranger Man will release it when he has time to go through them.

    Second – I’m happy to see a little disagreement here in the comment’s section because it shows that people are thinking and taking the matter seriously.

    Also, I’m not sure how the gang related stuff came up, but it did give me some other stuff to think about and that’s always a good thing.

    There are way too many comments to try and reply to each one personally, but be assured I’ve read every single one and thought about it.

    One thing that did come up that I intend to do some research on is kind of multifaceted. First (super excellent point whoever came up with it) – is that most of the population of the country lives in cities. (Was it 80%?) There’s no way you can realistically expect everybody to leave the cities and start fending for themselves in the country. This requires some thought and if anybody has ideas on this matter please email them to jarheadsurvivor@gmail.com. If I use your idea in the post I’ll credit whatever name you comment under, so the rest of the world will know what a genius you are. :-)

    Thanks again everybody, and thanks for reading SHTFblog.

    -Jarhead Survivor

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    • Black Sheep March 6, 2011, 1:06 am

      I think the statistic is something like 80 to 90% of the world’s population lives within 50 miles of a coast.

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      • Baaaahhaa Humbug March 6, 2011, 1:07 am

        What, no censoring?

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        • Ranger Man March 6, 2011, 8:08 am

          Yes, there is censoring. I’m growing tired of your snarky comments, Jason. Most every time you engage people in discussion the entire thread takes a turn for the worse. You take it beyond just disagreeing with someone. We understand your point, you think most people exaggerate the need to prepare. You think things will be just fine. You criticize readers for their fears or concerns. We get it.

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          • Jason March 6, 2011, 11:18 am

            Ranger,

            Thank you, I truly appreciate the honesty.

            I’ll ask you a rhetorical question:

            What’s worse – allowing someone or a group to be lead down a path of anxiety, fear & anger with misinformation (and not my interpretation of which) OR having someone like me who brazenly questions those “beliefs” in a clearly unabashed manner?

            My wake-up tone is intentional. I could change it but why, to not offend those who live in a vicarious world & seeming enjoy the taking down of others? If you’ll notice, things don’t take a turn for the worse, like-minded individuals do. I don’t criticize fears, I question the reasoning behind such.

            I grew up in & through a situation that would make ChefBear’s Panama experience seem like a day at Disneyland – really, no bull$h1t. I’ve seen & experienced what altered truth can do and got to the other side of a horrible 10 year gauntlet & was very lucky or blessed depending upon your point of view.

            We live in a day and age where people are starting to become more petrified which is turning into anger all based upon the uncertainty that’s being created & mean that exactly – created.

            Example of creating something from nothing: a man wakes up one day with a tremendous pain in his lower back. Does some Internet research, chat room discussions etc. and determines he has colon cancer. The pains are now aligning with those symptoms and he is feeling worse & worse.

            He finally sees his doctor feeling like he is at deaths doorstep & looks it too. The doctor does a few simple tests and discovers the pain was caused from constipation. So, what was it real? What was it true?

            The point to the analogy is when things become uncertain step back & use common sense, consider the source(s) for decision-making & look around as if life is actually good & to see if that truth is so, not the opposite.

            America, with all of its glaring faults is still – by far, the best country on the planet so, why spit in he face? Why not embrace that which made her great and address solutions from that point of view?

            I coined a phrase years back “believing is seeing” because I found that people (in general) want to believe in any kind of leadership so badly that in its absence, they will believe whomever steps up to the microphone and speaks.

            During the Obama campaign, Howard Stern took all of McCain’s beliefs that were exactly contrary to Obama, went into the predominately black & intellectually average parts of New York City to those who were already predisposed to Obama. He read McCain’s beliefs stating they were Obama’s and received 100% agreement that Obama was the man!

            All things are relative – even to a blog level. What’s true is true, life is a complete gift and should be treated as such IMHO and to sit by and watch people getting influenced by spineless cyber bullies tearing down others should be intolerable.

            I will apologize to all those who took offence to my manner of administering that message.

          • Ranger Man March 6, 2011, 12:23 pm

            I like you, Jason – really, I do; and I agree with you on the making mountains out of molehills idea. But the delivery of your comments/disagreements continually result in leading the discussion toward the gutter. You may call it your “wake-up tone” but it’s often interpreted as disrespectful, condescending and snarky. I’m not the only one that feels this way.

            Of course, we’ve had this discussion before – more than once. This is the last time I’m bringing it up, so don’t be surprised if your ability to comment here disappears again. I don’t have time for this.

            In the meantime, rationalprepper.com, moderateprepper.com and snarkysurvivalist.com are all available domain names. You should consider registering one and building your own blog. I’ll write a guest post if you do.

            RM

          • Anonymous March 6, 2011, 1:38 pm

            so despite looking for and finding a forum where like minded people can rationally discuss and share common thoughts, concerns and beliefs – but unfortunately not without “someone” who frequently posts under multiple names in an attempt to argue, persuade, and build artificial support for their minority viewpoint on a forum that they do not believe in but frequent anyway – obviously in need of some sort of treatment – while apparently being appointed by god to “save” everyone else from their own misguided beliefs and instead adopt his… kinda like that crazy person who stands outside someplace like a mcdonald’s and chastise and yells at any who assert their freedom of choice to eat there (or wear fur, eat meat, or whatever other view they hold)

            sadly, it seems every forum has some troll in residence like this which is very unfortunate as it is very off putting, at least to me it is; the concept of letting people having their own point of view is apparently too conflicting and threatening to these trolls own deep held beliefs to allow live and let live, so they feel the need to attack anyone with a view opposite their own – sounds like the mainstream media actually…

            i’ve decided to go and start frequenting beanie baby forums and trying to convince people of the error of their ways – since i don’t believe in collecting beanie babies. what’s that? hold on the tv is telling me something…

            i do enjoy this blog, thanks for the efforts of rangerman and jarhead for giving people a place to share their views.

            good luck to all, be safe.

          • Anonymous March 6, 2011, 4:56 pm

            Very cute, thank you. Do they still make Beanie Babies?

            Maybe you didn’t notice the multiple names I use as humor all had the same dice logo for transparency & as an identifier.

          • Prepared N.D. March 6, 2011, 3:53 pm

            Jason –

            If you need someone to write “the sky is falling” comments on your blog to keep it fair and balanced, I’m willing to dedicate a few minutes of my time each day to make that happen.

            Consider it a blogwarming gift :-)

          • Anonymous March 8, 2011, 6:01 am

            ranger man,

            i could not remember the term the other day – been going over the contents of my mind until i could remember – but i found what some suffer from that cause such friction (no really – this is not a joke)

            it is called “normalcy bias”

            it is real, it has been studied, it is a fact, and not made up… i suggest anyone who feels they are that smaller percentage of us who notice things are getting worse google this and then feel better knowing we can “see” dangerous situations and pre-compute a response because of how our brain works – compared to the greater then 70% of mankind who suffer from normalcy bias.

            the ones who suffer from normalcy bias – their brains just cannot compute anything like this concept. it is based on that most basic of instinct of fight or flight – essentially the largest percentage of animals (humans included) just freeze up as their brains way of protection to a dangerous/traumatic situation. where the smaller percentages (say approx) 10% fight and 20% flight.

            i think it would be a GREAT topic for a main post on your blog – in fact i wish all prepper/survival type blogs would do main posts on it as it can help both sides to understand the opposite sides of the viewpoint.

            it is very clear that a couple readers of your blog suffers from normalcy bias, this could prove educational to many.

            good luck to all, keep assessing your situation.

          • Jason March 10, 2011, 1:40 pm

             Normalcy Bias would be an interesting topic although I believe your suggestion is to disprove people like me & provide validation for your motivation to hunker down which, could be an excellent intellectual exercise.  

            It is a very complex subject that can be applied to specific, predictable events like Katrina but to more global events where there are many variables, it would be nealy impossible to apply because those events are far too fluid. 

             
                

        • Jarhead Survivor March 6, 2011, 8:27 am

          Hmm, apparently I was wrong.

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          • irishdutchuncle March 7, 2011, 11:10 am

            jason does actually have a point there: believing is seeing. otherwise, how else can any two people living on the same planet, in the same era, view the same phenomena, and still draw such starkly different conclusions about it? I’m certainly guilty of this myself. i advocate for some unusual ideas myself… but, sometimes you just have to give it a rest. if you refuse, you become just another troll. i don’t want to be just another troll. of course, YMMV. (but understand; being a persistent troll is evidence of a much deeper pathology)

          • Doctor 111 trillion March 7, 2011, 7:28 pm

            I think Jason’s hillarios. People don their tin foil and he calls them on it. I’m a survivalist… but even for me their’s the believable and then there are the ideas that are so far in the outfield whoever hit them has got an instant home run. The arguments are funny and most of the time both he and whoever he’s argueing with get their steam out. No one gets phisicaly hurt so… no harm no foul. Besides there IS the ocasional nut that needs to be brought back to reality

          • Anonymous March 7, 2011, 8:20 pm

            Irish,

            Excellent point, well taken, thank you. I may be slow on the uptake at times but think I may have finally gotten the definition of troll as it applies to blogs.

            Never thought of myself as one, just had difficulty seeing people getting themselves in a panic about what I considered to be nothing worse than what we’ve experienced before in a relative sense and as aptly demonstrated, I speak up.

            I stumbled upon the survivalist blogs about a year and a half ago looking for the “Jeremiah Johnson” type information & mindsets in order to become better educated at being more self-sufficient. I was absolutely dumb struck as to how much anxiety (not so much here) & how fragile the responders were & how deeply invested they were into the whole TEOTWAWKI notion – a sect I never knew existed.

            I have tremendous inside knowledge & experience with the banking industry – primarily the default side & see huge problems but they are working themselves out, much to my complete & utter disbelief. Yet, the predominant belief of the survival sites is economic disaster.

            Is all well? Who in the hell knows – it’s certainly different, but I do know that all of the bitching, complaining & worry makes no difference whatsoever other than to add undue stress to the individual.

            Lastly, I do agree with your assessment of a persistent troll providing they are outside of logic & reason i.e. irrational. (Just trying to leave myself a backdoor … maybe part of that same pathology??!!!)

            Again thank you for the input.

          • Jason March 8, 2011, 8:57 am

            IrishDutchUncle & Doctor 111 Trillion,

            There is a critically acclaimed movie called “Collapse” that has an excellent summary in this link:

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_(film)

            What is most revealing is the quote from film maker Chris Smith:

            Smith himself, speaking at the Toronto International Film Festival premiere, said that “What I hoped to reveal was … that his obsession with the collapse of industrial civilization has led to the collapse of his life. In the end, it is a character study about his obsession.”

            Further you’ll find the following:

            The bulk of the film presents Ruppert making an array of predictions including social unrest, violence, population dislocation and governmental collapses in the United States and throughout the world. He draws on the same news reports and data available to any Internet user, but he applies a unique interpretation — “connecting the dots” as he calls it.

            Read the entire Wikipedia – it is fascinating & I’d be quite interested your thoughts.

          • Ranger Man March 8, 2011, 9:58 am

            Tune in next when I review – Collapse!

          • Doctor 111 Trillion March 8, 2011, 10:26 pm

            Ruppert is the prime example of a prepper gone wrong. It looks like he got himself into the world of survivalism and eventually became convinced that the world was about to explode ( peak oil, civil unrest, ect… ). That poor man even got a movie dedicated to his interpretations. THAT is what Jason is trying to prevent and I appreciate it. He might have his own original way of letting you know that your getting close to being able to buddy up with Rupert; but, if Jason gets on your ass like he did Anonymous, than just play his game. I’m sure he speaks without animosity and means no harm. Just toss a couple jokes back and wave good bye to your good pal Ruppert.

          • Jason March 8, 2011, 11:06 pm

            I’m sure the film makers point was more global in thinking rather than just a story about Rupert’s delusional life otherwise, the movie would be fairly boring and have little impact which is more my point – lemmings marching towards the imaginary abyss.

    • noisynick March 6, 2011, 7:20 am

      Only 2% of the nations population are farmers which raise most of the food produced in the country. If folks from the city migrate to the country they will certainly Kill, Eat , or Destroy most of the infratructure. Farmers unable to protect vast areas will only grow what they can use perhaps a little more. Most of agriculture is vertically integrated meaning its run like wal-mart it runs from the back of the truck. Few farmers save seed they just buy new every year. same with fuel few have 10000 gal diesel tanks to carry them from one season to the next. Or any of the things it takes to make modern Ag. work.

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  • Joerocker March 5, 2011, 10:10 pm

    This is a good topic to be thinking about and I can appreciate blogs like this.
    We store water and food, and arms and ammo to protect our family.
    I would like a solar gen. set but can’t afford it yet
    gold and silver are up, dollar is crashing and our CONgress is guilty of treason on the American people.
    and yes, I have a real nice tin foil hat.

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  • Just for Jason March 6, 2011, 1:34 pm

    The first problem with Jason is in his posted response and that is that he thinks people are being “Lead” somewhere to begin with. In that, we reveal a lot about Jason. By his statements and attitude, I suspect he is fairly young(mid 20s maybe) and the style with which he speaks nad some of the language he uses indicates that he is an Average individual and likley the product of the dumbed down masses that follow the Liberal brainwashed system of education in our country. They basicly rewrite history and twist things around to show or prove what they want to without actual fact. For instance, the propagandized media, proports that is “insane”for people to think that our govt attacked itself on 9/11 despite a huge amount of evidence that they at least had some part in it. History tells us that this has happened before, remember the MAINE? That is just one we know about oh yea, Gulf of Tonkin ring any bells. HE is the DEFINITION of SHEEP. He belives what ever the box on the wall tells him and takes it as gospel without question. My guess is that he is an athiest or person who is non christian or not a person of faith. He feels compelled to come on here and tell us all how stupid we are for being prepared when the govt will protect us all and take care of us(oh yea, KATRINA?) he likley doesnt follow any non-mainstream news even though they have a much stronger track record of truth in reporting and accuracy, he, like most others will dismiss them as conspracy theory or some such even though they show facts and track records that indicate what they report. My suspician is that he is likely a member of the armed forces or a govt agency whos job it is to troll the boards and blogs and get a feel for what is really going on the country(unfetered voices) and then harass, heckle and agitate people to cause disent or confusion. He likely uses a multitude of screen names and hits lots of different pages to cause problems and likely spread disinformation and misinformation and in some case may even try to encite people into doing things that they shouldnt. The Army has a entire unit that does nothing but this type of acctivity today and the Intel agencies have had them for years. Just a lil insite in the form a simple profile of JASON from what he says and how he says it.

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    • Jason March 6, 2011, 7:59 pm

      How can I argue with this?

      Besides, everybody knows Donald Trump orchestrated 9/11.

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  • Jack Fallin March 7, 2011, 4:00 pm

    My biggest fear is that we are slowly traveling toward the big disaster and everyone is waiting for the big event that will trigger a collapse and we won’t see it coming. If you wake up one morning and there is no power, no TV, no radio, no internet, Zombies are in your yard, and asteroid has landed out back, a tidal wave is coming over the mountain and it is raining firery rocks, we might get it but a slow creep to disaster gives us no incentive to realy get going on our preps. I sometimes think it would be easier if we went to be with everything fine and then woke up to disaster at least we would know. If you keep up with world events and try to understand what is happening around you , the bunker mentality makes sense but I still must go to work, as long as it exists. My wife must work, as long as her bank is open. I have to pay my house payments and I have to live day to day. Prepping is important to me and I take it seriously but sometimes I think that it is to the point where may be I should be using my storage instead of adding to it. I have taken the approach as long as I have a job and my wife has a job, we continue to prepare, I am 60 years old, tired and can see all kinds of reasons to crawl into a bunker with my family and pull the roof over my head but living everyday is the real test. We must never quit, Preparing for the worst is never easy, but if it were, then everyone would be doing it. Stay tuned in to your world, pay attention, some signs of disaster are obvious and some are not. Doing everything in a couple of days will be impossible so start, work at it and be vigilant. YOu will know what you need to do when you need to do it. Educate yourself and your family and then live each day as if tommorrow may not come and if it does , great, you have made another milestone. Life is hard, but it is good if you try. Lead your family, follow the rules and get out of the way of the fools.
    Semper Fi.

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  • Anonymous March 7, 2011, 5:58 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhdPrA0b1UM

    “We need to add to the Constitution the right to a family to have a decent home.”

    “We need to add to the Constitution the right to medical care.”

    “We need to add to the Constitution the right to a decent education for every America. (including providing every student with an iPOD and a Laptop!)”

    Can you guess what state? yeah… D-Illinois, 2nd District.

    for those who doubt the end of our once great country is near – how can we ever survive this type of entitlement mindset by people (and the people that vote for them) that will make little to no effort towards their own good or benefit – but instead demand others who do work and make effort provide it for them.

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  • irishdutchuncle March 9, 2011, 10:46 am

    in response to the Jason comment of March 8. (see above) i am not obsessed about this. i’m an armchair/hobby survivalist, and don’t plan to go any farther off the deep end, in this or any other activity. i just make a few preps here and there so as to be “self insured”, in the face of likely upheavals. that is what any prudent man with a family should do. i don’t care to debate this.

    if my great-grandparents didn’t all know hunger, or oppression themselves, in Ireland, they all would have seen the results of it first hand. anti-cathtolicism in this country was still strong well into my lifetime. i will do my best to make sure that we’re always in a position to give charity, as opposed to ever needing it. i do not need to be rational about this.

    you don’t believe, we’re on the eve of distruction… i get it.
    on the other hand, my parents grew up during the great depression. my family has gone for days without heat and power before. we have fled in advance of hurricanes. i even have a few memories of the cuban missile crisis. my fears are not totally groundless. i’m making the conscious choice to be pro-active to real dangers. (not worried)

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    • Jason March 10, 2011, 1:14 pm

      Very well put, thank you. 

      I do not think we are on the eve of destruction that’s obvious but do believe we are going to go through some radical shifts in lifestyle. 

      What has become idolized over the past 50 years is crumbling before our eyes – as a whole, that insatiable appetite to keep up with the Joneses, pointless spending from the morphed consumer based  society has finally been called on the carpet for what it is – an illusion. That exposure has created a void & we are left scratching our heads saying, what now?

      The natural tendency is to make associations of historical events and extrapolate those to predict future events. The only problem is we have substantial advances in technologies – unlike anything the world has EVER experienced in such a short period of time that change that equation. 

      My thinking is to not look in the rear view mirror for answers but to look at the present influences & understand the possibilities that exist will come from outside our static thinking & view – in other words, remain fluid, prudent & keep your eyes off of that which causes you to freeze up & or panic.

      My big bugaboo is when people try to convince others that the end is at hand based upon the evaporation of the aforementioned past illusion. While seeming logical, it completely discounts the technological advances & advances in human resiliance & intelligence. 

      Lastly, look around – the world is flat & we appear to be moving towards merging trends.          

      Vote for Jason for President in 2012 – ha, ha.

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